Watch Now: Morano V. Bill Nye Climate Debate on Fox With Stossel – Nye Cites ‘Hockey Stick’ as Proof – Says Politicians can fix potholes & the climate – Morano denounces as ‘medieval witchcraft’ – Full Transcript
Stossel’s ‘Chill Out’ program with John Stossel on Fox Business – First Broadcast January 23, 2014: Bill Nye the Science Guy, who says he is “frantic” about climate change debates skeptic Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com. (Note: Morano and Nye also debated on CNN in 2012. Also see Morano debating on UN TV in Nov. and his debate on CNN in Dec. 2013 as well as his January 2014 Fox News appearance on cold and AGW)
Watch Full Nye Debate Below:
Full Transcript Below – But first, selected enhanced transcripts with weblink references.
Bill Nye on how politicians can fix potholes, time red lights and fix the climate:
STOSSEL: This idea that politicians can fix the climate strikes me as arrogance. And I think we heard arrogance six years ago from our president after he defeated Hillary Clinton.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.
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STOSSEL: Bill, isn’t this the conceit of the self-anointed, politicians are going to fix the climate?
NYE: By way of example, is it conceit when politicians claim they’re going to fix potholes in the street?
STOSSEL: No, they can do that.
NYE: It is conceit when politicians say they’re going to time the traffic lights?
STOSSEL: No, they can do that.
MORANO: No, they can do that.
NYE: Is it conceit when politicians — is it conceit when politicians say they’re going to clean up the water in Chesapeake Bay?
NYE: Is that inappropriate? Those — those things have been done.
MORANO: Those are doable.
NYE: This is the same thing on a much, much larger scale.
Nye fails to recognize 1990 UN IPCC temperature graph showing medieval warm period as warmer than today:
STOSSEL: And if you look, over time, we have a graph here from just the year 1000 to today, we had the Medieval warm period, we had the Little Ice Age, big changes.
NYE: You’ve really, uh, you’ve really messed with the far right hand side of the graph.
MORANO: That’s the United Nations graph from 1990, pre-hockey stick…
MORANO: — before they reinvented past temperatures.
Morano vs. Nye on Development in Africa, Asia, & South America
MORANO: I interviewed Jerry Brown, who said that they couldn’t emulate American lifestyle. Well, who is he? How is the white, wealthy Western Europe world, in Europe and the United States, going to tell people of color, 1.3 billion in the developing world, they can’t have what we have? Who is Bill Nye to tell [the developing word] they can’t have carbon-based energy?’
NYE: ‘We don’t want to have less. We want to do more with less. And this is where the innovations come in.’
Morano on politicized science and growing number of skeptical scientists:
MORANO: ‘The head of UN IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri, just came out last year or the year before and said their mission is to make the case that CO2 is driving global warming. They put the cart before the horse. And what happened was many U.N. scientists have now turned on it. Lennart Bengtsson, a Swedish scientist, has just come out and said we wouldn’t even have noticed the warming of the 20th century if it weren’t for modern instrumentation. And the idea of the hockey stick that Bill Nye mentioned is absurd. That has been called, quote, “statistical rubbish,” unquote. And hundreds of scientists in dozens and dozens of studies have shown both the Medieval and the Roman warming period. And these appeared in peer-reviewed journals, were as warm or warmer than current temperatures.
Skeptical scientists’ numbers have grown. We’ve had scientists like James Lovelock, who — the inventor of the Gaia Earth Theory, who’s reversed himself. It comes down to hundreds of factors are influencing our climate here. CO2 is not the tail that wagged the dog. Another scientist who has essentially reversed herself is Judith Curry from Georgia Institute of Technology. She now says openly that you cannot control climate by reducing emissions. And that seems to be the entire premise of the United Nations, that somehow, if we tweak emissions through carbon taxes, cap and trade, we can alter weather patterns. You opened up with tornadoes and Barbara Boxer. She actually went down to the Senate floor the day of tornadoes and implied a carbon tax would help prevent future tornado outbreaks. This is Medieval witchcraft.
Nye smears skeptical scientists as akin to tobacco industry:
NYE: ‘This is perfectly analogous to the cigarette industry and cancer, trying to introduce the idea that since you can’t prove any one thing, the whole thing is in — is in doubt.’
MORANO: ‘For Nye to bring up cigarettes – it’s the global warming scientists who are the ones fulfilling a narrative. I mean we have Michael Oppenheimer, one of the lead U.N. scientists, took an endowment from Barbra Streisand. Hollywood – he’s the climatologists to the stars. It’s so insulting to imply that somehow skeptical scientists are on the pay like tobacco companies. It’s the height of arrogance when you look at the actual data, the global warming scientists, through government grants, foundations, through media empowerment, have the full advantages of government money, foundation money, university money. There’s not even any comparison.’ [Related Links: Michael Mann lawyers up with Tobacco Lawyers! Represented by experienced defamation lawyer John B. Williams who successfully represented R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company – Mann’s lawyer ‘successfully defended R.J. Reynolds in commercial speech case filed by FTC challenging cartoon character, Joe Camel’ & Flashback: Warmists’ mimic tobacco industry tactics: ‘Like tobacco industry, Warmists’ manufactured uncertainty & fear by stridently proclaiming certainty & consensus based on dubious & uncertain modeled results predicting disastrous consequences of a warmer climate’]
STOSSEL: As a consumer reporter, I’ve covered 1,000 scares. Lawn chemicals, cell phone radiation, pesticide residues, plastic bottles killing people, power lines, Mad Cow Disease was going to kill everybody. And always the example is, yes, there were doubters about cigarettes. I mean that one example doesn’t mean that the global warming scare is correct.’
NYE: In the year 1750, there were about a billion humans in the world. Now, there are well over seven — seven billion people in the world. It more than doubled in my lifetime. So all these people trying to live the way we live in the developed world is filling the atmosphere with a great deal more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases than existed a couple of centuries ago.
Morano: ‘Bill keeps going on about overpopulation. The problem is, is that people now recognizing one of the biggest problems is under population. As the developing world gets more and more carbon-based energy, India and Africa, and starts developing, the population is going to level off. So the hysteria has been there. You can go back…
NYE: So we disagree about the facts, Mr. Morano.
MORANO: You can’t disagree about facts.
NYE: The problem…
NYE: — and the problem is not just that there are more people in India and China, it’s they are using more energy than they ever used to use.
MORANO: And God bless them. They need that.
Full Transcript below:
January 23, 2014 Thursday
SHOW: STOSSEL 9:00 PM EST
BYLINE: John Stossel
GUESTS: Phil Valentine, Alex Epstein, Marc Morano, Bill Nye, Robert Engelman, Bill Bissett, Mark Nelson
SECTION: NEWS; Financial
LENGTH: 7553 words
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not just cold, this is a killer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this isn’t climate change, then what is it?
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: As an American, I am here to say we need to act.
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JOHN STOSSEL, HOST (voice-over): All dramatic weather is our fault.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my god.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Terrible tornadoes in Oklahoma. Horrible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that this is because of the burning of fossil fuels.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Carbon could cost us the planet.
STOSSEL: It makes me want to ask Al Gore about that, but where is he?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He’s out at one of his other houses.
STOSSEL: Whether Gore is right about global warming didn’t matter, you already pay for his remedy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, they’re declaring war, truly, on jobs.
STOSSEL: Who will win this war?
UNIDENTIFIED CHILDREN: It’s a happy ending.
STOSSEL: We’ll search for that. That’s our show tonight.
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ANNOUNCER: And now, John Stossel.
STOSSEL: I titled this program, “Chill out,” because after I researched the global warming scare that was my conclusion. We ought to just chill out. But our government isn’t chilling out. You now pay billions to try to fix global warming. And this year, “The Hill,” the Washington newspaper that covers Congress, said climate will be the political battle of 2014. Big money is being spent to convince Americans to vote to spend even more to try to stop global warming. In a moment, we’ll hear from Bill Nye, “The Science Guy,” who says he’s frantic about climate change. He’ll debate Marc Morano of climatedepot.com. But first, let me set the terms of debate. People say to me, Stossel, you don’t believe in global warming? But I do. I think it’s a stupid question, because what do you mean when you say global warming? To me, it’s really four questions.
One, is the globe warming? Well, yes. Global temperatures have risen, though not lately so much. Question two, is the warming manmade, is it our fault? Three, is it a crisis?
And four, if it is, can we do anything about it? Bill Nye’s answers to those questions are yes, yes, yes and yes. And for years, he’s told his viewers, beware of…
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BILL NYE, “THE SCIENCE GUY”: — what we call global warming. Global warming.
The globe is getting too warm. It’s something we’ve got to be careful of. Otherwise, things could get weird.
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STOSSEL: Bill Nye joins us now, along with climate change skeptic, Marc Morano. Marc, you first. Why aren’t you scared? Bill and lots of people are.
MARC MORANO, FOUNDER, CLIMATE DEPOT: We’re now able to empirically look at their predictions that they made in the ’80s and start to see them fail. And out of 117 climate models, one analysis showed 114 failed. So when the predictions are failing them, uh, they still claim it’s worse than they thought. But that’s not the case here. So the bottom line is, the burden of proof is on them and they’ve failed to make the case.
STOSSEL: Bill Nye?
NYE: In the year 1750, there were about a billion humans in the world. Now, there are well over seven — seven billion people in the world. It more than doubled in my lifetime. So all these people trying to live the way we live in the developed world is filling the atmosphere with a great deal more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases than existed a couple of centuries ago. It’s the speed at which it is changing that is going to be troublesome for so many, uh, large populations of humans around the world. Now, you may have heard of the hockey stick graph. This is where, uh, we compare the temperature of the world over the last 10,000 years with the temperature now. And so we think of that, uh, as the…