Media falsely spins Trump’s NYT climate comments – Trump cited Climategate, restated skepticism of ‘global warming’ – Read full transcript


By: - Climate DepotNovember 23, 2016 9:40 AM with 1631 comments

Climate Depot Analysis

The media spin on President Elect Donald J. Trump’s sit down with the New York Times on November 22, can only be described as dishonest. Trump appears to soften stance on climate change & Donald Trump backflips on climate change  & Trump on climate change in major U-turn

The ‘fake news’ that Trump had somehow moderated or changed his “global warming” views was not supported by the full transcript of the meeting.

Heartland Institute President Joe Bast had this to say about the full transcript of Trump’s meeting: “This is reassuring. The Left wants to drive wedges between Trump and his base by spinning anything he says as “retreating from campaign promises.” But expressing nuance and avoiding confrontation with determined foes who buy ink by the barrel is not retreating.” The Heartland Institute released their skeptical 2015 climate report featuring 4,000 peer-reviewed articles debunking the UN IPCC claims.

Trump’s climate science view that there is “some connectivity” between humans and climate is squarely a skeptical climate view. Trump explained, “There is some, something. It depends on how much.”

Trump’s views are shared by prominent skeptical scientists. University of London professor emeritus Philip Stott has said: “The fundamental point has always been this. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically selected factor (CO2) is as misguided as it gets.” “It’s scientific nonsense,” Stott added. Stott is featured in new skeptical climate change documentary Climate Hustle.

Scientists at the UN climate summit in Marrakech commended Trump’s climate views. See: Skeptical scientists crash UN climate summit, praise Trump for ‘bringing science back again’

Trump also told resident NYT warmist Tom Friedman: ‘A lot of smart people disagree with you’ on climate change. (Note: Friedman has some wacky views: Flashback 2009: NYT’s Tom Friedman lauds China’s eco-policies: ‘One party can just impose politically difficult but critically important policies needed to move a society forward’)

Once again, Trump was 100% accurate as very prominent scientists are bailing out of the so-called climate “consensus.”

Renowned Princeton Physicist Freeman Dyson: ‘I’m 100% Democrat and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on climate issue, and the Republicans took the right side’

Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist Dr. Ivar Giaever, Who Endorsed Obama Now Says Prez. is ‘Ridiculous’ & ‘Dead Wrong’ on ‘Global Warming’

Green Guru James Lovelock reverses belief in ‘global warming’: Now says ‘I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy’ – Condemns green movement: ‘It’s a religion really, It’s totally unscientific’

Politically Left Scientist Dissents – Calls President Obama ‘delusional’ on global warming

Trump correctly cited the  Climategate scandal: “They say they have science on one side but then they also have those horrible emails that were sent between scientists…Terrible. Where they got caught, you know, so you see that and you say, what’s this all about.” See: Watch & Read: 7th anniversary of Climategate – The UN Top Scientists Exposed

Trump cited his uncle, a skeptical MIT scientist: “My uncle was for 35 years a professor at M.I.T. He was a great engineer, scientist. He was a great guy. And he was … a long time ago, he had feelings — this was a long time ago — he had feelings on this subject.” (Yes, other MIT scientists are very skeptical as well. See: MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen Mocks 97% Consensus: ‘It is propaganda’

It is also worth noting that Trump’s often cited 2012 tweet about climate change stating “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive,” was clearly a joke and he has said it was a joke. It is further worth noting that climate skeptics do not believe the conecpt of “climate change” was “created” by China.

The media have created a cartoon-version view of Trump’s climate views.  If he says anything short of global warming is a hoax created by the Chinese, then the media claims Trump flip-flopped.

Trump countered: ‘We’ve had storms always, Arthur.’

Trump is accurately citing the latest climate science by noting that extreme weather is not getting worse. See: 2016 ‘State of the Climate Report’

  • The U.S. has had no Category 3 or larger hurricane make landfall since 2005 – the longest spell since the Civil War.
  • Strong F3 or larger tornadoes have been in decline since the 1970s.
  • Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century, with recent deceleration.
  • Droughts and floods are neither historically unusual nor caused by mankind, and there is no evidence we are currently having any unusual weather.

Trump’s claim to have an “open mind” on U.S. climate policy and his comment that “I’m going to take a look at” withdrawing from the UN Paris agreement are more nuanced than his previous blunt statements that the U.S. will cancel the UN agreement. But those comments in the context of the interview are hardly a flip-flop or major signal of changing views on the issue.

(Climate Depot Note: UN Paris climate deal ‘is likely to be history’s most expensive treaty’ – ‘Cost of between $1 trillion and $2 trillion annually’ & see: NY Mag: ‘The Climate Summit of Money’ at the UN – ‘It will cost sixteen & a half trillion dollars for world to meet its collective Paris goals)

http://www.thegwpf.com/donald-trump-on-climategate-the-paris-agrement/

Donald Trump’s New York Times Interview

President-elect Donald J. Trump during a meeting at The New York Times’s offices in Manhattan on Tuesday.

[….] THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, opinion columnist: Mr. President-elect, can I ask a question? One of the issues that you actually were very careful not to speak about during the campaign, and haven’t spoken about yet, is one very near and dear to my heart, the whole issue of climate change, the Paris agreement, how you’ll approach it. You own some of the most beautiful links golf courses in the world …

[laughter, cross talk]

TRUMP: [laughing] I read your article. Some will be even better because actually like Doral is a little bit off … so it’ll be perfect. [inaudible] He doesn’t say that. He just says that the ones that are near the water will be gone, but Doral will be in great shape. (Note: Trump’s Seawall Is About His Business, Not Global Warming – ‘Only shows Trump uses climate alarmism to benefit his business’)

[laughter]

FRIEDMAN: But it’s really important to me, and I think to a lot of our readers, to know where you’re going to go with this. I don’t think anyone objects to, you know, doing all forms of energy. But are you going to take America out of the world’s lead of confronting climate change?

TRUMP: I’m looking at it very closely, Tom. I’ll tell you what. I have an open mind to it. We’re going to look very carefully. It’s one issue that’s interesting because there are few things where there’s more division than climate change. You don’t tend to hear this, but there are people on the other side of that issue who are, think, don’t even …

SULZBERGER: We do hear it.

FRIEDMAN: I was on ‘Squawk Box’ with Joe Kernen this morning, so I got an earful of it.

[laughter]

TRUMP: Joe is one of them. But a lot of smart people disagree with you. I have a very open mind. And I’m going to study a lot of the things that happened on it and we’re going to look at it very carefully. But I have an open mind.

SULZBERGER: Well, since we’re living on an island, sir, I want to thank you for having an open mind. We saw what these storms are now doing, right? We’ve seen it personally. Straight up.

FRIEDMAN: But you have an open mind on this?

TRUMP: I do have an open mind. And we’ve had storms always, Arthur.

SULZBERGER: Not like this (sic!).

TRUMP: You know the hottest day ever was in 1890-something, 98. You know, you can make lots of cases for different views. I have a totally open mind. (Note: EPA Says That The Worst Heat Waves Occurred in The 1930s)

My uncle was for 35 years a professor at M.I.T. He was a great engineer, scientist. He was a great guy. And he was … a long time ago, he had feelings — this was a long time ago — he had feelings on this subject. It’s a very complex subject. I’m not sure anybody is ever going to really know. I know we have, they say they have science on one side but then they also have those horrible emails that were sent between the scientists. Where was that, in Geneva or wherever five years ago? Terrible. Where they got caught, you know, so you see that and you say, what’s this all about. I absolutely have an open mind. I will tell you this: Clean air is vitally important. Clean water, crystal clean water is vitally important. Safety is vitally important.

And you know, you mentioned a lot of the courses. I have some great, great, very successful golf courses. I’ve received so many environmental awards for the way I’ve done, you know. I’ve done a tremendous amount of work where I’ve received tremendous numbers. Sometimes I’ll say I’m actually an environmentalist and people will smile in some cases and other people that know me understand that’s true. Open mind.

JAMES BENNET, editorial page editor: When you say an open mind, you mean you’re just not sure whether human activity causes climate change? Do you think human activity is or isn’t connected?

TRUMP: I think right now … well, I think there is some connectivity. There is some, something. It depends on how much. It also depends on how much it’s going to cost our companies. You have to understand, our companies are noncompetitive right now.

They’re really largely noncompetitive. About four weeks ago, I started adding a certain little sentence into a lot of my speeches, that we’ve lost 70,000 factories since W. Bush. 70,000. When I first looked at the number, I said: ‘That must be a typo. It can’t be 70, you can’t have 70,000, you wouldn’t think you have 70,000 factories here.’ And it wasn’t a typo, it’s right. We’ve lost 70,000 factories.

We’re not a competitive nation with other nations anymore. We have to make ourselves competitive. We’re not competitive for a lot of reasons.

That’s becoming more and more of the reason. Because a lot of these countries that we do business with, they make deals with our president, or whoever, and then they don’t adhere to the deals, you know that. And it’s much less expensive for their companies to produce products. So I’m going to be studying that very hard, and I think I have a very big voice in it. And I think my voice is listened to, especially by people that don’t believe in it. And we’ll let you know.

FRIEDMAN: I’d hate to see Royal Aberdeen underwater.

TRUMP: The North Sea, that could be, that’s a good one, right?

[…]

MICHAEL D. SHEAR, White House correspondent: Mr. Trump, Mike Shear. I cover the White House, covering your administration …

TRUMP: See ya there.

[laughter]

SHEAR: Just one quick clarification on the climate change, do you intend to, as you said, pull out of the Paris Climate

TRUMP: I’m going to take a look at it.

Full interview

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Trump wins U.S. Presidency! Climate Skeptics Rejoice! Set to dismantle & Defund UN/EPA climate agenda!

Bjorn Lomborg: Trump’s climate plan might not be so bad after all – Clexit ‘will will stop the pursuit of an expensive dead end’ – ‘So Trump’s promise to dump Paris will matter very little to temperature rises, and it will stop the pursuit of an expensive dead end’

 ‘The Trump Taboo’ at UN climate summit: He is ‘omnipresent…even though nobody is saying his name’ – ‘There is a taboo word at this year’s 22nd UN climate change summit: Trump. The president-elect is omnipresent in Marrakesh. You can feel him lurking behind talks on low-carbon economies and in the cracks between climate-induced loss and damage. He’s never directly addressed, but he’s always in the room. You can tell from the anxiety in people’s voices and their disapproving headshakes, heavy with concern for what the future for action on climate change holds.’

Trump casts HUGE shadow over UN climate summit

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  • Sturgeon General

    liberal minds work different than humans

    • Liberty

      mental disorder

      • Dingo

        War is Peace.
        Freedom is Slavery.
        Ignorance is Science.

        • Old Hickory

          1984 is so perfect for this.

          • CB

            “1984 is so perfect for this.”

            lol!

            Do none of you have mirrors in your houses?

            “Marc Morano is the executive director and chief correspondent of ClimateDepot. com, a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Morano is also the Communications Director at CFACT, a conservative think-tank in Washington D.C. that has received funding from ExxonMobil, Chevron, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars from foundations associated with Richard Mellon Scaife.”

            http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Still crazy after all these years!

          • CB

            “Still crazy after all these years!”

            Are you suggesting Marc Morano isn’t funded by the companies causing global warming?

            …or are you still trying to direct messages to yourself through the internet instead of locating a mirror?

            “The primary cause of global warming is human activity, most significantly the burning of fossil fuels to drive cars, generate electricity, and operate our homes and businesses.”

            http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/global_warming_101

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Still quoting the Union of unConcerned Shysters, huh?

            Have you joined them, yet?

            As you know, the only requirement to join is a credit card. Just ask Kenji, their canine member.

            If you can’t afford the annual membership fee, they might cut you a break since you constantly spam comment threads with quotes from them. They could write you off as an Advertising Expense.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Still quoting the Union of [Concerned Scientists]”

            Yes.

            Sweetheart, are you saying Marc Morano isn’t funded by the companies causing global warming?

            I’ve asked you this once, you know…

            What’s wrong? Cat got your tongue?

            “Large sums of money have been spent on highly successful disinformation campaigns, capitalizing on the public’s reluctance to act on a slowly materializing threat and fully exploiting outliers among climate scientists who downplay the risks. Polls consistently show that more than 90% of climate scientists hold that CO₂-induced climate change is underway and presents serious risks”

            web.mit.edu/vpr/climate/MIT_Climate_Change_Conversation_Report_2015.pdf

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Are you saying the UCS is NOT a group of activists … who pretend to be scientists … whose only requirement to join is a credit card?

            Are you saying the UCS does NOT have a dues-paying member that is a dog?

            Are you saying the UCS is NOT the Union of unConcerned Shysters?

            I’ve asked you about this before … numerous times. Why are you ignoring these questions? Cat got your tongue?

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Are you saying the UCS is NOT a group of activists”

            I am not!

            Are you saying Mr. Morano isn’t funded by the companies he’s writing about?

            “Carbon dioxide (CO₂) is the primary greenhouse gas emitted through human activities… The main human activity that emits CO₂ is the combustion of fossil fuels”

            www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/co2.html

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            If you admit the UCS is just a bunch of activists, why would you dishonestly use them as a credible source to support your claims of CAGW?

            The same is true for the EPA … political appointees, activists and bureaucrats with no expertise in science. Also not a credible source for info on CAGW.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “If you admit the UCS is just a bunch of activists, why would you dishonestly use them as a credible source to support your claims of CAGW?”

            Your question assumes that which is not in evidence.

            If the fossil fuel industry isn’t paying Mr. Morano, who is?

            Are you actually too stupid to figure out a conflict of interest so obvious, Teabagger?

            “Exxon Knew about Climate Change almost 40 years ago”

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            More of “CB’s” faux science based on lies, half-truths, attempted character assassination, smears, innuendo, obscenities, name-calling, logical fallacies, made up stuff, fake stories like ‘Exxon Knew’ … in other words, everything except actual science.

            “CB” is the perfect representative for the faux science known as CAGW. “CB” has so little understanding of the planet that he told somebody the reason Antarctica wasn’t melting was because it’s at the bottom of the world, and faces away from the sun!!! Classic “CB.”

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “fake stories like ‘Exxon Knew'”

            …so Scientific American is making up the fact that ExxonMobil knew its product was warming the planet over four decades ago.

            If that’s so, link to a more reliable source of information, please.

            “Overlooked by modern researchers is the work of Eunice Foote, who, three years prior to the start of Tyndall’s laboratory research, conducted similar experiments on absorption of radiant energy by atmospheric gases, such as CO₂ and water vapor. The presentation of her report at a major scientific convention in 1856 was accompanied by speculation that even modest increases in the concentration of CO₂ could result in significant atmospheric warming.”

            http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2011/70092sorenson/ndx_sorenson.pdf

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Yes, Scientific American and anybody else involved in that ridiculous affair. You know it, too. Making stuff up, and repeating made up stuff … it’s what you do. It’s all you’ve got. We’ve watched you do it for years.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Scientific American and anybody else involved in that ridiculous affair.”

            LOL! The affair of several centuries of undefeated scientific understanding?

            If you think all scientists on Earth have been lying since the 1800’s, link to a more reliable source of information, please.

            …I’ve already asked you to do this once, sweetheart…

            “The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century”

            climate.nasa.gov/evidence

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            LOL! I’m not accusing ‘all scientists on Earth’ of lying. I’m accusing YOU of lying! Like that whopper you told about Antarctica being at the ‘bottom of the world and facing away from the sun.’ You’re just as ignorant, now, as you were back then. Sweetheart.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “I’m accusing YOU of lying!”

            Let’s see… clicking on the link I provided.

            Nope! No, it still says precisely what I claimed it said.

            If you think NASA and Scientific American and all the other researchers I’ve pointed you to are all lying, point to a better source of information, please.

            Why haven’t you done that, Geezer?

            “multiple data sources have confirmed that Antarctica is losing ice at an accelerating rate”

            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X15000564

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            all the other researchers I’ve pointed you to

            You mean like Union of unConcerned Shysters?

            https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVG5meFMqINQ_-79AuDamnG2IF4tTU_iNJWsRzxfJtiqxriHxryw

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            Okay, so that’s a meme pic of a polar bear.

            Are you an adult, Geezer?

            psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAprSepCurrent.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Humorous images are more useful … and ethical … than your endless posts of intentionally false and misleading information.

            Don’t be petulant.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Humorous images are more useful”

            To what end? Proving you’re a nitwit who doesn’t know what he’s talking about? If you think the scientists I’m pointing you to are false and misleading, point to a better source of information… or is a snapshot of a polar bear the very best you can do?

            psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAnomalyCurrentV2.1.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            My goodness! Are you still sulking?

            The fact that you would have to ask why humor is more useful than your tiresome efforts to mislead and misinform is enlightening, if unsurprising.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Are you still sulking?”

            lol! I don’t think so! Are you still running from defending your claims like a coward? If you think the scientists I’ve been pointing you to are lying, where are you getting your information, Geezer?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fdb450739dd94d1cbe61e6c829455c5931a1ac1eec95482b68c6c019c0a5c32a.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Keep playing your stupid word games, “CB,” and keep arguing with yourself. It’s highly entertaining for those of us who see right through you.

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “Keep playing your… word games”

            lol! It’s not a word game that you suggested scientists were “making stuff up”. That’s what you suggested… If you aren’t getting your information from scientists, where are you getting your information? It’s not actually that difficult of a question, sweetheart… :/

            http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/2016temperature.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            you suggested scientists were “making stuff up”.

            LOL! There you go again!

            Buttercup … I absolutely did NOT suggest that!

            I stated as an absolute fact … that some of them do, that you know they do, and that you spend hours every day of your pitiful existence perpetuating their faux science.

            Climate science has been corrupted beyond recognition by politics. But, not to worry … Hillary has been defeated, Obama is on his way out, and it’s a new day in America!

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • CB

            “I absolutely did NOT suggest that! I stated as an absolute fact”

            Okay, so where are you getting your information?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc1b625e352664e5d6d9fe4e2e4d65a86071918dce1f0f5235d527ce6b97201a.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Do you really think nobody here knows the game you’re playing?

            Still crazy after all these years.

          • david russell

            For sure CB is crazy as a loon. Pay her no heed.

      • Dafaddah

        It is, indeed, a mental disorder referred to as arrested geocentric development. It is an idiopathic psychological aberration where individuals become locked into the normal egocentric development stage.

        • MERIDUS

          If you are labeled a denier its 5 notches lower than child molester.

          • Dafaddah

            A denier is the same to a true believer as an apostate is to ISIS. Beheading is not as good as is being burnt to death in a cage but it’s better than nothing.

    • gmanchecksix

      LOL– that’s good…..

      • cdw

        Perhaps the liberal mind is operates only in the Amygdala portion.

    • Knox Schroeder

      I think you need to define “work”

  • jakartaman

    I hope Trump, Drudge and all the other Non – Ocommunist news outlets continue to beat the crap out of the Liberal MSM – and work hard to put them out of business.
    They are on life support now – Most thinking folks know how ideological and corrupt they are.

    • BigAl

      They are dying. Newspaper first, networks second. CNN is now a tiny fraction of Fox’s audience.. Facebook is now for old people and will be the next AOL. The young and cool have turned to micro-blogging.

      • KathyK

        It’s so bad that MSNBC now has a bigger audience than CNN.

    • John (magnum)
      • Paul Kersey

        WICKED – AWESOME ! ! ! ! Comment of the day ! ! ! !

      • jamcar

        Where should I send flowers?

        • Rising

          Down the toilet. The grave-site is somewhere down there.

      • ChimericalOne

        I appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism, but if you’ve ever seen “Carrie” the movie, I have a sneaking suspicion that they are just under the dirt a bit and will be back. (But a great post nonetheless.)

  • Bridgette

    Yes, Lefties, tell us about all the lies, and “adjustments” coming out of East Anglia, NASA, and NOAA?

    If you have the truth on your side, you don’t need to lie nor exaggerate. That is a fact.

    • BigAl

      The moment they began to falsify data, they ceased to be scientists and became propagandists in lab coats. The AGW fraud is a direct attack AGAINST science.

      • Dingo

        Saying something is science to the average person today is like saying it’s Gospel to an illiterate medieval peasant. They don’t understand it and have no way to verify it for themselves. But they BELIEVE in it with all their heart. That is the level of ignorance and superstition out there which is being exploited by the AGW crowd.

        • BigAl

          But the victory of Trump and the Brexit indicates that a critical mass of people no long accept the lies uncritically. Both were subjected to full-press media attacks and triumphed handily. The Puppet Media’s hold on the average person is slipping.

          • Gweilo66

            Many people understand this all to be similar in substance to the sale price promise of “up to 50% off!” But yes, younger folks who were raised from teething on this propaganda have a hard time letting Santa go. But if they apply the phrase “follow the money”, they might unlearn this crap.

          • BigAl

            One can only hope my round-eyed friend.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Old white republicans will soon be dead, and the world will be a better place for it.

          • Truth_in_Defense

            No…your criminal maxists and droggers and muslims …and you (as you clearly are admiting being an assassinator)…will soon be removed from America…and the world will be a better place for it.

          • Guest_User

            I don’t think you have to worry about him too much anymore. He’s sorta like a punctured helium balloon that jets off for 20 or 30 feet with the sound of flatulence; and, once spent, flops to the ground as a small piece or rubber or plastic, never to rise again.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            LOL. You are mentally ill Boy. Get yourself to a shrink and get diagnosed.

            Shouldn’t you be ending your mindless vitriol with the signature “Hail Trump”, “Hail victory”, “Hail the FatherLand”.

            You fascist’s never change.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59e2ff1d3cffe58d466a0cd31dac9549d808ead18bad9b7ef291d73ad57c8c42.jpg

          • Bill B

            Who’ll be around then to start a fire for you or change a flat tire. Can’t use a mobile device for either.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            No one. You and your family will be long dead.

            The fate of your family line is extinction. Your children will soon hate you and the willful ignorance you stand for.

            Do the world a favor and just snuff yourself now. You are worthless.

            By the way… What happened to that Pause in the warming that you scumbags had been lying about for the last quarter century?

            LOL!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

          • Rascal69

            Looks like it is headed in another direction….except for old white female politicians.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “another direction” – Rascal69

            You are right. Denialists have the direction of temperature change backwards.

            Even the satellite data (their preferred source), (shown below), indicates that.

            Dumbest people on Earth.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6bed92c85042115a88b7a5086f75ec1ec65c9ec4dfe44e7ccbee10abbdef1ac7.png

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Another hater who believes that climate began in 1979, that Hillary was under enemy fire in Bosnia, and that if he liked his doctor, he could keep his doctor.

            Hate and ignorance is strong in this one.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “Another hater who believes that climate began in 1979” – TeaBaggingGeezer

            Hay, moron. It’s the satellite record that goes back to 1979. You know, the temperature record that Losers like you insist upon using.

            The real temperature record goes back 10 million times longer, but of course there wasn’t any life on land until about a 470 million years ago. So we should really start there.

            Big numbers confuse you, don’t they, Old Geezer.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3056b116cb472f7579c50fbae0370c467a42b1517267047e53e647f7d0e638dc.gif

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Geez, how old are you?

            Science by playground chants, obscenities, denigrating elders … not to mention irrelevant and misleading graphs.

            Would that be the same satellite graphs that climate hysterics disowned while it showed no warming trend for over 18 years … until the most recent El Nino event? I notice YOUR graph stops in October 2015 … at the height of the El Nino! Whatsamatter … can’t find anything more recent?

            And what does that fake graph of imaginary future levels of CO2 supposed to prove … other than your gullibility?

            Being a complete jerk on the internet is not going to make your belief in CO2-made CAGW any more true, or even rational.

            We’re finally going to have a president who will put the breaks on this wealth-destroying, civilization-killing hypothesis long enough for some honest scientific debate … hopefully, by the grownups this time around.

            Time for your cookies and milk. Don’t forget to brush your teeth before you go to bed … soon!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Awwww. The poor old tea bagging geezer don’t like it when someone tells the truth.

            Awwww. Poor old man. Poor Stupid old man.

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Awww. Isn’t that cute? Little Vinnie found older brother’s crayon box and made a pretty picture! Meaningless … but, er … colorful.

            Maybe your mommy will let you hang it on the frig.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Meaningless only to the willfully ignorant, and those who have Alzheimers.

            Thanks for confirming your status Old man.

            Now put that gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. Put an end to your pathetic whining.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f048c6d9281e4ddbe2eb27f4d637b703893061447da17a971089723935ef334.gif .

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Poor little guy. Dying to use the word Alzheimer’s, but STILL can’t spell it, even after I showed him how. Tsk-tsk. You’re NEVER going to get into Science 101 at this rate.

            Just as well … you’d never pass the class, anyway. They don’t let you get away with cutting and pasting the answers on the quizzes.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Alzheimer’s https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f79ce46a6d4df3255cf898c11cb222c496e1b42fa995b185cdd3e5a8378761eb.png is foremost on the ever shrinking minds of Alzheimer’s patients like the TeaPartyGeezer.

            LOL!

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • Dingo

            Maybe there is hope that “trust me, I’m a scientist” and “no but I play one on TV” marketing campaigns are failing. And distrust of the media and loss of credibility are big steps forward for the truth.

          • BigAl

            If you read the sub-text of that marketing, it has all the hallmarks of coercive propaganda – something that Marxists excel at. The “scientific consensus” argument is a classic Appeal to Authority Fallacy, with overtones of peer pressure. The “climate denier” meme really is nothing more than a charge of Heresy, with implied Excommunication for failure to recant. This method was used in Maoist self-criticism session in re-education camps.

          • Johnny Doh

            Well said! However I will add, that mind control could be considered a science. So, …

          • BeanTown Benny

            Also, there are countless science research facilities that will support any hypothetical for huge sums of money. The NFL used one to frame Brady when actual science exonerated him. Goodell is currently employing several of these facilities to support his ludicrous argument that there is no connection between football and CTE’s or brain damage. Many times liberal colleges will fabricate data if the money is good enough. Science is just as rigged as Democratic electoral politics, fortunately we are seeing through their bullshit.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire..

            “Also, there are countless science research facilities that will support any hypothetical for huge sums of money.” – Bean town Fools=

            You are thinking about the right wing stink tanks that spend their days lying to you for money.

          • hmmathis

            Go away leftist troll.

          • Tobias J

            You are a tool for big oil and coal. While they destroy the planet you encourage them. Nice one!

          • Kevin Butterfield

            That Captain Planet propaganda really took a hold of you, didn’t it?

          • John D

            Wow. Tobias has really bought into the lie. What an idiot. He is too ignorant to realize oil and coal are much cleaner now then ever before. Coal has been used for centuries and oil for over 100 years
            .
            The amount of automobile pollution is minuscule per car.. Coal is cleaner then ever before Coal is 35% cleaner than in the 1970’s. Current and upcoming technology will make it even cleaner.
            Fools like him buy into the lie that solar and/or wind will replace oil and coal. Not in our lifetime. Should we continue research? Absolutely. The answer is a combination of energy products. But to stop oil and coal production is the most foolish idea ever.

          • Santiago 1314

            You SNOWFLAKEs are going to Melt in the “Trump Warming”

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Fossil fuels have helped increase the length of the human lifespan, while simultaneously improving all aspects of our lives. We stay warm in winter, cool in summer, safely store and prepare food with little effort, we go anywhere we want/need to go, light our homes and streets for safety, so much more, all at affordable prices, reliably and efficiently. If you can’t appreciate that, feel free to crawl back into the cave that seems to have spawned you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You really need to stop eating your own dung. Hmmmmathis.

          • John D

            You folks do realize you can block the troll, don’t you?

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Blocking someone doesn’t stop them from spewing. It just blocks their posts from your own view.

          • Glenn Festog

            As opposed to the Clintons Foundation where YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR? ROFLMAO

          • Steven

            I’m waiting for some passed off donors to the foundation to “ask” for their money back. Preferably with a hired gun

          • pablosodahead

            Donations are down 37 % thus far for the Clintons. With all their wealth, pensions for Sec. of State, US Senate, POTUS… and whatever else they will get from the government, including Social Security…..do you think they are in need of more ? How much is enough ? Like in Wall Street, how many boats, cars, houses, can you buy ?
            Those who gave will now want their restitution, otherwise (these people do not have laws like we have in the USA against harming people) they will find a way to retrieve it. Too bad;

          • Lokki

            Actually; they were down 37% from 2014 in -2105-; 2016 figures aren’t out yet. So why were they down nearly 40% in 2015? Odd, when she was a shoo-in to become President in 2016, don’t you think?

            Well, this is just a guess but the serious investigation into Hillary’s emails started in February 2015, however, that MUST be a coincidence.

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            It will be interesting to see how much longer the Clinton Foundation exists now that the Clintons no longer have anything to sell.

          • John D

            No. Not too bad. Good. Thieves and liars should be punished. And no one is more deserving of punishment then the Clintons.

          • Charles Purvis

            You gotta wonder what Mrs. Bill Clinton’s appointment book looks like now. How many Fortune 500 and Division I universities is she scheduled to “speak” (yell?) at now and collect $225,000 for 20 minutes?

            Ought to be plenty; if her experience was worth those kinds of bucks, she’s got even more now: The first woman candidate for President to get her butt thoroughly kicked.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Clinton Foundation” – Glenn Fisting’

            What about the Clinton Foundation. Every time the Republicans have investigated that charity they found it to be a legitimate and effective charitable foundation that does good work all over the world.

            You must be thinking about the Trump foundation that has been shown to be illegally paying Trump’s personal expenses.

          • Kangster

            Tell the truth. You’re 4 years old.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar… Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “You’re 4 years old.” – Kangster

            I would be the first 4 year old expert in high energy physics and computer programming.

            I have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar.

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          • socalpa

            And, yet another phony graft !

            Where did you get this one ? I suspect the same place you got your “degree” . U.of “skepticalscience” ? U.of De smog Blog ?

            Ho ! Ho ! Ho !

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • socalpa

            Phony “adjusted” last 50 years. Especially the last 20 … GISS based on NOAA (Karl) already refuted by Fyfe et al 2016 and currently under investigation by the Senate ..

            Odd that it shows temps increased rapidly for 200 years before CO2 significantly passed background, isn’t it ,little climate jihadi ?

          • Spike

            So tell us, how does it feel to know that all your trolling is about to be for nothing. And the real lie is about to be exposed the world over? I’m just trying to imagine what living a lie for so long and the reality that it’s all about to come crashing down soon feels like? It’s ok, reality is not that bad. You’ll adjust.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You pathetic losers have been saying that for the last 30 years.

            So far, the only thing you have managed to expose is your own pathetic impotence.

            The world is laughing at you, and no doubt your wife titters about you insufficiency, behind your back.

            LOL.. Poor, Small Hands Spike.

            Meanwhile it is now warmer than it has been at any time in the last 120,000 years.

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          • Spike

            oh the sound of desperation. Like a vicious criminal finally cornered by police on all sides. Nothing left but ugly verbal lashes that reveal just how vile and despiciable you are. I almost pitty you. Almost.
            More of us everyday know what this climate agenda is really all about. The more it comes out, the uglier you look.

          • Ira Moe

            Wow ! Look at evey one that agrees with you ! ^

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Look at ever one that agrees with you!” – Moe

            Said the uneducated chimpanzee.

            Meanwhile the globe continues to warm.

          • Charles Purvis

            Who gives a sh!t if the globe warms? There’s nothing the human race can do about it, regardless of how much tax money is blown on climate change foolishness.

            Quit worshiping climate change. If you must have a religion, try a real one.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Who gives a sh!t if the globe warms?” – Charles PureIgnorance

            Anyone who wishes to eat.

            A warming of 8’C is a human extinction level event.

            Short term warming is projected to be between 2.5 and 3’C over the next 100 or so years.

            Guaranteed heating of an additional 2.5 to 3’C is locked in at that point as the ocean has not reached temperature equilibrium with the atmosphere.

            That is 5 to 6’C of warming that is anticipated. More if no action is taken.

            8’C is a human extinction level event.

            Are you feeling lucky…. Ignorant Punk?

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          • setnaffa

            I am old enough that I can remember when we called “climate change” by another name. “Seasons.”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “I am old enough” – setnaffa

            You are so old that to you, decades seem like seasons.

            Fortunately advancements in medical care will soon prevent alzheimers.

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          • jerrys

            Concept of global warming is the Affirmative Action of Science!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Republicans often chat by throwing random words together. The combinations usually make no sense, but they provide them with irrational, emotional pleasure.

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yes, and you are dog food, because when I throw you into a cage filled with hungry dogs they will eat you.

            Well done dog food.

          • Ira Moe

            And you are goofier then a wooden watch.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You are spectacularly stupid.

          • Pam Dunn

            a moron spews its load of ignorance

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yup, a moron spews it’s load of ignorance. That’s you Grandma.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “a moron spews its load of ignorance.”

            Yous sentence isn’t capitalized, there is no period, you forgot the apostrophe, and you look like you smell of you own feces and urine.

            LOL! moron.. Is this you? LOL!

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          • Guest_User

            Drinkin’ again, ay Vendicar? Put down the Canadian Whiskey and sober up. It’ll do you and your liver a world of good.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Drinkin’ again, ay” – Guest

            I don’t do alcohol or any other drug.

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          • Cav Scout 145

            You are one naive, ganglion mass of protoplasm without a centralized nucleus aren’t you. Back on your head in the corner your liberal masters allow you to be in. Back to your dull uninteresting life.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “mass of protoplasm” – Cav

            Do you intend to be an ignorant child for the rest of your life?

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Climate scientists are paid through government funding. The federal government is a bottomless pit for funding of government agendas. They can create money out of thin air.

            Private funding is limited by their bottom line and by shareholders. ‘Right wing think tanks’ operate on a shoe-string budget when compared to government funding of left wing organizations which include universities and government agencies.

            You have no idea how foolish you sound when spewing your ignorant drivel.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Climate scientists are paid through government funding” – TeaBaggingGeezer.

            So are the nation’s roads, Medicare, Medicaid, virtually all medical research, the Police, national defense,the courts, the supreme court, national safety standards, national health standards, national quality standards, national efficiency standards, automotive safety standards, border protection, schools, jails, prisons, etc. Etc ETC…

            When are you going to stop taking insulin, because government scientists invented it?

            When are you going to stop taking your high blood pressure medication because government research produced it?

            When are you going to start demanding that the earth is flat because government scientists and satellites have proved that it is a sphere?

            Stupid.. Stupid… Stupid old geezer.

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Wow. I think you just broke a world record for number of logical fallacies in one comment!

            Grow up. Grow a brain. Learn to argue facts and logic. Learn to stay on topic.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Perhaps I should rephrase to compensate for your Alzhemers.

            “Climate scientists are paid through government funding” – TeaBaggingGeezer.

            So are the nation’s roads, Medicare, Medicaid, virtually all medical research, the Police, national defense,the courts, the supreme court, national safety standards, national health standards, national quality standards, national efficiency standards, automotive safety standards, border protection, schools, jails, prisons, etc. Etc ETC…

            When are you going to stop taking insulin, because government scientists invented it?

            When are you going to stop taking your high blood pressure medication because government research produced it?

            When are you going to start demanding that the earth is flat because government scientists and satellites have proved that it is a sphere?

            Stupid.. Stupid… Stupid old geezer.

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Perhaps you should learn how to spell Alzheimer’s before you copy and paste another of your lame repetitive posts.

            May I suggest that, in addition to a class in Remedial Spelling, you also take one in Critical Thinking? After you conquer those two subjects, you can approach someone about teaching you the basics of science. If you ever get that far (dubious), junior colleges also offer Debate classes. It’s an exciting world of learning out there … all you have to do, junior, is ask for help.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You aren’t worth the effort, Scumbag.

            When are you going to put that gun in your worthless mouth. I don’t have all day.

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            You wouldn’t be making the effort for me. The effort to educate yourself would benefit YOU!

            But, you’re not interested in bettering yourself. Who’da thunk it?

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • TeaPartyGeezer

            More repetition of empty rhetoric?

            Your must be a bot … with a short in your circuitry.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Facts always need to be repeated to Alzheimer patients.

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Uh huh.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            It is good that you finally agree with reason.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Private funding is limited by their bottom line and by shareholders” – TeaBaggingGeezer

            Is that why the U.S. banking industry almost imploded the global economy as well as the U.S. economy?

            Because the share holders wanted it?

            LOL.

            Stupid.. Stupid.. Stupid old man.

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            I’m just going to use your favorite technique and copy-paste my last reply…

            Wow. I think you just broke a world record for number of logical fallacies in one comment!

            Grow up. Grow a brain. Learn to argue facts and logic. Learn to stay on topic.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Private funding is limited by their bottom line and by shareholders” – TeaBaggingGeezer

            Is that why the U.S. banking industry almost imploded the global economy as well as the U.S. economy?

            Because the share holders wanted it?

            LOL.

            Stupid.. Stupid.. Stupid old man.

          • TeaPartyGeezer

            It took you 5 days to simply repeat your last comment?

            Silly little liberal!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Is there nothing too trivial that you fascist scumbags won’t whine, bitch, and moan about it?

            Just kill yourself. You are worthless.

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            If you don’t want to be called out on your repetitive and trivial junk, then stop posting repetitive and trivial junk!

            Eezy Peezy!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Whaaaaaaa.. Whaaaaaaa…. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.” – TeaBagging Geezer.

            Is there nothing too trivial that you fascist scumbags won’t whine, bitch, and moan about it?

            Just kill yourself. You are worthless.

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          • TeaPartyGeezer

            Cretin.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Awww. The stupid old man don’t like the truth. He can’t stomach reality.

            Pathetic Loser.

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • Ira Moe

            That I DO agree with ! NOAA is paid to find possibilities to theories NOT prove them.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “possibilities to theories” – Ira Moe.

            LOL!

            You can’t even write a coherent sentence. But you tinks yooz is smadter dan all of dem worlds Sciencie guys.

            Hahahahahahahah.. You Fuc*ing worthless Retard.

          • Ira Moe

            For being and “Eglander” you sure don’t understand the language. ( yes EGLANDER!)

          • Ira Moe

            You still haven’t explained why the “warming” isn’t the worst its ever been. So many years ago it was worse! That is stated by everyone from Jill Stein to Al Gore. And as for your moronic CO2 comments every volcanic irruption pumps 10x more CO2 into the atmosphere then man has ever created . Read a book BOZO!

          • BigAl

            Spot on. The “hockey stick” turned out to be a pancake. Hide the Decline only exposed the fraud. They can’t even show correlation now, much less causation.

          • Kangster

            It becomes blatantly obvious when every crisis leads to the same conclusion: give more money and power to politicians and bureaucrats.

          • BigAl

            Funny isn’t it? Corrupt politicians paying for infomercials to scare people into sending them money. Kind of like televangelists. So is Obama Jimmy Swaggert or Oral Roberts?

          • Kangster

            I’m pretty sure he’s Oral Something.

          • BigAl

            You are a bad person. I’d like to buy you a drink sometime. lol

          • John C

            LOL, you beat me to it.

          • pablosodahead

            Oral, and his brother, anal.

          • Bob

            You won the Internet today!

          • Ira Moe

            hahaha

          • aamericanovice

            Oral Roberts I’d say.

          • Charles Purvis

            More like Billy Sol Estes.

          • lloydc1234

            Be careful. Your conservative evangelical friends like Jimmy and Oral.

          • John D

            Maybe yours do. Mine think they are frauds.

          • ScottPM

            Much much worse than televangelists.

          • acers2

            Thanks for the smile. Looks like everyone beat me to it this morning. 🙂

          • Santiago 1314

            “Never let a Good Crisis Go to Waste”; Rahmbo

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “We need to manufacture an (economic) crisis in order to assure that there are no alternatives to a smaller government.” – Jeb Bush Impress Magazine 1995.

            LOL!

          • Santiago 1314

            Jeb Who???

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Libertarian Jeb Bush.

            You know. The brother of the traitor George who lied America into committing war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          • Charles Purvis

            Including the most recent one, in England, I think, to tax food in the name of climate change, formerly known as global warming, formerly known as global cooling.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Charles Purvis. He can’t get anything straight. I blame his low IQ.

          • Ira Moe

            “YOU” are slamming someone else’s IQ?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yours isn’t much better.

            You are clearly inferior.

          • Ira Moe

            BHAHAHAHAHA!! Charles has it absolutely correct ! Maybe you low IQ won’t allow you to remember that far back in 1977 the world was all worried about the coming ice age, then theses same idiots that said that fooled all the simple minds again by saying “Oh no, we had it backwards” when THEY themselves are backwards as are all those that believe them.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Back in 1977, children and clowns were worried about global cooling.

            The worlds scientific community was predicting warming.

            You don’t know that because you are a willfully ignorant farm animal.

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          • Spike

            Yes, the Hockey Sticky was instead Horse Hockey.

          • Santiago 1314

            “HOcKEY ScHITick”

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • VendicarDecarian0

            Which one? There are now a few dozen in the scientific literature. All are computed using different methods and by different scientists.

            LOL!.. Still laughing at American Deplorables.

          • Spike

            I’m laughing at the hockey stick trump is about to beat the climate fascists with. I hate to laugh at the gullible fools who don’t understand that This climate agenda is Trojan Horse that is being used destroy our Republic and replace it with a New World order run by elitest. I feel sad for their ignorance

          • Ira Moe

            . . . . .and science still changes. So at what point is science correct?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            And yet all of those hockey sticks show the same thing in kind.

            So which hockey stick are you referring to?

            There are now a few dozen in the scientific literature. All are computed using different methods and by different scientists.

            LOL!.. Still laughing at American Deplorables.

          • Ira Moe

            Please be smart enough to answer the correct person with these idiotic, nonsensical answers of yours. It looks like you want to send this to Spike.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            And yet all of those hockey sticks show the same thing in kind.

            So which hockey stick are you referring to?

            There are now a few dozen in the scientific literature. All are computed using different methods and by different scientists.

            LOL!.. Still laughing at American Deplorables.

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • VendicarDecarian0

            “and science still changes.” – Ira Moe Retard

            Yup, and mathematics changes too, so you have an excuse for not knowing that 1 + 1 = 2.

            You are of course a low grade MORON.

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          • TheDudeofVoo
          • socalpa

            “There are now a few dozen in the scientific literature” .

            All refuted by the recent scientific literature .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “All refuted.” – Socalpa the liar.

            Can you provide any links to any refutation in the scientific literature?

            Nope. You are just a common liar.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            ”… contains collation errors, unjustifiable truncation or extrapolation of source data, obsolete data, geographical location errors, incorrect calculation of principal components and other quality control defects.”

            McIntyre, Stephen, and Ross McKitrick 2003. “Corrections to the Mann et. al. (1998) proxy data base and northern hemispheric average temperature series.” Energy & environment

            http://www.multi-science.co.uk/mcintyre-mckitrick.pdf

            ”Their method, when tested on persistent [trendless] red noise, nearly always produces a hockey stick shaped first principal component…”

            ”… the transformation translates the ‘‘shaft’’ [of the hockey stick] off a zero mean; the magnitude of the residuals along the shaft is increased, and the series variance, which grows with the square of each residual, gets inflated. Since PC algorithms choose weights that maximize variance, the method re-allocates variance, so that hockey-stick shaped series get overweighted. In effect, the MBH98 data transformation results in the PC algorithm mining the data for hockey-stick patterns.”

            ”The simulations [involving the input of persistent, trendless, red noise] nearly always yielded [principal components, PC1s] with a hockey-stick shape, some of which bore a quite remarkable similarity to the actual MBH98 temperature reconstruction”

            ”Indeed, the effect of the transformation is so strong that a hockey-stick shaped [principal components, PC1] is nearly always generated from (trendless) red noise”

            McIntyre, Stephen, and Ross McKitrick 2005. “Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance.” Geophysical research letters

            http://academic.evergreen.edu/z/zita/teaching/CClittell/readings/Jan24_McIntyre%20and%20McKitrick%202004.pdf

            ”The Sheep Mountain series, ca534, is the top-weighted series in the MBH98 NOAMER PC11 receiving 390 times the weight of the least-weighted series.”

            ”The pulse in bristlecone pine growth is contemporaneous with a pulse in woody plant growth throughout the American Southwest, attributed to overgrazing by sheep in the late 19th Century”

            McIntyre, Stephen, and Ross McKitrick 2005. “The M&M critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere climate index: Update and implications.” Energy & Environment

            http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimberley/EnviroPol/EnviroPhilo/MAndM.pdf

            …and, of course, climate gate:

            ”At 10:03 PM 6/5/2003 -0600, Tom Wigley wrote:

            Mike,

            … Let me tell you a story. A few years back, my son Erik did a tree ring science fair project using trees behind NCAR. He found that widths correlated with both temp and precip. However, temp and precip also correlate. There is much other evidence that it is precip that is the driver, and that the temp/width correlation arises via the temp/precip correlation. Interestingly, the temp correlations are much more ephemeral, so the complexities conspire to make this linkage non stationary. I have not seen any papers in the literature demonstrating this — but, as you point out

            Mike, it is a crucial issue.

            Tom.” http://www.ecowho.com/foia.php?file=0682.txt

          • LINER011

            A travesty that they cannot account for the lack of warming.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            What lack of warming, Kook Boy? 2016 is the warmest year on record. A full 0.1’C warmer than last year.

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          • George Orwell

            It was warmer in the 15th century than it is now dum-dum.

            But thanks for playing “Who’s a Gullible Fool?”.

          • Tobias J

            You do realise no other attribution other than humans has ever gained credence.

          • Charles Purvis

            Because you can’t tax any source other than humans.

          • John D

            Bingo.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nature is already being taxed through resource consumption and destruction.

          • John D

            Oh? So the sun has no affect? Moron. Please tell me you are not a scientist.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Correct. It’s known to be caused by CO2 emissions since it was first predicted and the results accurately computed by Lord Kelvin in the mid 1800’s.

          • Charles Purvis

            Or, on the CO2 vs. Temp graph, they’ve never proven which is the dependent variable.

            How can you trust the science of people whose income depends upon producing the foregone conclusion of zealots?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Temp graph, they’ve never proven” – Charles PureRock.

            Nothing can be proven to a sack of doorknobs. Especially the deplorable ones.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd0d08b86c69cea7091e034ec1225e220be96cee921c46ac1813b14f8840e0e8.png

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “they’ve never proven which is the dependent variable.” – Charles PureIgnorance

            Actually Lord Kelvin did that in the mid 1800’s.

            Where have you been? Your knowledge of the world is pre 1850.

            LOL! Pathetic.

            By the way? What happened to that Pause, that you Denialist had been lying about for the last 25 years?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d0abcdc7381f0203162bb30823853eed9d6b06e0f580fb6f6a7d90dbfc7f67e.png

          • ScottPM

            They couldn’t show correlation before. The data show that AFTER the Earth warms (a little bit), then you get an increase in CO2 (again a little bit). Which seems logical. Cold winters kill lots of animals, so after warmer weather there’s an increase. But it’s not CC and then we get a cold winter and it goes back down.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “AFTER the Earth warms (a little bit)” – ScottPM.

            LOL. You gots i all figuren outd don’t ya boy.

            Yer shood writes Yerself a paper and subit it to you English Teacher so that sheed can share in the laughter at your non-science nonsense.

            LOL!

            http://www.livescience.com/56774-global-warming-natural-vs-manmade-causes-compared-by-nasa-video.html

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “They couldn’t show correlation before.” – ScottPM

            If two variables move in the same direction at the same time, then there is positive correlation.

            Clearly, you don’t know what the term “Correlation” means.

            Note the strong correlation between global temp (above), and CO2 levels (below) in the following graph.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e00d2006c7f5d0b4db14bba8413353f744aa0b24cea7d0653c9f02ff525a8112.png

          • ScottPM

            And once again a liberal misses the point. CO2 increase is after the Earth warms hence can’t be a cause.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, it magically appears from outer space. Beamed here by the very same space aliens that have been rectally probing Kook Conservatives for decades.

            The isotopic ratio of the Carbon entering the atmosphere, indicates that it isn’t Carbon from the biosphere. It is old carbon from the lithosphere.

            And equally importantly if it was being released by the biosphere or near biosphere (ocean), then where is the CO2 that is being dumped into the atmosphere through burning coal and oil going?

            Are the moon men stealing it?

            LOL. You better start splaining dere Kook boy.
            Put yer lying cap on and start yer nonsense engine. You gots yerself some more lying to figure.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59e2ff1d3cffe58d466a0cd31dac9549d808ead18bad9b7ef291d73ad57c8c42.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Hockey stick turned out to be a pancake.” – BigAsshole

            LOL Really? Not on this planet…. What planet are you from? The planet of profane ignorance? LOL

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3056b116cb472f7579c50fbae0370c467a42b1517267047e53e647f7d0e638dc.gif

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The “hockey stick” turned out to be a pancake.” – BigCircleJerkAl

            Which hockey stick? There are at least a couple dozen of them now in the scientific literature.

            LOL.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The “hockey stick” turned out to be a pancake.” – Lying Scumbag Big Al

            Where is this “pancake”. I don’t see it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3056b116cb472f7579c50fbae0370c467a42b1517267047e53e647f7d0e638dc.gif

          • TheDudeofVoo

            You put too much faith into the “ice core” data.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec7335fba625acf7f8f84d2f3f512dab3f90e67c44df110d42461ef0776287f9.jpg
            Earth has been past 400 ppmv just recently … you don’t even have to leave the Holocene.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            Again, you myopically genuflect to the “ice core” data, and ignore other data:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3329cc7c3ee65889a36211da536ac62d799aec3bd028410ea6d941a4b31ddd42.jpg You don’t even have to leave the Holocene!

          • Zach Martin

            Yeah, regarding Brady, still trying to see where my math is wrong. I use those formulas in my job nearly every day and get it right, but the NFL’s labs are somehow better?

          • John D

            The NFL is corrupt. Goodall should be fired.

          • John D

            Excellent point. Science (at least in the US) has bee corrupt for some time. The gov gives large sums of money to universities and colleges to do research. Unfortunately the siren call of cash encourages some scientists to cook the books to come up with the research results that the sponsors want. Otherwise, the grants go some where else.
            There is a LOT of bad science out there. See the web site “Junk Science”. It will make you lose confidence in science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yup, Appealing to authority is wrong, and that is why you get your medical advice from the guy who collects your garbage.

            You don’t no experts to tell you what their expert opinion.

          • Glenn Festog

            O yeah, the Holy Medical Grail; with over 100,000 preventable deaths a year, just here in the US. Now battlefield medicine they can handle (trauma, shock, bloodloss, etc.), but treatment for disease? Garbage collector might be a better choice, if he’s studied the effects of nutrition on health more than the 4 to 6 weeks taught to doctors over 7 years.

            Correct me if I’m wrong but, wasn’t it fairly recently that they discovered that 70% of our immune system is in the bowels? Maybe that’s why vaccines only half-a$$ work when they do at all. Especially the Flu vaccines, whose sole value is enriching the coffers of Big Pharma.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “100,000 preventable deaths a year” – Glenn Fisting.

            You are right. Americans would be much better off without medical care or doctors.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c443b25bc5c38f6e0893428fe55dcd880a1b004216bea005ac3f6e3e081dd763.jpg

          • Glenn Festog

            Expert – former drip under pressure

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Glenn Fisting. Never an expert at anything, except whining, and bitching.

          • Vendicar Decarian

            Glenn Fisting – Never an expert at anything.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Glenn Fisting – Never an expert at anything.

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • Kangster

            Yo momma!

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • VendicarDecarian0
          • Guest_User

            When you’re between mixing drinks, you can tell everyone how smart you are.

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • TheAntiProgressive

            They do love their terms.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “terms” – Regressive

            Couldn’t have science without them

          • Dingo

            Indeed. None of those is a remotely scientific argument. Experimental proof for AGW is completely lacking and the zealots have deliberately corrupted the data. It’s a lot more the like methodology the Left uses to steal elections than any type of scientific inquiry.

          • BigAl

            It has many characteristics of a corrupt religion. You have original sin (industry) for which you can buy indulgences (carbon credits). There is the heresy I mentioned before (denial) and a media Inquisition to suppress heretics.

          • Kangster

            No one expects the Climate Inquisition!

          • BigAl

            After this election it’s time for the Left to “bring out your dead.”

          • Santiago 1314

            Pretty soon They’ll be Demanding “A Shrubbery.!!!”…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Demanding A Shrubbery” – Santiago

            And a real president rather than a clown car loser.

          • CB

            “And a real president rather than a clown car loser.”

            lol!

            I would settle for a halfway decent pack of liars.

            A parade of North Korean happy-clapping vote-bots and the ridiculous pile of keyboard diarrhea above is worse than pathetic. Way to not earn that salary, Morano…

            “Marc Morano is the executive director and chief correspondent of ClimateDepot. com, a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Morano is also the Communications Director at CFACT, a conservative think-tank in Washington D.C. that has received funding from ExxonMobil, Chevron, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars from foundations associated with Richard Mellon Scaife. According to 2011 IRS Forms, Morano was the highest paid staff member with a salary of $150,000 per year. Morano’s blog Climate Depot regularly publishes articles questioning man-made global warming.”

            http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano

          • Gallilao

            We love Donald Trump and when he’s finished, you better get your lifejacket on.

          • CB

            “We love Donald Trump”

            Why would you love someone who lies to you?

            Do you think that’s healthy?

            “Donald Trump Is a Pathological Liar.”

            http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/donald-trump-pathological-liar-its-time-stop-tiptoeing-around

          • Gallilao

            You are a pathological liar but that doesn’t stop you.

          • CB

            “You are a pathological liar”

            Maybe!

            …or maybe you’re talking to yourself in public again.

            That would make a lot of sense if you love people who are lying to you… wouldn’t it?

            One would have to be mentally ill in order to engage in these odd behaviours, wouldn’t one?

            “Trump acknowledges climate change — at his golf course. The billionaire, who called global warming a hoax, warns of its dire effects in his company’s application to build a sea wall.”

            http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436

          • Gallilao

            You really are going off the deep end CB. Your paranoia is making you dither. But that is alright. Just keep in mind that it is getting hotter and hotter out there and we are going to be producing a lot more CO2 in the future.

          • CB

            “Your paranoia is making you dither.”

            What am I “paranoid” of, Mr. Lao?

            “2015 was the warmest year since modern record-keeping began in 1880, according to a new analysis by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.”

            http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-noaa-analyses-reveal-record-shattering-global-warm-temperatures-in-2015

          • Gallilao

            Oh no, My mistake. You are just being prudent not paranoid.

            And you are right, it is getting hotter and hotter out there and soon all that ice is going to melt and I hope you have your lifejacket on.

            You should be very,very worried!

          • CB

            “it is getting hotter and hotter out there and soon all that ice is going to melt”

            It is getting hotter, I agree! …and the ice has been melting for quite a long time now.

            psc.apl.uw.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/BPIOMASIceVolumeAprSepCurrent.png

          • Gallilao

            Boy that’s scary!

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            During the campaign Trump told Republican suckers that he was going to build a big, tall, beautiful wall along the U.S. Mexican border.

            He isn’t even president and has turned his back on that promise. Now he is talking about building as little fence in some places along the border.

            He said that Mexico would pay for it. Now he says that the American tax payer will pay for it.

            The world is laughing at the American Republican Dupes who fell for Trumps obvious long litany of lies.

          • david russell

            So Trump has tamped down some of the loony things he said on the campaign.

            I’m impressed with him, but not with you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Trump lied to you, and since you are yourself a congenital liar, you see him as one of your kind of filth.

            Filth supports Filth.

            Trump hasn’t finished lying to you. And you will never be finished with being the ultimate fool.

          • david russell

            You seem totally deranged, nasty and creepy. Kindly annoy someone else.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Cutting and running away from reality is a perpetual Republican trait.

          • david russell

            Reality is a chimera. Human reality is that we must act in the face of uncertainty. There is no Democrat reality or Republican reality.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            Soory, the Americans picked fool and a liar.
            …over a criminal.

          • CB

            “The world is laughing at the American Republican Dupes who fell for Trumps obvious long litany of lies.”

            It would be more humorous if so much weren’t at stake.

            Facts need to matter for democracy to function, and to Republican voters, facts now don’t seem to matter at all.

            That’s a problem.

            “Yes, Donald Trump did call climate change a Chinese hoax”

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/03/hillary-clinton/yes-donald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h

          • Gallilao

            Come on CB, you have no way to tell what the “facts” are. By tour own admission, you are ignorant of all things scientific. You wouldn’t know a “fact”, if you even understood what it was.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Facts need to matter for democracy to function, and to Republican voters, facts now don’t seem to matter at all.” – CB

            Facts haven’t mattered to Republicans for the last 35 years.

            The Republican aide (Carl Rove) said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” – Ron Suskind

            Americans have allowed this Republican boil to fester for 35 years. Now the infection is fatal. You have only yourselves to blame.

            You are right about the failure of Democracy where facts are ignored.

            You might note that American Democracy is increasingly a spectacular failure.

          • CB

            “You might note that American Democracy is increasingly a spectacular failure.”

            Without a doubt the method by which democracy functions in America has failed in this particular instance. Democracy, itself, seems to still be working though:

            “Hillary Clinton’s Popular Vote Lead Increases to More Than Two Million Votes”

            blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/28/hillary-clintons-popular-vote-lead-increases-to-more-than-two-million-votes

            I would suggest American democracy really might need serious changes in order to persevere; perhaps mandatory voting, perhaps the elimination of the electoral college, and perhaps an open, ranked-choice primary system which winnows down the general election to the top 2 vote-getters.

            We will see if any sort of democracy at all can survive the next 4 years, should the electoral college fail to appoint the person the American people chose to be president.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            There is no change you can make to the U.S. electoral system that will make American electorate any less the ignorant fools that they are.

            And as long as they are fools, America will continue to be a spectacular failure.

          • CB

            “There is no change you can make to the U.S. electoral system that will make American electorate any less the ignorant fools that they are.”

            It is without a doubt foolishness. I’m not sure if it counts as ignorance, though… For example, is it possible there are actually people out there who aren’t aware Marc Morano is a paid liar? Is it really ignorance that explains that?

            I say no.

            I say these people know what they believe is a lie, and they just don’t care. The 25% of eligible voters who actually voted for the con artist-elect are suffering from a very serious mental disorder which affects every society on Earth. It is in no way limited to the citizens of the USA. It affected Germany in the 30’s, it affected Russia during the revolution, and it’s affecting any number of Western European nations right now, from the French National Front to the Golden Dawn.

            Democracy can defeat these religious zealots, and actually has in this case! They are always a minority, out of necessity. A society where a majority of people become unmoored from reality would collapse. In this case, slightly more than 25% of eligible voters selected a reality-based candidate to lead the country, and fifty percent of eligible voters simply sat on their hands. Without the ridiculous electoral college or in a system where dropouts were legally compelled to cast a vote, I believe we would have competent leadership right now. I’m not giving up on democracy just yet.

          • Bridgette

            So how horrible must his opponent have been?

            And don’t forget, many people that voted for Trump also voted for Obama.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Republicans have been lying about the Clintons for the last 35 years.

            The American people have become so stupid that they believe those lies.

            Morons.. Morons.. Morons…

          • Bridgette

            Reasonable people believe. You, on the other hand, are delusional and in denial. The Clintons are scum, always have been, always will be.

            And you’re a Useful Idiot.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            MUDD: I lied.

            NORMAN: What?

            KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie.

            MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying.

            NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain.

            (Smoke comes out of Norman’s head.)

            NORMAN: You are human. Only humans can explain their behaviour. Please explain.

            KIRK: I am not programmed to respond in that area.

            (Norman goes blank.)

            SPOCK: I believe they are all immobilised, Captain.

            KIRK: Good.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            LOL.

            Norman was a logical being.

            That can not be said about the American Voter.

          • Santiago 1314

            Norman was a MACHINE, Not a Being.!!!..Are u Playing with a Full Deck.???…Astrophysicist.??? and you Don’t Know “Star Trek”.!?!?!?… Good thing Your Not Running the Universe.!!!

          • Santiago 1314

            “She Turned Me Into A Newt,!!!…It Got Better.!?!?”…Just like the Weather will…Leave it alone…Used to be Ice “Age” in L.A…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Newt” – Sandiago.

            Please. No more quotes from Republicans. We are laughing enough about there idiocy already.

          • Santiago 1314

            For Someone who Pretends to know so much about, “The Meaning Of Life”. you know NOTHING about Monty Python..Get a Real Life, you SnowFlake, Before you Melt away. like the rest of the Looney Left

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The meaning of life is 42.

            Everybody knows that.

          • Santiago 1314

            More like 420, For a Pot Head Snowflake like you…Google “The Galaxy Song”, from “The Meaning of Life” …See how Significant you are then.!!!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            My primary scientific training is in astrophysics, you MORON.

            I don’t need your silly song to know how big the universe is.

            But you clearly do.

          • Santiago 1314

            And Yet, You give us “42”, as your Comeback…At Least you might have some sense of Humor…Which came 1st.??..The Chicken or The Universe.???…Or do you Believe, we are Just some, “Self-Replicating DNA”… That Defines Your view on “The Meaning of Life”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Of course. 42 is the only possible answer, other than -1/12.

            Silly questions are what you get when you allow a universe full of hydrogen to evolve and produce naked apes.

          • jmac

            🙂

          • TheDudeofVoo

            …and everything.

            42 Which is ASCII for * , the wildcard character … essentially, it means match everything. So, the ultimate answer, is “everything”.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d20ce36a8f12de898e2d2ccea372ac04cf2147a6a56ddb051a28442f755310ed.jpg

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • TheDudeofVoo
          • Taluca Lake

            Unfortunately, we’d need two identical solar systems. I checked. We don’t have another one. Consequently, all the results regarding man’s contribution to gw are anecdotal at best

          • John D

            Anecdotal? More like bald face lies.

          • Taluca Lake

            Good fix.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            If you think physics is bald faced lies, then why don’t you write a paper and show it. Have it peer reviewed and published.

            If you had the capacity to do that, then you would be instantly famous and even win a Nobel.

            But nope. You can do nothing but whine and complain that the science doesn’t agree with your world view.

            Awwwwwwwwwwwww.. You Poor Moron.

            I feel for you. I really do.

            LOL!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The funny thing about science, is that it actually allows you to figure out how things work.

            http://www.livescience.com/56774-global-warming-natural-vs-manmade-causes-compared-by-nasa-video.html

            You find that very confusing don’t you?

          • Ira Moe

            HAHAHA yes science once said the world was flat ! Then science changed. (it always changes)

          • Ira Moe

            so if it always changes it is never right.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Define “right”. LOL!

            My goodness you are a moron.

            What happened to that “Pause” you scumbags have been lying about for the last quarter of a century?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

          • socalpa

            “Pause ” ?

            You mean the “hiatus” identified by IPCC lead authors like Dr. John Fyfe in Nature Climate Change ,Sept 2013 , Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years ?

            Those “scumbags” ?

            Ho ! Ho ! Ho !

            Get ready ,little climate jihadi , La Nina is coming ..another year and the “hiatus” turns 20 !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Dr. John Fyfe was a fool.

            But he wasn’t as much of a fool as you are.

            So where is the Pause that denialists have been lying about for the last quarter of a century?

            I don’t see it.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ec3bfe6e94069ebf9eb2f946a00318817fbfcac17abbb0b38bcb83cbb47ce47.png

          • socalpa

            “You don’t see it” ? Of course not !

            Your graft “adjusted” the temperature record to remove it !

            No one is fooled ,climate jihadi .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Dr. John Fyfe” – scoalpa

            Dr. John Fyfe has never claimed that there was any hiatus. In fact his claim is simply that the rate of warming over the period from 1998 to 2014 or so was not as rapid as it had been earlier.

            LOL. You couldn’t even get that right.

            You lying Scumbag.

          • socalpa

            Vendicar writes;
            “Dr. John Fyfe has never claimed that there was any hiatus”

            Oh ? Excerpt from Overestimated global warming ; where Fyfe showed temps went from 1/2 the forecast rise after 1992, to zero trend after 1998 .

            “The inconsistency between observed and simulated global warming is even more striking for temperature trends computed over the past fifteen years (1998–2012). For this period, the observed trend of 0.05 ± 0.08 °C per decade is more than four times smaller than the average simulated trend of 0.21 ± 0.03 °C per decade (Fig. 1b). It is worth noting that the observed trend over this period — not significantly different from ZERO* — suggests a temporary HIATUS*’ in global warming2–4”.

            * emphasis mine .

          • Ira Moe

            Suppose that chart is correct. I have no problem with that. However, you “window lickers” cannot prove that this is caused by anything. The temperature has been cyclical since the beginning of time. It is so funny listening to you window lickers say things like ” it is the biggest temperature change in 5 thousand years. Well what caused the larger change before that ??? I’m waiting you to tell me the cars they had back then were far worse then today for pollution. . . . . . . just STUPID.

          • Ira Moe

            PS. Have you slapped your parents yet?

          • VendicarDecarian0
          • Ira Moe

            It has nothing to do with me. It has a LOT to do with you !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            What do I have to do with you being a moron?

            Are you trying to say that relative to your peers you are intelligent.

            What does that say about your peers?

            LOL…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Is that why the world is laughing at scientifically illiterate fools like you?

            LOL.

            Snuff yourself. You are worthless.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/274b2a360893ebb221f97c4fe2dbeb118a89709da81f34a62a79d391d5b069b8.png

          • TheDudeofVoo

            2012? You managed to cherry-pick the worst season in the modern record? A lot has happened since then… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/715d7a0e6f0a57fc94091f4dc0521f6b5a74366c89c7da5c85803c570571ad0e.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Proof, my little MORON… Proof doesn’t exist in science.

            ” you “window lickers” cannot prove that this is caused by anything.”

            Proof only exists as a concept in mathematics.

            My goodness you are a Stupid.. Stupid… STUPID person.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ec3bfe6e94069ebf9eb2f946a00318817fbfcac17abbb0b38bcb83cbb47ce47.png

          • Ira Moe

            That was my point to begin with. The fact that the temperature is increasing doesn’t at all mean we as humans have anything to do with the increase. So why are you wetting your pants over it my GREAT BIG WINDOW LICKER? Al Gore is an idiot.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The fact that the temperature is increasing doesn’t at all mean we as humans have anything to do with the increase.” – Ira Moe

            The fundamental laws of physics tell us that adding CO2 to the atmosphere must warm it, due to the fact that CO2 absorbs heat radiation.

            You have greater scientific illiteracy than the average 10 year old, who has seen the Ir absorption demonstrated in their grade 5 classrooms.

            LOL!

            Kill yourself now. You are worthless.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e0cb234143e4196c0e23c2fa15726814e680a4aa5630d220f488a1c09ccaffb.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The temperature has been cyclical since the beginning of time.” – Ira Moe

            So has your breathing. So you won’t mind if I prevent you from breathing for 10 to 15 minutes.

            My goodness you are a Stupid.. Stupid… STUPID person.

            How do you manage to lift the spoon to your ignorant mouth?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ec3bfe6e94069ebf9eb2f946a00318817fbfcac17abbb0b38bcb83cbb47ce47.png

          • Ira Moe

            As usual, you can’t argue with what i said here, you just ramble.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Ira. It can’t even understand simple concepts and analogies that even a child cold understand.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9d0151a0abd69ff0b4242c7edb14a2871335a9ad7d674a6e4316aecd8230da8.png
            “The temperature has been cyclical since the beginning of time.” – Ira Moe

            So has your breathing. So you won’t mind if I prevent you from breathing for 10 to 15 minutes.

            My goodness you are a Stupid.. Stupid… STUPID person.

            How do you manage to lift the spoon to your ignorant mouth?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You are quite the MORON Ira.

            “It is so funny listening to you window lickers say things like ” it is the biggest temperature change in 5 thousand years.” – Ira Moe

            The Earth is now warmer than at any time in the last 120,000 years. And in a couple of decades it will be warmer than at any time in several million years.

            “Well what caused the larger change before that ???” – Ira Moe

            That would depend on the change. Primarily the principle driver of Climate change has been the concentration of CO2 or other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

            Only a complete fool would argue that the cause of death of a shooting victim can not be determined because every death in the long history of the world can not be explained.

            And yet that is exactly the argument you are attempting to make.

            You are that moron.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06c50b10ec0c5c0c53e74fdb8fa70cd43f4097a11c4ff958fe44562a29cd56a2.jpg

            ”(a) the post-glacial climatic optimum (Boreal) occurred 8000 to 10,000 years ago, with Greenland temperatures up to 3°C to 4°C higher than now;”

            ”(b) the temperature reached present day values in short periods during the Bølling, MIS5a and MIS 5c;”

            Johnsen, Sigfus J., et al. 1995 “Greenland palaeotemperatures derived from GRIP bore hole temperature and ice core isotope profiles.” Tellus B

          • TheDudeofVoo

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a35fb8d88f53d539ddbd7adf862acd6f206119e60106494fee6431133abb6b5.jpg

            ❝…Earth… warmer than… the last 120,000 years. ❞

            False.
            ”Observational and palaeo-climatic evidence indicates that the Earth’s climate has varied in the past on time scales ranging from many millions of years down to a few years. Over the last two million years, glacial-interglacial cycles have occurred on a time scale of 100,000 years, with large changes in ice volume and sea level. During this time, average global surface temperatures appear to have varied by about 5-7°C. Since the end of the last ice age, about 10,000 BP, globally averaged surface temperatures have fluctuated over a range of up to 2°C on time scales of centuries or more. Such fluctuations include the Holocene Optimum around 5,000-6,000 years ago. the shorter Medieval Warm Period around 1000 AD …”

            Folland, C. Ka, T. R. Karl, and K. Ya Vinnikov 1990. “Observed climate variations and change.” Climate change: the IPCC scientific assessment

          • Ira Moe

            HAHAHAH YOU ARE SOOO000ooo f**king retarded. Bill Clinton tried the same trick with his famous statement ” It depends on what your definition of IS, is.” ( Bill, also a total raving idiot, libtard) However for your simple self, I shall define the word in question in its context above as CORRECT. Now if you’d be so kind as to answer the question, now that you know its meaning.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Is – Definitiion

            Third person singular present of

            1.
            exist.
            “there are no easy answers”

            synonyms: exist, have being, have existence; More
            be present.

            “there is a boy sitting on the step”

            2.
            occur; take place.

            “the exhibition will be in November”

            synonyms: occur, happen, take place, come about, arise, crop up, transpire, fall, materialize, ensue; More
            occupy a position in space.

            “the Salvation Army store was on his left”

            synonyms: be situated, be located, be found, be present, be set, be positioned, be placed, be installed
            “the bed is over there”
            stay in the same place or condition.
            “she was here until about ten-thirty”
            synonyms: remain, stay, last, continue, survive, endure, persist, prevail; More
            attend.
            “the days when she was in school”
            come; go; visit.

            “he’s from Missouri”

            3.
            having the state, quality, identity, nature, role, etc., specified.
            “Amy was 91”
            cost.

            “the tickets were $25”

            amount to.
            “one and one is two”
            represent.
            “let A be a square matrix of order n”
            signify.
            “we were everything to each other”
            consist of; constitute.

            “the monastery was several three-story buildings”

            4.

            informal
            say.

            “when I got there, they were like “What are you doing here?””

          • Ira Moe

            Sorry, your not even close. . . at any point with this. And once again Please get the answer to the correct person.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I’m sorry if you don’t like the dictionary definition of the word “is”. Perhaps you would now like to deny that the word exists. LOL!

            Is – Definitiion

            Third person singular present of

            1.
            exist.
            “there are no easy answers”

            synonyms: exist, have being, have existence; More
            be present.

            “there is a boy sitting on the step”

            2.
            occur; take place.

            “the exhibition will be in November”

            synonyms: occur, happen, take place, come about, arise, crop up, transpire, fall, materialize, ensue; More
            occupy a position in space.

            “the Salvation Army store was on his left”

            synonyms: be situated, be located, be found, be present, be set, be positioned, be placed, be installed
            “the bed is over there”
            stay in the same place or condition.
            “she was here until about ten-thirty”
            synonyms: remain, stay, last, continue, survive, endure, persist, prevail; More
            attend.
            “the days when she was in school”
            come; go; visit.

            “he’s from Missouri”

            3.
            having the state, quality, identity, nature, role, etc., specified.
            “Amy was 91”
            cost.

            “the tickets were $25”

            amount to.
            “one and one is two”
            represent.
            “let A be a square matrix of order n”
            signify.
            “we were everything to each other”
            consist of; constitute.

            “the monastery was several three-story buildings”

            4.

            informal
            say.

            “when I got there, they were like “What are you doing here?””

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “YOU ARE SOOO000ooo f**king retarded. ” – Ora Moe

            Define “right”. LOL!

            My goodness you are a moron.

            What happened to that “Pause” you scumbags have been lying about for the last quarter of a century?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2ec3bfe6e94069ebf9eb2f946a00318817fbfcac17abbb0b38bcb83cbb47ce47.png

          • TheDudeofVoo

            Another unattributed graph .. What, did you draw that on your napkin at home? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5dda5608578423ba2117fd6cc03cd8e0028f442986a7bfa5c805733bb71680f4.jpg

            Coddington, Odele, et al. 2015 ”A Solar Irradiance Climate Data Record.” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society

            TIM Reconstruction data: http://spot.colorado.edu/~koppg/TSI/TSI_TIM_Reconstruction.txt

            Convenient, on-line linear regression analysis web site:

            http://www.alcula.com/calculators/statistics/linear-regression/

            Plug in the data … cut-n-paste. The TSI is approximately quartered, when figuring in the rotation of the earth and the spread from pole to pole; the Albedo reflection also weakens the TSI, so the 0.836 W/m^2 increase is not directly comparable to the ¾ W/m^2 of “retained heat” … but the new TSI values contradict the adage that the sun’s energy has been slowly decreasing since 1960 (it has been slightly decreasing, but, since 1995, not 1960).

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/144743fc1633f1f66bf12739c230fe71969d8fab52e89a9848a1b0473aa0757b.jpg

            The TSI is not the big thing… it is the SSI. You seem intelligent enough to realize that the sun’s spectra … from the near infrared to the hard X-Ray … is not absorbed by the Earth’s environment, in the exact same way? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7708f85bdd817a9ab0b3aebea8d82ef5271ebbc9c52655864226fa7cf537398.jpg

          • cunudiun
          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire…

            “Science once said the world was flat!”” – Ira Mo Retard

            Only morons like you ever thought the world was flat.

            The radius of the earth was calculated accurately in 240 BC. by the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes .

            The fact that the world is a sphere was known at least a thousand years earlier than that, before science even existed.

          • Ira Moe

            HAHAHAHA What a bozo ! You are now the worlds most renown authority on history as well! You are only making yourself look like a bigger fool then before ! HAHAHA !!! PS. Do me a favor the next time you see your parents and slap them for doing such a shitty job of being a parents !! HAHAHAHA

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Can you name a single scientist who has seriously claimed that the world is flat.

            Flat Earthers have always been fools like yourself who are detached from reality, and who regurgitate what they are told and are incapable of thinking rationally for themselves.

            I watched the early morning crescent moon a few days ago. The crescent was, (unlike you), thin, clear, and brilliant. In addition the full disk of the moon was clearly well lit and visible.

            Any simple fool sitting around a fire would see the same pattern of lighting in the rocks around the fire, and the heads of those sitting beside them. And just as those objects would be roughly spheres, so to as it would plainly be obvious, would be the moon, and hence the earth.

            Ira Moe is a fool.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            The greek astronomer wasn’t part of the consensus. He was on our side … a denier.

          • Taluca Lake

            Do you not understand A-B testing? BTW – science allowed Newton to figure out The Calculus (unless you’re a Leibniz fan). It was settled science. Then the guy Einstein came along. Oops. Seems Netwonian science didn’t actually “…allow[s] you to figure out how things work” after all. BTW, livescience.com is aimed at those with a 10th grade education. I’m assuming you’re right about there.

          • david russell

            Calculus is not science. It’s math.

          • Taluca Lake

            It was a reference to the Leibniz/Newton tussle. Go reread the comment. Newtonian physics. Read it. Then read Einstein and Higgs. Bottom line: you’re putting forth a false narrative

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “It was a reference to the Leibniz” – Taluca Lake

            Ya, and it was childishly wrong.

            You have exposed yourself as a moron and a fool.

          • Taluca Lake

            That’s the best you can do? Insults? How about opening a book*?

            * http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/book

          • VendicarDecarian0

            It could be argued that mathematics is a form of science. Most scientists and mathematicians would say it stands apart from physical science since it mathematics is about discerning patterns in the relationships between numbers.

          • david russell

            Don’t be silly. You could also say “math is a form of art.” Pythagoras thought of mathematics in spiritual terms.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Mathematicians in early history thought of algebra as something that exited and was awaiting discovery. The discovery of something is fundamentally different than the creation of something (art). So few mathematicians in history have seen Math as an art form.

          • david russell

            My point remains that mathematics is not science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “science allowed Newton to figure out The Calculus (unless you’re a Leibniz fan). It was settled science.” – Taluca Lake

            Calculus is still settled mathematical science. In fact it is on stronger ground today than it was in Newton’s time.

            “Then the guy Einstein came along” – Taluca Lake

            Einstein didn’t change anything about calculus. Calculus is a mathematical technique that Einstein regularly used.

            You are confusing calculus with Newtonian physics.

            That kind of confusion is like confusing a banana with the color blue. They aren’t even in the same class of thing.

            “Seems Netwonian science didn’t actually “…allow[s] you to figure out how things work”” – Taluca Lake

            Newtonian physics works well enough to send men to the moon, spacecraft to Mars and the spoon to your lips.

            Einsteinian mechanics is a minor modification to how Newtons laws of motion work.

            In fact we know that Einstein view is wrong too, since it is incompatible with quantum mechanics.

            And of course none of this stops Newton from accurately predicting how everything in the normal world works, how and why the wind blows, how and why the rain falls etc.

            You are an ignorant fool to think or claim otherwise.

            Moron.

          • Taluca Lake

            Really? It falls apart under Einsteinian physics.

          • david russell

            There are many things that go by the name “science.” I put climate science in the same bucket as political science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The difference of course is that Climate Science is based on the laws of physics. Political science is based upon the fact that gullible fools like yourself are easy to lie to if those lies fit your fantasy conservative world view.

          • david russell

            I know the physics. Problem is that the measurement are too imprecise and the parameters are too chaotic. Consequently you get statements like “climate sensitivity is 1.5C to 4.5C” which are laughably unhelpful, and reveal that much of the physics is just guesswork. Indeed the IPCC TAR admits that the atmosphere is “…. .a coupled, non-linear, chaotic system.”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “”climate sensitivity is 1.5C to 4.5C” which are laughably unhelpful” – David Russell

            Actually it is a very precise prediction given that it is around 1 percent of the distance from absolute zero.

            1.5 and 4.5 are of course the statistical outliers, and the real value is closest to about 3’C.

            This seems reasonable since we have already seen a rise of around 1.1’C

            Given the rate of CO2 increase we can expect to see a doubling reached in 2060 if not before. So by 2060 we will have committed ourselves to a 3’C warming in the short term and something like 5’C in the long term.

            To put that into perspective, a rise of 8’C is a human extinction level event.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4806625d7eedda7d2f505793189368ae6a9b8fa6c6713a205b2f80aecbc297a1.gif

          • david russell

            ECS is unscientific malarkey, as it’s unverifiable.

            1.5C to 3.5C is laughable. 1.5C is “no problema.” 4.5C is “we all gonna fry.” Your “it’s only 1% the distance from absolute zero” statement is silly.

            The “real value” is unknown. All the science can come up with is 1.1C from the Myhre radiative forcing of CO2 — F=5.35 x Ln(2) = 3.71W/M2 = ~1.1. Anything above that is from assumed positive feedbacks which are not found in nature.

            AGW to date (say from 1880) is generally agreed to by .8C. Using Myhre’s formula you can get about .5C of that due to CO2 and the rest due to ‘other factors.’ (we were just coming out of the very cold LIA after all, so some natural warming is to be expected, no?).

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The “real value” is unknown.” – Pure idiocy

            The real value is 2.5 +/- 1’C

            All measurements and calculations in science have error bars.

            Awwwww. Poor you.

          • david russell

            ECS is pure unscientific malarkey because it’s unverifiable. Your value above is just a BS number.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your pending death isn’t verifiable either. Therefore by your reasoning, you are immortal.

            Hahahahahahahahahahah…….

            My goodness you are stupid.

          • david russell

            No scientist would say, “David Russell will not live forever.” That is not a scientific claim, but rather a practical matter of fact. Science that is unverifiable is pseudo-science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Not only any scientist would say it, but any sane person would agree.

            “No scientist would say, “David Russell will not live forever.”” – David Russell

            What is your excuse for thinking otherwise?

            LOL.

          • david russell

            You prove my point. It’s not a scientific claim.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “1.5C is “no problema.”” – Pure Ignorance

            1.5 is the TCR and represents a LCR of about 2.5 to 3’C (long term), which is 1/4 the way to a civilization level extinction event.

            “4.5C is “we all gonna fry” – Pure Ignorance

            Climate criminals who are promoting that kind of disaster should be fried, I agree, in an electric chair. Their crime. Treason against man and nature.

            A TCR of 4.5 guarantees a LCR of 8’C which is a human extinction level event.

            That is what you are proposing for your great grand children.

          • david russell

            1.5C is the low end of the ECS in fact (1.5-4.5). Since TCR is all there is, and 1.1C is the TCR for CO2 alone, 1.5C may be the right value everything considered (like methane and N2O)

            It all hangs on the feedbacks, of which water vapor is the main one, and 12 years of NVAP data (1987-2001) show flat tropospheric water vapor during a period of rising CO2 and temps.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “Since TCR is all there is” – David Russel.

            It is self evident that water has a higher heat capacity than air. It follows by definition then that a volume of water must absorb more energy to raise it’s temperature a degree compared to the amount of energy needed by the same volume of air. From this it follows that the Earth’s oceans will take substantially longer to warm than the earth’s atmosphere.

            Estimates show that once a higher land surface temperature is reached, it takes the oceans somewhere around 800 years to reach thermal equilibrium with the lower troposphere.

            Since 2/3rds of the earth’s surface is ocean, global surface temperatures are largely a function of ocean temperature.

            It therefore follows that given a degree of surface warming, approximately 800 years will pass before the total warming seen, since it will take that long for the oceans to reach thermal equilibrium.

            The warming is non-linear of course, with virtually all of the additional warming occurring in the 200 years that follow the initial surface warming.

            In terms of magnitude, the additional warming to a sudden increase in land temperatures, will roughly equal the warming first seen on land.

            So a 3’C TCR (T = Transient), results in a 5’C to 6’C in the hundred or so years that follow.

            This Long term response is known as the LCR. (L = Long).

            The following graphic shows the relationship.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4806625d7eedda7d2f505793189368ae6a9b8fa6c6713a205b2f80aecbc297a1.gif

          • david russell

            As the oceans warm the air (as you admit)

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “the oceans warm the air (as you admit)”

            No where in the post that you are responding to was anything of the kind said.

            You have reading comprehension problems boy. LOL!

            “The oceans not going to equilibriate”- David Russell

            The following graph showing the correlation between surface temperatures and deep ocean temperature shows that on the time scales of a thousand years or so, the deep ocean (and hence the surface ocean waters), are in dynamic equilibrium with air temperature.

            LOL! Can’t you get anything right?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b2bd3b56fd439e1594f5bd9eb96d27216915a783527f8c32e16d1afa4bdbce5b.jpg

          • david russell

            I amend my statement as follows: “As the oceans warm the air (which you were unaware of)….” How’s that?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “How’s that?” – David Russell

            You have just repeated the same idiocy.

            LOL!

            Have you noticed that it is warmer now that at any time in the last 120,000 years, and temperatures continue to rise?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ccfb52dc48eec44f4543e45252458cd3f73c943b51f155e0d1e79e8f73680fde.png

          • david russell

            No, the RSS data show no warming for 19 years excluding the el Ninos.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            You act as if one causes the other … but, both are caused by factors external to the two.
            Correlation is no evidence for causation.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “the only way the deep ocean is heated is from volcanos” – David Russell

            So there is no thermal conduction of energy downward through the water column?

            Hahahahahahahahaha…….

            That would be a direct violation of the fundamental principles of thermodynamics wouldn’t it?

            Hahahahahahahahah…………….

            My goodness you are ignorant.

          • david russell

            Regarding thermal conduction down through the water column. Heat rises.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “There is no thermal conduction down through the water column. Heat rises.” – David Russell

            Collisions on the atomic scale are time reversable. Hence heat flows in all directions through the water column, and any surface of water is in near perfect thermal equilibrium with the water on either side of the layer.

            In addition convection causes water to mix through all layers of the ocean.

            In addition radiative coupling in any material is omni-directional provided that the radiation isn’t the result of emission stimulation by passing photons.

            Your comprehension of science is that of a grade 8 level student David.

          • david russell

            That all makes sense theoretically but the energy from the sun (the only energy warming the ocean from above) doesn’t penetrate AT ALL down below the Twilight Layer. The ‘warm’ water above the Twilight Layer keeps the cold water below from getting colder, but it doesn’t warm it. Some 98% of the ocean is below the mixed layer (say top 200 meters, where the solar energy is well mixed by turbulence). Then down to 1000′ or so you have very little turbulence and very little solar energy — the Twilight Layer. Below that is 80% of the ocean which receives no solar energy.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            Wow, you lecture us, with absolutely no references or citations … What, we’re supposed to believe you, because you said it?
            WW2 submarines successfully ‘hid’ under the thermohalocline … they still do, today.

            ❝… convection causes water to mix through all layers of the ocean.❞

            There’s proper science for the non-mixing of layers…

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/596f4dfbdf1211dea72cbfaea54ca5a8a3d9fbb8bbca2675cb75cc7e8ec6e183.png

            Polyakov 2004: ”Isolated from drifting ice by a fresh and cold surface layer, the intermediate [warm and salty Atlantic water] carries vast quantities of heat. … Released into the upper ocean, this heat has the potential to melt substantial quantities of Arctic ice.”
            Polyakov, I. V., et al. 2004 “Variability of the intermediate Atlantic water of the Arctic Ocean over the last 100 years.” Journal of Climate

            Shimada 2006: ”The spatial pattern of recent ice reduction in the Arctic Ocean is similar to the distribution of warm Pacific Summer Water (PSW) that interflows the upper portion of halocline in the southern Canada Basin. Increases in [Pacific Summer Water] temperature in the basin are also well-correlated with the onset of sea-ice reduction that began in the late 1990s. However, increases in [Pacific Summer Water] temperature in the basin do not correlate with the temperature of upstream source water in the northeastern Bering Sea, suggesting that there is another mechanism which controls these concurrent changes in ice cover and upper ocean temperature. We propose a feedback mechanism whereby the delayed sea-ice formation in early winter, which began in 1997/1998, reduced internal ice stresses and thus allowed a more efficient coupling of anticyclonic wind forcing to the upper ocean. This, in turn, increased the flux of warm [Pacific Summer Water] into the basin and caused the catastrophic changes.”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c921999cfe7525cee93ab7e1845ba7330601169b39047fb0288dc9d5f9222b8.jpg

            Shimada, Koji, et al. 2006 “Pacific Ocean inflow: Influence on catastrophic reduction of sea ice cover in the Arctic Ocean.” Geophysical Research Letters

            Feely 2008:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5df9a10606d98a4c9e5741217ce5454c81c3d1e0e0aed8670ebb10c6424ef523.jpg
            Feely, Richard A., et al. 2008 “Evidence for upwelling of corrosive” acidified” water onto the continental shelf.” Science

            I guess it depends upon what you mean by … near perfect

            ❝…water is in near perfect thermal equilibrium with the water on either side of the layer.❞

          • TheDudeofVoo

            ❝…a direct violation of the fundamental principles of thermodynamics…❞

            Fundamental…. but there is a lot more, to thermodynamics, than the fundamentals. This stuff is complicated difficult. Not first year stuff.

            The magnitude of the supposed ‘global warming’ is small. The natural variations are large

            ”… given that the climate system changes and feedback we are trying to observe are small compared to the internal variability of the climate system, and given that at long time scales instrument calibration is the dominant error source, such a paradigm shift is critically needed.”

            Loeb, Norman G., Wenying Su, and Meiji Kato 2016. “Understanding Climate Feedbacks and Sensitivity Using Observations of Earth’s Energy Budget.” Current Climate Change Reports

            Liang, Wunsch, Heimbach, Forget 2015: ”Estimated values of recent oceanic heat uptake are on the order of a few tenths of a W/m^2, and are a very small residual of air–sea exchanges, with annual average regional magnitudes of hundreds of W/m^2. … ”

            ”Estimates of the patterns of oceanic heat exchange with the atmosphere (e.g., Stammer et al. 2004) have an annual average range of hundreds of W/m^2 of both signs, with much larger seasonal extremes. Finding and understanding a residual oceanic warming even as large as 1 W/m^2, with useful accuracy, requires considerable insight into the distribution and physics of the exchanges.”

            Liang, Wunsch, Heimbach, Forget 2015 “Vertical redistribution of oceanic heat content.” Journal of Climate

            NOAA says, ”Determining human-induced climate change from the observational record is difficult. Across North America there is strong interannual to decadal and multidecadal variability of precipitation, which means that observed trends, even over very long time periods, could arise from natural variability.”

            ”It has already been shown that human-induced precipitation changes to date across North America are small compared to natural interannual variability (Seager and Hoerling 2014).”

            http://cpo.noaa.gov/sites/cpo/MAPP/Task%20Forces/DTF/californiadrought/california_drought_report.pdf

            ”Success in the quest for a global atmospheric δ13C(δt) re cord has been limited because the fractionation response of individual trees to environmental and physiological factors is complicated. Tree δ13C(δt) records of the last 200 years often differ, substantially, in trend [Francey,1981;Penget al., 1983]”

            Stuiver, Minze, R. L. Burk, and Paul D. Quay 1984. “13C/12C ratios in tree rings and the transfer of biospheric carbon to the atmosphere.” Journal of Geophysical Research: Atmospheres

            Wielicki 2013: Climate change, however, consists of very small changes in distributions of geophysical variables … Typical decadal changes are much less than 1% and clearly are small perturbations.”

            Wielicki, Bruce A., et al. 2013 “Achieving climate change absolute accuracy in orbit.” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society

            ”… by the fact that the anthropogenic climate change signal during the second half of the twentieth century is small compared to the noise associated with natural climate variability. ”

            Previdi & Polvani 2016 “Anthropogenic Impact on Antarctic Surface Mass Balance, Currently Masked by Natural Variability, to Emerge by Mid-Century” Environmental Research Letters

            ”These climate change signals of O(1 W/m^2) for heat and O(1 cm/yr) for freshwater are far below any expected observational accuracy globally or in polar regions. … Unachievable standards should not be a deterrent to efforts at improvement: significant scientific gains could be made if the uncertainty in heat and freshwater flux estimates (as crudely estimated by the spread in modern products) could be improved by an order of magnitude.”

            Wick, Gary, et al. 2016 “High-latitude ocean and sea ice surface fluxes.” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Indeed the IPCC TAR admits that the atmosphere is “…. .a coupled, non-linear, chaotic system.” – David Russell

            Fortunately, one of the helpful characteristics of chaotic systems is that the state of the system orbits one or more attractors, and hence the average state of the system is computable.

          • david russell

            Not really in the case of the climate. Measurements are too messy and too much is not measured at all, but rather parameterized.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Just as 12 years is insufficient time over which global temperature change can be deduced from background noise, 12 years is equally insufficient to detect changes in global average humidity.

            You are a fool to believe otherwise.

            “12 years of NVAP data (1987-2001) show flat tropospheric water vapor during a period of rising CO2 and temps.” – David Russell

          • david russell

            Your above is absurd on its face. The temperature ACTUALLY did change in those 12 years, as did the CO2ppm. What DID NOT change is the water vapor content of the troposphere.

            Thus whatever was going on, there could be no positive water vapor feedback. QED

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The temperature ACTUALLY did change in those 12 years” – david russell

            So you freely admit then, that the denialists who claim that there has been no change in global temperature over the last 20 years, are lying scumbags.

            Very good, you are making some progress.

          • david russell

            You are wrong again. NVAP covered 1989-2001.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.. Once again.

            “You are wrong again. NVAP covered 1989-2001.” – David Russell

            The thick green line in the figure above is the global humidity anomaly (data from NOAA), with its best fit linear trend as the blue dashed line. Over this time period, the water content has risen by about 5%. The thin blue line is the history of the El Niño – La Niña oscillation — the seesaw sloshing of warm water back and forth along the equatorial Pacific Ocean. Positive values (scale on the left) indicate an El Niño year when more of the warm water sloshes over to the eastern Pacific (the South American side); negative values mean the warm water is pooled up on the western side near Indonesia. As can be seen, some of the fluctuations in global humidity correspond to the El Niño history, with more moisture generally associated with an El Niño year. But the general trend is rising humidity, and the El Niño history does not show a similar rise — this tells us that while El Niño is important, the underlying trend is more likely related to a warmer planet.

            https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/558

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1415d706b4ce431a99c5700fb5646f269697220de412aac82f07f8ca2f78c9d.png

          • david russell

            You are being disingenuous. Your previous post cackled about my NVAP data showing a temperature rise DURING THE PAUSE which “denier say had flat temps”.

            NVAP did NOT cover the pause, although it did overlap a bit.

            And again, your NOAA graph is contradicted by NASA NVAP data:

            http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4730

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your link to “friendsofscience” is link to an oil industry front group. LOL.

            Several of the members of that group were sanctioned by the University of Alberta for claiming that
            their nonsense blog was the official position of the University of Alberta.

            Further, the scientists who collected the NVAP data clearly state that the data can not be used for Climate analysis since the methods and standards used while collecting the data changed significantly over the observing period.

            Finally, the observing period was only 12 years, and not long enough to constitute a valid climate time series. Variability is just too high over a 12 year period to say anything that is statistically significant.

            LOL.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

          • david russell

            Squirm, squiggle all you like the data speak for themselves. The data are from NASA and they could be posted by Exxon for all I care. Indeed, if I were Exxon, this is the kind of data I would publicize widely.

            The claim the data can’t be used because of changes in the ‘methods and standards’ changed over 14 year is pure nonsense. What long term monitoring process can avoid that charge?

            The 12 (actually 14) year time period is plenty long enough. It’s not about ‘establishing a time series.’ It’s about showing NO INCREASE in water vapor over a 14 year period of rising temps and CO2 levels. IT DRIVES A STAKE THROUTH THE HEART of the enhanced carbon dioxide warming thesis.

            Game. Set. Match.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            LOL! The scientists who collected the data tell you that it can’t be used for time series reconstruction.

            You in your infinite ignorance demand that it can.

            Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

            Statement on Using Existing NVAP Dataset (1988 – 2001) for Trends
            (Tom Vonder Haar and the NVAP production team, July 2010)

            This statement summarizes our thoughts in regard to the frequently asked question
            “What is the trend in global water vapor from the NVAP (NASA Water Vapor Dataset)?”.
            While other datasets (radiosonde, microwave ocean-only) have been used for trend
            studies (e.g. see IPCC AR4), NVAP is unique in that it covers global land and ocean by
            combining a variety of input sources. The NVAP dataset (available at the NASA Langley
            DAAC Data Center) has been used in hundreds of studies of water vapor and has
            proven to be valuable for daily to interannual variability studies (monsoon, ENSO, MJO
            etc.). Like many related climate datasets (precipitation, clouds), NVAP was originally
            designed for weather and process studies and not to detect climate trends.

            There are several natural events and especially data and algorithmic time-dependent
            biases that cause us to conclude that the extant NVAP dataset is not currently suitable
            for detecting trends in total precipitable water (TPW) or layered water vapor on decadal
            scales. These include:

            • Several changes in the NOAA Tiros Operational Vertical Sounder (TOVS)
            retrievals during the 1990’s. And lack of any instrument-to-instrument calibration
            when the dataset was produced. TOVS data provides much of the information
            over land.

            • Changes in the microwave ocean algorithm and supporting data (sea ice, sea
            surface temperature), and lack of any intercalibration of the Special Sensor
            Microwave / Imager (SSM/I) instruments onboard six different satellites.
            Radiance intercalibration of this important dataset is just beginning to appear in
            2010.

            • Production of NVAP in four steps during the 1990’s, with new instruments as they
            became available.

            • Large natural geophysical events occurring during the time period (1987 ENSO
            and transition to 1988 La Nina at the beginning of the record; Pinatubo eruption
            in 1991, large 1997-1998 El Nino. Whether or not one uses these events in a
            trend study can impact the slope of the trend line.

            The NVAP dataset now available to the public has never been reanalyzed. A reanalysis
            effort should be a natural part of a climate dataset, as the first trend studies often
            uncover previously unknown errors in the data. At this time, we cannot prove or
            disprove a robust trend due to atmospheric changes with NVAP, as we stated in our
            2005 paper “Water Vapor Trends and Variability from the Global NVAP Dataset” at the
            16th AMS Symposium on Global Change and Climate Variations.

            Using lessons learned from the existing NVAP data and knowledge including the factors
            listed above, a reanalysis effort is now underway to produce and extend the NVAP water
            vapor record. This effort is supported by the NASA Making Earth Science Data Records
            for Use in Research Environments (MEaSUREs) program

            Game. Set. Match. LOL!

          • david russell

            I’m getting bored with your constant repetition of irrelevancies. This above adds something however, to wit: the NVAP has never been ‘reanalyzed.’ Presumably this ‘reanalysis’ might (as in MAYBE) find errors. Ok So what? Why haven’t the NVAP data been reanalyzed? By the way, your above is dated 2010, My Clive Best presentation was dated 2016. It doesn’t show the spike in the 1998 el Nino which suggests to me that the NVAP data HAVE BEEN REANALZED in the interim.

            Reanalyzed or not, the NVAP data show NO EVIDENCE of positive water vapor resulting for CO2-driven warming, and without the extra water vapor there can be no enhanced greenhouse effect.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            LOL.. Translation. Facts mean nothing to you.

            Hahahahahahahaha….. That is why you are a perpetual failure, and scientifically illiterate.

          • david russell

            “Failure” huh? I’ve cleaned your clock….. every time. Oh, you think you’ve scrapped my knee from the drubbing you’ve been giving it with your groin.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            From the NASA NVAP web site.

            “Changes in algorithms result in time series (almost) unuseable for climate studies” – NASA NVAP

            “The NASA Water Vapor Project (NVAP) total column water vapor (aka, precipitable water) data sets comprise a combination of radiosonde observations, Television and Infrared Operational Satellite (TIROS) Operational Vertical Sounders (TOVS), and Special Sensor Microwave/Imager (SSM/I) data sets. These data sets span 14 years (1988 – 2001) and contain total and layered global water vapor data.”

            LOL.

          • david russell

            Data are data. Anyone can see that the NVAP data show “no water vapor feedback” because the water vapor doesn’t increase in the 14 years of the covered period while CO2 levels and temps increased quite materially.

            What NASA does NOT say is that the data are corrupt, or mismeasured somehow. It’s more like “Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain.”

            Clearly this NVAP project data drive a stake through the heart of dangerous AGW.

            The statement you quote is a POLITICAL statement not a scientific one. These guys are scared out of their mind by what they discovered.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            LOL. You keep being told that NVAP isn’t a reliable time series. Yet you persist in lying about it.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cf3b0569b92c6e7fcc699c3b5a3625269c7b90743cc45c0187b1b4e7a3d3994.jpg
            The heritage NVAP dataset contains several time-dependent artifacts which make trend
            detection difficult (Trenberth et al. 2005). These artifacts are a major hindrance to full use of
            this dataset for studies of decadal patterns in global water vapor. While some improvements to
            the processing methodology were made with each processing phase of heritage NVAP, the entire
            dataset has never been reanalyzed or reprocessed. This results in several discontinuities in the
            data when the processing methodology or input data suddenly changed. The Hövmoller diagram
            in Figure 1a illustrates the biases introduced to the monthly zonal water vapor anomalies with
            each change of processing methodology and input datasets. The changes that caused these biases
            include changes to the SSM/I retrieval algorithm and topography masking in beginning in 1993,
            changes to the NOAA operational TOVS algorithm in early 1996 and mid-1998, and the addition
            of many sensors to NVAP-NG in 2000. The corresponding plot for NVAP-M is in Fig. 1c.

            NASA WATER VAPOR PROJECT – MEaSUREs
            (NVAP-M)
            ALGORITHM THEORETICAL BASIS DOCUMENT
            Version 2
            Thomas Vonder Haar, PI
            John Forsythe
            Janice Bytheway

            https://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/project/nvap/NVAP_M_ATBD_Feb2013.pdf

            Global Humidity anomaly shown below.

          • david russell

            I’ll take NASA over these other individuals. But I will note that excepting the spike for the 1998 el Nino this graph of yours shows little or no additional water vapor for the 2 decades beginning somewhat before 1990.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Hahahahaah.. Here is what NASA says…

            Statement on Using Existing NVAP Dataset (1988 – 2001) for Trends
            (Tom Vonder Haar and the NVAP production team, July 2010)
            This statement summarizes our thoughts in regard to the frequently asked question
            “What is the trend in global water vapor from the NVAP (NASA Water Vapor Dataset)?”.

            While other datasets (radiosonde, microwave ocean-only) have been used for trend
            studies (e.g. see IPCC AR4), NVAP is unique in that it covers global land and ocean by
            combining a variety of input sources. The NVAP dataset (available at the NASA Langley
            DAAC Data Center) has been used in hundreds of studies of water vapor and has
            proven to be valuable for daily to interannual variability studies (monsoon, ENSO, MJO
            etc.). Like many related climate datasets (precipitation, clouds), NVAP was originally
            designed for weather and process studies and not to detect climate trends.
            There are several natural events and especially data and algorithmic time-dependent
            biases that cause us to conclude that the extant NVAP dataset is not currently suitable
            for detecting trends in total precipitable water (TPW) or layered water vapor on decadal
            scales. These include:

            • Several changes in the NOAA Tiros Operational Vertical Sounder (TOVS)
            retrievals during the 1990’s. And lack of any instrument-to-instrument calibration
            when the dataset was produced. TOVS data provides much of the information
            over land.

            • Changes in the microwave ocean algorithm and supporting data (sea ice, sea
            surface temperature), and lack of any intercalibration of the Special Sensor
            Microwave / Imager (SSM/I) instruments onboard six different satellites.
            Radiance intercalibration of this important dataset is just beginning to appear in
            2010.

            • Production of NVAP in four steps during the 1990’s, with new instruments as they
            became available.

            • Large natural geophysical events occurring during the time period (1987 ENSO
            and transition to 1988 La Nina at the beginning of the record; Pinatubo eruption
            in 1991, large 1997-1998 El Nino. Whether or not one uses these events in a
            trend study can impact the slope of the trend line.

            The NVAP dataset now available to the public has never been reanalyzed. A reanalysis
            effort should be a natural part of a climate dataset, as the first trend studies often
            uncover previously unknown errors in the data. At this time, we cannot prove or
            disprove a robust trend due to atmospheric changes with NVAP, as we stated in our
            2005 paper “Water Vapor Trends and Variability from the Global NVAP Dataset” at the
            16th AMS Symposium on Global Change and Climate Variations.

            Using lessons learned from the existing NVAP data and knowledge including the factors
            listed above, a reanalysis effort is now underway to produce and extend the NVAP water
            vapor record. This effort is supported by the NASA Making Earth Science Data Records
            for Use in Research Environments (MEaSUREs) program

            (http://esdswg.eosdis.nasa.gov/measures/#). The new dataset covering 20+ years
            will be available to the public in 2012 or 2013. Updates on the status and availability of
            this data will be posted at the NVAP-MEaSURES project website

          • david russell

            I’m not reading your above, which is merely a copy/paste from countless (boring) prior posts of yours. I’ve obliterated this point. Now man up, admit you are wrong, and move on.

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • TheDudeofVoo
          • david russell

            Whatever you cut/pasted after the chart is an incomprehensible mish-mash.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “incomprehensible mish mash” – David Russell

            LOL! It only appears that way to scientific illiterates such as yourself.

            But because of your scientific illiteracy you know better than the experts who created the data set that you refer to, and they must accept your demand that it be used for time series analysis, even when they claim that it can not be reliably used for such.

            Hahahahahahaha… Now proclaim victory and run away, incompetent.

            Hahahahahahahah….

          • jmac

            I’m just your typical right wing voter like david russell, but I find the very best way of gaining knowledge is ignoring the actual science (the peer reviewed studies are for sissies and takes time away from my chest thumping about how smart I am), and instead heading right to the right wing denier blogs and listening to fox news and Rush Limbaugh 24/7. They interpret that stuff for me. If you can’t explain it in 140 characters or less, I’m out.

            Just like the other day. When scientists announced the discovery of water on Mars recently, Rush Limbaugh drew the obvious conclusion: It was all part of a conspiratorial plot. See easy! I’m all informed up.
            /snark I kid, I kid, not really true, do not try this at home 🙂

          • david russell

            It is incomprehensible to anyone (including you). It’s an obvious cut and paste from the [lack of] formatting. It refers to charts that aren’t there.

            I’ve obliterated you on every point so your constant “LOL’s” and “Liar Liars” only make you look silly.

            Stop the trash talk.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            IT would be helpful if you put it in quotes, and removed the formatting “line feeds” or “carriage returns” (and let Disqus place them). IT is quote hard to tell what it is, that you’re saying, vs. what it is, that your are quoting.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            IT would be helpful if you put it in quotes, and removed the formatting “line feeds” or “carriage returns” (and let Disqus place them). IT is quote hard to tell what it is, that you’re saying, vs. what it is, that your are quoting.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire..

            “Anyone can see that the NVAP data show “no water vapor feedback” – David Russell

            The scientists who have collected the NVAP data claim that it can not be effectively used for year on year comparison because the data collection instruments and methods changed over the 12 year data set.

            They have also told you – as have I – that any trend over such a short interval has no statistical significance.

            LOL!

            And Oh, by the way, Water Vapor Feedback is not as you assert, an increase in global humidity that accompanies an increase in temperature. It is a magnification of the amount of energy trapped by the lower atmosphere as global humidity increases due to CO2 enhanced warming.

            You probably aren’t even aware enough to understand the difference.

            Hahahahahahahahah… U Stuuuuuuuupid…..

          • david russell

            I’ve already refuted this nonsense.

            Your “by the way” point misses the barn. It is a correct statement, but irrelevant. My point here is that the positive water vapor feedback requires MORE WATER VAPOR in the atmosphere…… which is not present in the NVAP data. Therefore because the extra water vapor isn’t there, there can be not enhanced effect.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “The statement you quote is a POLITICAL statement not a scientific one” – David Russell

            Ya, when scientists tell you that their data can’t be reliably used for time series analysis due to changes in observing instruments, methods and analysis, it is a political statement.

            It’s pure communiz.

            Hahahahahahahahah…. You are a pathetic, self deluded, fool David Russell.

          • david russell

            You seem to revel in making the same flawed point over and over. I’ve refuted this point of yours already. Stop repeating inanities.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “NVAP covered 1989 – 2001”

            I said nothing about NVAP in the response above.

            Why did you feel the need to lie about it? Hahahahahahahahaha…

          • david russell

            It was I WHO SUPPORTED MY CLAIM with NVAP data. You are ignorant of it (among other things). You are beginning to sound deranged.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            From the NVAP web site…

            “Changes in algorithms result in (NVAP) time series (almost) unuseable for climate studies”

            LOL!

            So why are you trying to use it to make claims about climate?

            Looooooooooooossssssssssseeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

          • david russell

            Your quote is not a sentence (no verb). Presumably there is a missing “are.”

            The claim doesn’t mean anything to me. What does it mean to you? Does it mean that the NVAP data are inaccurate? If it does, why not say so? Better: why not disavow NVAP altogether?

            Maybe it only means “First we had NVAP (1988-2001) and then we have NVAP-M, which runs through 2010. So use NVAP-M.”

            You seem to presume that your quote means the data are somehow “bad” or “suspect.” But that’s not what it says. It’s in fact only a meaningless sound-bite.

            Look, Vendicar, the NVAP data show no pickup in tropospheric water vapor over a 14 year period of rising temps and CO2. That drives a stake through the heart of calamitous AGW due to Co2 amplified 3x by water vapor feedback.

            Man up. Live with it.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “NVAP covered 1989 – 2001”

            A full 12 years ay? Hahahahahahahah….

            Climate is defined over a minimum 30 year period. 12 years is about 1/3 of that. Hence ANY measured change in global humidity level over a 12 year period is not a climate signal.

            Because the interval is too short, there is no statistically significant change in temperature over any 10 year period. Hence there will be no statistically significant correlation between global Humidity and Temperature over that period.

            It is a statistical impossibility.

            And once again you out yourself as spectacularly ignorant.

            Hahahahahahahahahahah.. My goodness. You should get an 8 year old to explain these things to you.

          • david russell

            There is no scientific basis for “climate is at least 30 years.” This is merely a heuristic. Moreover, your “climate is 30 years” moan ignores the ABSENCE of actual water vapor increase over 14 years in a period of rising TEMP and CO2 levels. Water evaporates in real time. It doesn’t take decades. Don’t be ridiculous.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar… Liar…. Pants on fire…

            “There is no scientific basis for “climate is at least 30 years.” ”

            LOL!

            Of course there is. The period chosen has to be long enough to provide a minimum number of measurements in order to be statistically valid. The period must be short enough to be relevant to society, and it must not be a multiple of either the solar cycle, or any of the known ocean cycles.

            These requirements mean that the number of years must be 30 or greater and exclude 33 to 38 year intervals. Selecting 30 to 32 years provides an interval with the highest potential temporal resolution while satisfying the other conditions.

            You are an idiot David.

            LOL!

          • david russell

            Well let’s break that down for the past 100 years or so. From 1910 to 1940, after 2 decades of cooling, the temperatures rose .45C. So in 1940 the ‘experts’ would definitely have their 30 years and be able to establish that we were in a warming trend. Oh… oh, then the planet cooled for 30-35 years until the mid-1970s. So climate experts after harping (incorrectly I’d say) for these next 30 years that we’re in a warming trend, they could in1970 finally acknowledge that in fact we were in a cooling trend……..only to have to be embarrassed ONCE AGAIN by the major warming of the mid-1970’s to the late 1990s. From about 1997 to date (excluding both el Ninos) temperatures have been flat, but we have to wait until 2027 before the trend can be established, right.

            Bwahahahaha

            So if you believe your nonsense above, you would have been 100% wrong for almost the entire last 100 years.

            Climate science is so easy to refute.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “ignores the ABSENCE of actual water vapor increase over 14 years” – David Russell

            LOL! How many times do you have to be reminded that the very scientists who collected the data you are relying upon have told you that it can not be used as a time series as you are doing?

            My God you are stupid.

            If you want a time series that shows global humidity change, here it is..

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cf3b0569b92c6e7fcc699c3b5a3625269c7b90743cc45c0187b1b4e7a3d3994.jpg

          • david russell

            Sorry, but the NVAP and NVAP-M data show no increase in tropospheric water vapor from 1988-2001. Your above graph shows pretty much the same thing excepting for the 1998 el Nino year. Moreover the above graph does not resolve the water column by altitude which makes it meaningless.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar. Liar.. Pants on fire..

            “What DID NOT change is the water vapor content of the troposphere.” – David Russell

            The thick green line in the figure above is the global humidity anomaly (data from NOAA), with its best fit linear trend as the blue dashed line. Over this time period, the water content has risen by about 5%. The thin blue line is the history of the El Niño – La Niña oscillation — the seesaw sloshing of warm water back and forth along the equatorial Pacific Ocean. Positive values (scale on the left) indicate an El Niño year when more of the warm water sloshes over to the eastern Pacific (the South American side); negative values mean the warm water is pooled up on the western side near Indonesia. As can be seen, some of the fluctuations in global humidity correspond to the El Niño history, with more moisture generally associated with an El Niño year. But the general trend is rising humidity, and the El Niño history does not show a similar rise — this tells us that while El Niño is important, the underlying trend is more likely related to a warmer planet.

            https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/558

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e1415d706b4ce431a99c5700fb5646f269697220de412aac82f07f8ca2f78c9d.png

          • david russell

            I stand by my claim, which is supported by NASA in their NVAP project, results of which can be seen here: http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4730

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, you stand by it even after the very people who produced it have told you that it can’t be used in Climate Studies because the methods and standards used to collect the data changed dramatically over the short observing period.

            I stand by my claim that you are a dishonest loser.

            LOL!

          • david russell

            That’s what they SAY alright, but what does that mean? Does it mean the data are wrong, or distorted? It would seem not because they don’t say that. Does it mean, “NVAP-M supersedes NVAP?” (because they also say this). But that doesn’t mean the data are wrong either. Does it mean “Since climate is 30 years and this only covers 14, therefore you can’t use the data to come to any ‘climate conclusions?’

            What I think it means is, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, because this data drives a stake through the heart of the CO2 enhanced greenhouse effect.”

            You can LOL all you want, but it sounds like hollow, sheepish, guilty, nervous laughter to me.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “That’s what they say, but what does that mean?” – David Russell.

            It means that you are dumb as fuck and don’t want to accept that the very scientists who provided the data that you are jabbering about tell you that due to differences in the instruments and the way the analysis methods changed, no inference can be made about the trend.

            You can pretend that it means whatever you want it to mean, but that just makes you all the more a liar, and a fool.

            LOL!

            Meanwhile we have the real humidity data shown below….

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cf3b0569b92c6e7fcc699c3b5a3625269c7b90743cc45c0187b1b4e7a3d3994.jpg

          • david russell

            What we have above comes from exactly what measuring technology. Are the methods and standards the same from 1970 through 2010 the same? How do you know? Ans: you don’t know.

            I will point out again that excepting the 1998 el Nino spike even your above chart shows little to no increase in water vapor from 1990 to 2010.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Your “it’s only 1% the distance from absolute zero” statement is silly.” – Pure Ignorance

            Nature provides us with only one standard for the zero mark on her thermometer. And that zero mark is -273.15’C or 0’K.

            A rise of 2.5’C therefore represents a rise of 1 percent in the measured temperature.

            Awwww. You poor baby.

          • david russell

            Repeating a silly statement doesn’t make it any less silly. The ‘alarmist claim’ is that 2C is the tipping point. What if I were to respond, “Well, that’s less than a 1% change in temperature.”

            If climate sensitivity is at the low end of 1.5-4.5, we literally have nothing to worry about and if it’s at the high end we’re in deep trouble. I believe that’s the official position….. whatever the distance of either of those temperatures is from -273.15C.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Repeating your childish ignorance concerning absolute zero, illustrates the depth of your childish ignorance of basic science.

            “Repeating a silly statement doesn’t make it any less silly.” – David Russell

          • david russell

            This is pointless. We just have to agree to disagree on this matter…. and move on.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I’m sorry but it is not permissible for you to disagree with fact.

            You are not entitled to live in a fantasy universe and still breathe my air.

          • david russell

            On this matter there is no disagreement on fact. It’s about whether your fact has any relevance.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Said the fool denying Anthropogenic Global Warming.

            Hahahahahahaha…. You display such shameful, shameful, scientific illiteracy.

          • david russell

            I do not deny AGW. This is another error on your part (you’re creating quite a collection). The matter under consideration here is whether a CS of 1.5-4.5C is a ‘tight’ range. You say it is because the difference is “less than 1% of the distance from absolute zero (!!!). ” I say it isn’t because if the lower range (1.5C) is accurate then we don’t have a problem but if the upper range is accurate “we’re all gonna fry.”

            AGW is of course not in contention here at all. I say CS is low and thus take the position: “AGW: So what?” I call myself a luke-warmer.

          • EliteDangerous

            “No Such Thing As Facts” – Scottie Nell Hughes, CNN Commentator and Trump surrogate.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            “The ‘alarmist claim’ is that 2C is the tipping point. ”

            No one has claimed that 2’C is a “tipping point’. You are lying to claim that anyone has.

            2’C is considered an approximate estimate of where significant damage will be occurring as a result of changes in the climate.

            Significant damage may begin somewhat before or somewhat after the 2’C rise.

            As to tipping points, one was reached this year, with the global average temperature reaching a spectacularly high level that is over 1.1’C higher than pre-industrial levels.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c2b7bb6b33244c1085315d4e8daa39dc06e974dfc6d2c155a2882c3da3a9de.jpg

          • david russell

            I can’t tell if you are deranged or just making a joke: 3 paragraphs denying 2C is the tipping point, followed by paragraph 4 which in essence says “2C is the tipping point.” You are quite funny, or perhaps merely a lunatic.

            As far as 2016 is concerns, this was the winding down of an el Nino year and land temperatures are already 1.2C lower than their el Nino high earlier this year. So your graph is both irrelevant and disingenuous.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “paragraph 4 which in essence says “2C is the tipping point.” – David Russell

            Paragraph 4 -> “As to tipping points, one was reached this year, with the global average temperature reaching a spectacularly high level that is over 1.1’C higher than pre-industrial levels.”

            A tipping point was reached at a temperature of 0.9’C. Not 2’C. Nothing in the paragraph talks about a 2’C tipping point.

            Perhaps you don’t understand what a tipping point is. LOL…

            Earlier you claimed that the climate was a chaotic system. Well yes, and this is related to tipping points.

            A tipping point is a switch from one attractor set to another in the climate system. It represents an abrupt non-linear change in the average state of the system.

            The sudden rise in global temperature over the last three year, by approximately 0.2’C is such a state change and hence a tipping point.

          • david russell

            What are you blathering about above? Anyone who’s conscious knows the 2C meme has been bandied about for years now. I know it’s BS. And you KNOW what I say is true. So stop trying to pretend otherwise.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Anyone who’s conscious knows the 2C meme has been bandied about for years now.” – David Russell.

            LOL. 2 years…

            SInce the Paris convention on climate change.

            The Paris agreement is an agreement within the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) dealing with greenhouse gases emissions mitigation, adaptation and finance starting in the year 2020. The language of the agreement was negotiated by representatives of 195 countries at the 21st Conference of the Parties of the UNFCCC in Paris and adopted by consensus on 12 December 2015

            The aim of the convention is described in Article 2, “enhancing the implementation” of the UNFCCC through:

            “(a) Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

            (b) Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

            (c) Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate-resilient development.”

            Once again David, you have exposed yourself as a moron.

          • david russell

            Thank you for proving my claim that the 2C meme has been around for years (as you say, 2 years).

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “I know it’s BS.” – David Russell

            You also claim to know that when scientists tell you that their data can not be used for time series analysis, that they are lying… But only when it supports your idiotic world view.

            Hahahahahahahahahahaha……. My goodness you are a Loser.

          • david russell

            I know that “time series analysis” is not the issue. Water vapor stays in the atmosphere a very short time (6 days on average I recall). CO2 forcing response is very quick in the atmosphere (how do you think they demonstrated CO2 forcing in the lab in the first place? They didn’t conduct multi-year experiments). So over a 14 year period of 30 ppm increase in CO2, the water vapor feed back would be in the data almost in real time.

            IT IS NOT THERE..

            Therefore Enhanced CO2 warming goes into the dust-bin of eugenics, the “ether”, homeopathic medicine, and countless other scientific fads.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “temperatures are already 1.2C lower than their el Nino high earlier this year” – David Russell

            The following chart shows the decline in global temperatures since the peak of this year.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e8ef1edb24b38fe58dac92418eab350f2636f78a4d8acb2b4904b1312c831ab4.png

            The decline from the peak is not 1.2’C which is your claim, but 0.4’C.

            This decline is due to the transition of the pacific ocean from ENSO Positive to ENSO Negative and is typical for a phase change in the ENSO state.

            The typical reduction in global temperature from peak during such a phase shift is 0.6’C or less with the average state being somewhere between 0.3 and 0.2’C below the peak.

            The peak of 2016 was over 1.3’C Which puts the global average at somewhere between 1.0’C and 1.1’C.

            Before the El-Nino, the global average was 0.85’C

            Thus what has happened over the last few years has been the realization of a tipping point that has advanced the global temperature by 0.15’C to 0.2’C.

          • david russell

            You misread what I wrote once again. What I said was LAND temperatures are down 1.2C since the recent El Nino peak earlier this year.

            The oceans temps are lagging a bit. Next year I fully expect global temps to reestablish what will then be a 20 year Pause.’

          • VendicarDecarian0

            What you said was wrong, as usual.

            http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/crutem4vgl/from:1996

            Global land temperatures are down less than 1’C. During the transition from last major El-Nino/La_Nina, global land temperatures dropped by slightly more than 1.2’C

            The current La-Nina has not yet reached maximum, so a decline of an additional 0.2’C won’t be unexpected.

            “Next year I fully expect” – David Russell

            You are a nobody who is chattering nonsense due to his vast ignorance of science.

          • david russell

            I’m using RSS satellite data (land only) which show more of a decline…. actually 1.2C (just as I said).

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “assumed positive feedbacks which are not found in nature.”

            Ice is white and as it melts it exposes a darker surface of ground or water.

            The light that was reflected from the white ice is replaced with ground or water which absorbs more of the incoming radiation and thus increases the rate of warming.

            This is a positive feedback in nature, and that makes you a liar.

            Awwwww. You Poor Fool.

          • david russell

            Ice is indeed white and declining sea ice in the Arctic is likely warming the Arctic. The opposite is happening in the Antarctic.

            These things are cyclical. The same thing happened in the Arctic in the 1920s, 30s and early 40s.

          • TheDudeofVoo

            There’s more to the earth than the Arctic sea-ice. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f4cec56e3bb8616b8a38850c7713b2c69d9840a71cebe59187b0321d196c04f4.jpg
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/47b0072ca7c09906c0646dffe26de3b0c2cdb411f9cc839ce395ea2c285a814a.jpg
            Besides, when the Arctic sea-ice is absent, the heat transfer from the ocean to the atmosphere goes up a hundred times more. This enhances rejection of heat to space.

            ”Sea ice regulates exchanges of heat, moisture and salinity in the polar oceans. It insulates the relatively warm ocean water from the cold polar atmosphere, except where cracks, or leads, in the ice allow exchange of heat, and water vapour from ocean, to atmosphere, in winter. The number of leads determines where, and how much heat and water are lost to the atmosphere, which may affect local cloud cover and precipitation.”

            http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/sotc/sea_ice.html

            “Less ice also contributes to higher air temperatures by allowing transfer of heat from the relatively warmer ocean.”

            http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2014/03/

            ”… the release of heat to the atmosphere from the open water is up to 100 times greater than the heat conducted through the ice.”

            Zwally, H. Jay, et al. Antarctic sea ice, 1973-1976: Satellite passive-microwave observations. No. NASA-SP-459. NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION WASHINGTON DC, 1983.

            http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA278193

            There is a PDF from dtic.mil:

            http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA278193

            Antarctic sea ice, 1973-1976: Satellite passive-microwave observations

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “AGW to date (say from 1880) is generally agreed to by .8C.”

            You are 20 years out of date…

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c2b7bb6b33244c1085315d4e8daa39dc06e974dfc6d2c155a2882c3da3a9de.jpg

            By the way.. What happened to the Pause that you denialists have been lying about for the last quarter century?

            I don’t see it.

          • david russell

            That’s dishonest and unscientific baloney. .8C is still the accepted value, as the 2015-16 el Nino has to be discounted. Already land temps are down 1.2C from their el Nino high. Ocean temps should follow. It’s what happened after the last big el Nino in 1997-98.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar… Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “we were just coming out of the very cold LIA” – Pure ignorance

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da5aa178a4bf65d82bbd187f388bf68516dff29c96f7e3cc5ee1ce1a15d9747a.jpg

          • david russell

            sd

          • TheDudeofVoo

            unattributed graph … Plagiarist!

          • socalpa

            Cute Graft !

            In Christmas colors !

            Complete speculation , but still ..pretty !

          • TheDudeofVoo

            unattributed, as well.

          • socalpa

            Try not to take the election and the coming installation of the climate change industry into the dustbin of history too hard. Vendicar .

            Maybe you could start a SAVE THE HURRICANES campaign ?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nature will ignore Trump and the other science deniers of course, just as nature ignored the vapid anti-science political pontifications that were so prevalent in the Dark Era.

            America is positioning itself as the principle enemy of the world.

            Good luck with that. LOL!

          • socalpa

            Nature has ignored the breathless predictions of the “climate experts” for decades ..Vendicar .

            A few quick examples ;

            The predictions that Arctic summer ice will be gone by 2013/14/15/16 .Arctic ice now projected to increase next decade .

            Antarctica, (90% of global ice) was claimed to be decreasing in mass, contributing to sea level rise .NASA showed last year the opposite was true, Antarctic ice mass increasing ,reducing sea level ,for decades .

            The upper layers of the global oceans have been cooling since 2000.

            The expected water vapor “feedback” did not occur , the water vapor in the critical lower stratosphere declined after 97/98 . total water vapor flat to declining .

            Global storm activity (ACE) has declined since mid 90s, reaching the lowest levels in over 40 years after 2005.

            The dreaded “ocean acidification” ,predicted die off of plankton did not occur, the opposite occurred ,plankton increased by 10x in a 45 year ocean study .

            America the “Enemy of the World” ? For refusing to ration energy by taxing and share those taxes with countries that do nothing ?

            Too bad..

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, in exactly the same way that it will be anecdotal that the bullet that is put into your brain was what killed you.

            There is only one you, and we would have to conduct the experiment with another you to have any scientific evidence that it killed you.

          • Taluca Lake

            I hope you’re not paranoid…but you should know that people are laughing at you.

          • I take it this climatedepot is a hangout for conservative climate deniers? Y”all pretty much comin outta the woodwork.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, Climate depot is a Republican/Libertarian site run by a lying corporate propagandist that feeds lies to moron science deniers.

          • david russell

            You could be right. Of course, now we are IN CHARGE. Be afraid.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I spend the election night laughing my ass off.

            At racist, fascist, morons like you.

            Your idiocy will be remembered for centuries to come.

            LOL!

          • socalpa

            “Laughing” ?

            You aren’t “laughing” at all , unless you define hurling invective and bile in a display of impotent rage “laughing” ,,

            But, by all means, continue … very …. entertaining !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I’m quite capable of laughing at the ignorant apes while at the same time outing them as the dumbest things to have ever breathed air.

            LOL. Ignorant Vermin. Kill yourself now.

          • socalpa

            Ho ! Ho ! HO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s the Spirit ! An online bile … explosion ! Awesome !

            What do you plan for an encore ?

          • david russell

            You should have spent that night assembling a Trump portfolio to invest in the next day. You’d now be laughing all the way to the bank.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I laughed all the way to the bank when Bush flushed the U.S. economy down the toilet.

            With Trump planning to borrow and spend another 10 trillion to stimulate the U.S. economy, and drive down the value of the U.S. dollar. I’m in cash waiting for the crash.

            You remember. The Crash that Drumpf himself predicted.

            LOL!

          • david russell

            What Trump is proposing is pure Keynes, but on steroids — stimulate demand by government spending, lowering taxes, creating/freeing $2.2T of money from overseas in corporate accounts.

            The risk of all this is inflation, of course. If the Fed goes along with Trump as I’ve suggested (using helicopter money), then the risk to interest rates getting out of hand because of too much supply is mitigated. What remains is the question of whether whatever inflation we do get from say excess demand or wage demand exceed growth from the plan. Right now risking too much demand and labor shortages seems preferable to the morass we seem to be stuck in.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            “What Trump is proposing is pure Keynes, but on steroids” – David Russell

            Keynesian economics does not propose or support the stimulation of the economy during periods of economic growth – as we have now. In fact it holds that such periods be used to create a reserve of wealth which would be used to stimulate the economy during the next economic down turn.

            Reagan was the first president to stimulate the U.S. economy during a period of economic boom. The result was to put the nation on a path to bankruptcy.

            Economists estimate that Trumps economic plan will increase America’s national debt by 10 trillion too 30 trillion over the next 8 years.

            LOL! What happened to all of the Republican whining about Obama spending 5 trillion to keep the U.S. from entering a grand economic depression?

            LOL! Republican Scumbags.

          • david russell

            Trump may have won the elections as a Republican, but in reality he’s a businessman. I won’t quibble with you. Keynes wrote his stuff during the depression. In essence his notion was that the government should step in with fiscal stimulation during times of inadequate demand (and that describes the current reality).

          • david russell

            In a fiat world, sovereign government debt is ….money.

            What is the dollar bill in your wallet other than a zero coupon, perpetual, physical US govt bond?

            And thus what does “paying off a governmental bond” mean other than exhanging one govt IOU for another?

            The danGerman of creating too much debt is creating inflation and higher interest rates. Right now those dangers are exactly what the Fed wants. Yellen and cruel are partying hardy that Trump won IMO.

          • TL123

            Gore is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life. -paraphrase from Manchurian Candidate (1962)

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Many people admire Gore. Especially businessmen, engineers, and Scientists.

          • Ira Moe

            . . . and American “outcome Based Education”.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, it’s horrible to base success on actual success.

          • LINER011

            The tornado scale has been changed from F to EF to include economic damage. This will statistically result in more big tornadoes and it will fool a lot of people like Bill Maher and Tom Freidman. But there really is zero climate change, just more targets for the same tornadoes to hit as our population grows.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            This year, tornado numbers are down.

            Sounds like you need something to complain about.

          • GetItRight2016

            Criminalizing “man caused climate change deniers” are the witch trials/inquisition of the 21st century.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            We don’t like Liars. So we don’t like people like you. You know. Denialist scumbags.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21b1be29b8bf91926074f068573ecb06d58ecdc4839032ccfd709816cb25843c.jpg

          • socalpa

            Silly Graft by Barry .

            Totally false . Marcott in his supplemental stated the 20th century “spike” was “not robust” and not relied on for his conclusions .see his interview on Realclimate .

            Rosenthal et al 2013 showed oceans 1.5C – 2.4C warmer during the Holocene Thermal Maximum and 0.65C warmer during the Medieval Warm Period you frauds have tried to erase . Values confirmed in 2,000 year global sea surface temp reconstruction by Oceans 2k 2015 .Both MWP and LIA and HTM shown global.

            What a BSer you are .. really ..

          • Maninina

            The sad conclusion is that Progressives like to lie and connect natural issues to subdue and exploit general ignorance…
            Totally fascist manipulation of science!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            “connect natural issues” – Maninina

            You mean like the connection between little black dots seen in laboratory slides and disease?

            You Republican kooks really do live in the 1400’s don’t you?

          • steveafrikaner

            And by the Catholic Church, for centuries.

          • Deploribus Unum

            Best explanation on the topic I’ve read. Kudos!

          • You’re showing your bias. Capitalists have proven themselves quite adept at coerive propaganda. No one does it better than the Koch Brothers and all their phony high-minded-sounding foundations. Sounds to me like your’e another of those who only get half the story because you just want your media to validate your weak conclusions!

          • BigAl

            The media echo chamber has repeated so many lies that it has proven itself worthless. IF that’s where you get your “consensus” it’s no wonder you’re misinformed.

          • Thats because politicians have learned they’ll get ahead by misinforming you to make themselves and their positions look better than they are. Newsgathering is incredibly labor intensive…especially ferreting out facts the news makers want to keep secret. So yes, they lie, mislead you, quote phony research. On the other hand media corporations have cut staffs because advertising revenue is lower, being shared by so many other outlets wanting those same ad dollars.

            So today most media fills time between commercials, and goes after the low hanging fruit. Gone are the days we got days or weeks to research a paper trail story. Most reporters have to turn a story a day. Serious research is impossible, especially in a sea of propaganda. Don’t blame the media, blame the liars who will do anything, SAY anything to get elected. Trust me…it didn’t used to be this way. The best thing a news consumer can do is hone and sharpen their bs detectors, watch visual cues and watch other media to find out as much as you can what the truth is. It ain’t on FOX. There are few TV reporters good enough to dig up truth… most just hold the microphones to the mouths of the surrogates to get a soundbite or two.

          • BigAl

            James O’Keefe laughs at your rant.

          • In Trump’s America, lots of low brows laugh at what others say. THey don’t know, they don’t care, they have no respect for reason. Trump’s proven you can win by doing it. So much for the kinder, gentler, more reasoned dialogue. Social media ANONYMOUS commenters fight right into the model. Wonder how come Barron is so passive in public?

            As I look at the expressions on their older children, I see verbal abuse scars. He has the money and they know it. The people around him have to suck up to him becasue they’ve seen what he does to those who don’t. Like his politial adversaries. He strikes me as the kind of guy who says to his contractors, you take what I pay you or I’ll see to it you never work in New York again.

            Look at Barron, the only ten year old boy in America who wears a coat and tie. Right out of Richie Rich!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Republicans have lost the ability to distinguish between reality and Conservative fantasy land.

          • Capt. Harlock

            How’s the view from the Ashbin of History, Hillbot?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Sorry Capt. I’m not an American so unlike America, I have a future.

          • Glenn Festog

            They have reality TV in your country too? When’s your appearance? Lol

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Reality TV” – Glenn Fisting

            Who knows. :”Reality TV” is something watched by Gutter Tripes.

            You know.. People like you.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c2b7bb6b33244c1085315d4e8daa39dc06e974dfc6d2c155a2882c3da3a9de.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            It is excellent. We are still laughing our asses off over the Joke that was the U.S. presidential election, with it’s Tiny hands Clown Republican candidate and his porn star wife who is now America’s first lady.

            LOL.

            How are you enjoying the fact that your selection has already changed his mind regarding his for top promises he made during his dishonest campaign?

            No Wall, no prosecution of Hillary (of course, she committed no crimes), backtracking on global warming, Etc.. Etc.. Etc..

            Suckersssssssssssssssssssssssssssss………

          • Glenn Festog

            Democrats have lost the ability to distinguish between a democratic Republic and a Monarchy. Purple Revolution anyone? The color of Kings…….., the poor deluded fools.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Meanwhile Republicans have elected their new king. Clown Car, Donald Drumpf.

            Good luck with that.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d49b98a7cab40df396aff652610ead1ed53263c581d95b326642c61839723faf.jpg

          • Glenn Festog

            You left out Independents and crossover Dems! Lol
            Notice how Hillery and the DNC DID NOT call for a “recount”; there’s your sign! Lol

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Glen Fisting – “recount”

            Unlike Republicans, Democrats can count. So no recounts are needed.

            What happened to Trump’s claim that the campaign was rigged?

            Oh ya.. That was a lie too.

            LOL!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Glen Fisting – “recount”

            Unlike Republicans, Democrats can count. So no recounts are needed.

            What happened to Trump’s claim that the campaign was rigged?

            Oh ya.. That was a lie too.

            LOL!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c2b7bb6b33244c1085315d4e8daa39dc06e974dfc6d2c155a2882c3da3a9de.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Well, lets see. The American Republic is a system in which a few political elite land holders elect the president, and where the people’s vote means nothing.

            A Monarchy is what Trump is creating in New York.

          • FaceReality

            Wow, given the repeated exposure of the of the false GWA narrative, there’s nowhere to begin with idiots like you. You should have gone to a real school snowflake.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “the false GWA narrative” – FaceofStupidity

            Direct measurement calls you a liar.

            So do I.

            By the way, what happened to the pause that you denialists were lying about for the last 25 years.

            Where did it go, Scumbag?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/274b2a360893ebb221f97c4fe2dbeb118a89709da81f34a62a79d391d5b069b8.png

          • Face-Reality

            Your pretty charts and numbers are numbers are wrong, been proven repeatedly, go peddle your BS to other libtards.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Your pretty charts and numbers are wrong” – FaceOfIgnorance.

            So you reject peer review science in favor of you own personal non-science nonsense.

            That is why you and your kind are the laughing stock of the world.

            LOL!

          • thedingo8

            i was going to follow you, but then i realized you have cut and pasted the same drivel 35000xs.. enjoy your total insigificance…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You managed to read 30,000 emails in just a few hours?

            You should submit a resume to the FBI.

            You could have cleared Clinton of the charges leveled against her by Republican Liars, in record time.

            Glacier mass balance.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6d3a4a60552d30182ca0cc27c8ab8ce0dd75ee5d164776907c5e32499b2a1f96.png

          • thedingo8

            Lol your Internet drivel isn’t emails..just a brief synopsis of your empty insignificance. As proven above. Read one read them all..enjoy

          • Kevin Butterfield

            Ad libs. That’s where you’re at for as far as the eye can see.

            Democrats have lost the ability to distinguish between reality and Liberal fantasy land.

          • Guest_User

            Says the Canadian alcoholic….

          • Anything’s easy for an anonymous internet poster to claim. You trash more learned people because if you give them credibility, you won’t have it? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5eff15667c60488203db3e46d41319d77cd3e91945e54deb4e2c74f0a65cfb01.jpg

          • Boriqua ConHambrre

            Love it

          • LINER011

            Most on the the Global Warming believers justify their position based on the phony 97% consensus. Trump should take a real survey of scientists. And not just scientists whose very career depends on this hoax.

          • Tobias J

            Peer-review is better than ignorant group-think.

          • John D

            Depends on the peer doesn’t it….. Fool

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Actually most of us who know the earth is warming, know it because direct measurement tells us that it is.

            But you are right about the 97% consensus. It is much closer to 100% today.

          • John D

            The 97% is a huge lie.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Freakishly high temperatures in the Arctic driven by heat-packed oceans and northward winds have been reinforced by a “vicious circle” of climate change, scientists said Thursday.

            Air above the Polar ice cap has been 9-12 degrees Celsius (16.2 to 21.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above average during the last four weeks, according the data from the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), which tracks hourly changes in Arctic weather.

            And during several days last week, temperatures above the North Pole were a balmy zero degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit), a full 20C (36F) above the levels typical for mid-November, said Martin Stendel, a DMI climate researcher based in Copenhagen.

            “This is by far the highest recorded” in the era of satellite data, starting in 1979, he told AFP.

            “What we are observing is very unusual.”

            At this time of year, open Arctic ocean exposed by sea ice melted away in summer should be freezing again, with thousands of square kilometres icing over every day.

            But that has not been happening, at least not at the same pace, said Stendel.

            “Not only was the ice not growing as it would normally, there was further melting due to warm air coming in,” he explained by phone.

            The US National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that sea ice extent in October was the lowest on record, some 6.4 million square kilometres (2.5 million square miles).

            Ice cover at the top of the globe shrank to its smallest area in 2016—some 4.14 million sq km (1.6 million sq miles)—on September 16.

          • TheDudeofVoo
          • TheDudeofVoo
          • King_Solomon1

            THROW FRIEDMAN, OBAMA, PELOSI AND GORE ON AN ICEBERG IN THE ARTIC AND LETS SEE IF GLOBAL WARMING SAVES THEM

          • Old Hickory

            That would make you guilty of dumping toxic waste and a violation of the Clean Water Act.

          • lax

            Great…we can send the entire EPA there to investigate this travesty.

          • Old Hickory

            I thought travesties could choose where they go. Or at least which bathroom to use.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “I thought travesties ” – Old Hick

            No doubt they are foremost on your mind.

          • Kangster

            lol

          • Mel Carbon

            In a leaky rowboat.

          • BruceMichaelGrant

            No…it would be releasing whales and otters back into their natural habitat.

          • Glenn Festog

            I object to that description! It’s definitely goblin shark in Hillary’s case! Lol

          • CitizenK

            LOVE that idea!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Stick a red hot poker up your ass and see if your guts spill out after being fried and burned.

            I think they will.

          • Swinefloo

            So how many of Gores predictions came true in that fear mongering documentary? Thought so. We are under water now i think he predicted. Funny how rich has become

          • Kangster

            Go back and watch the movie 2012 sometime. It’s a hoot!

          • Swinefloo

            Lol its insane. he created a cult out of fear mongering and weak minded people on the left bought it.

            I mean people do want to protect the earth and keep the air clean. But what these nuttjobs are doing is insane

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Gore made no predictions, but did correctly and accurately stated the projections of science.

            Depending on the projection, those projections were made for the year 2100 +.

            Why are you dishonestly implying that they were for any time sooner?

            Do you live to lie? Or are you just a dupe who would rather believe the Deplorable lies told to you by other Deplorable Denialists?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4806625d7eedda7d2f505793189368ae6a9b8fa6c6713a205b2f80aecbc297a1.gif

          • Swinefloo

            You sound like a sheep who bought into gores fear mongering.

            Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008. He told them that “the entire North ‘polarized’ cap will disappear in 5 years.”

            Its funny you ignore the many prominant scientists that claim you climate fear mongerers are delusional.

          • Swinefloo

            The truth is, noone for sure can say any climate change is linked to humans and if so how much? You just buy the propaganda.

            How much money has gore made on this by the way?

            And, of course, there are the more than 31,000 American scientists (to date) who have signed a petition challenging the climate change narrative and 9,029 of them hold PhDs in their respective fields. But hey, Al Gore and his cronies havealso ignored that inconvenient truth, as well.

            Many of those scientists who signed the petition were likely encouraged to speak out in favor of the truth after retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist John L. Casey revealed that solar cycles are largely responsible for warming periods on Earth – not human activity.

          • Steven

            Wow I guess we know what your secret fantasies are…gross

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Don’t you know that the red hot poker method is how some people kill animals without damaging their fur?

            We should preserve your skin and put your hollow carcass on display in a museum as one of the dumbest, people who ever walked the earth.

            Antarctic ice is melting rapidly.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f78d79ef02aa788197a7f8aed42ace6c341836039a427458bfc8735fcebb20b.gif

          • disqus_jFrGDAiBHO brian

            i’ll bet if he could get your mouth off of his asshole he might be able to try it

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I see. So in the fantasy universe you live in, you give lip service to your enemies backside.

            That isn’t how we do it here on planet earth.

            Ice loss in Greenland (red = ice loss).

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d49b98a7cab40df396aff652610ead1ed53263c581d95b326642c61839723faf.jpg

          • disqus_jFrGDAiBHO brian

            oh, i get it, you pretend to be the resident expert at who is credible andwho is to be dismissed. well, so am i and you are dismissed

          • Guest_User

            Before he does, if he gets as besotted as you, he won’t feel a thing…actually; did you already take a test ride with the poker?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You are evidently chronically drunk or stoned. Is that how you cope with being such a spectacularly ignorant, loser?

            LOL!

          • Glenn Festog

            Look, it’s skankhunt42…, not! Lol

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Skankhunt” – Glenn Fisting

            I don’t see Anne Coulter here. You are hallucinating.

          • Whitey

            An Inuit would confuse algore with a walrus and put a harpoon up his fat ass.

          • Dingo

            You would think that even the Left would get tired of being lied to eventually. The media told them comforting lies that it was 90-95% certain that Brexit and Trump would lose. They also blew the 2015 UK Parliamentary election and the 2014 US midterm election. They haven’t gotten one right since 2012. And some on the Left ARE beginning to notice.

          • gcarroll247

            the left is not getting tired of being lied to they are the ones doing the lying about climate change it is just about getting money a way for the left to get big money from people and company’s who thinks it true

          • Dingo

            Certainly the hard-core in the media won’t stop lying. But the poor dupes in their audience are leaving – even if it’s happening too slowly for my taste.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The left is getting tired of being lied to by Republicans.

            I have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar.

          • James Fahnestock

            I’m not lying. I’ll hunt you down like frightened prey, squash your head and shove you in the pot.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            There are so many Mentally Ill Republicans like James Fahnestock.

            Pathetic Losers.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21b1be29b8bf91926074f068573ecb06d58ecdc4839032ccfd709816cb25843c.jpg

          • Leslie Parsons

            Vendicar, you are totally delusional

          • Guest_User

            That happens to him because Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner are hydraulic.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            My reality is based on scientific measurement and expert observation.

            The Conservative reality is based on willful ignorance and deceit.

            That is why you were so duped into the Iraq war crime and more recently the election of Donald Drumpf.

            LOL. You Stupid.. Stupid… Stuuuuuuuuuupid suckers.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d417f7a8a927588352665368fd10fa78f661e9f01deccaf33c4b57a8dd7676fa.png

          • Kevin Kline

            I agree to that point. Both parties are trash. But I am not buying to the lyin’ left crap either!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nature has a very strong leftist bias.

            That is why universities are bastions of Liberalism and always will be.

            You can’t be a honest, moral person and not be a Liberal.

            You can’t be a Republican without being a filthy, lying, scumbag.

            By the way. Have you noticed that 2016 is warmer than every other year for the last 120,000 years?

            Does the significance of that register in your tiny little brain?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/150c2529b1e707a812367749fff450d70dae6905231cbb6633e1270ec7b30bd2.jpg

          • George Orwell

            Are the Democrats still paying trolls?

            How much are you getting to act like a fool?

          • Guest_User

            Actually, his method is to get plastered first. They pay him in Canadian Whiskey.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Not as much as you are being paid to be one,.

            Have you noticed that the world now warmer than at any time in the last 120,000 years?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39771dcd8fe292e0a59c7207aa3a9ac665b054829fe36533ba204669c076fd16.png

          • Jo Penny

            Name a few, asshole, or at least tell us why they would bother lying to YOU.
            Also, lose your delusion that the “Left” is half the country. The minorities you pander
            to could not care less about liberalism. They vote (D) for totally different reasons.
            You are part of a self-hating white SMALL minority who thinks they’re smarter than everyone.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “If I am elected I will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate your situation.” – Donald Drumpf to Hillary Clinton.

            Trump just announced that he wouldn’t appoint anyone to investigate Clinton.

            LOL!

            Where is Trump’s magnificent tall wall? Suddenly it’s a small border fence to be placed in some areas.

            LOL!

            Fact checkers found that 86% of Drumpf’s statements were complete fabrications.

            Where have you been for the last year, Deplorable Clown?

            LOL!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec22bd722369d7e973ed1fc20cfa52f9fac4b5cda83ed787b812478ea1a35e85.jpg

          • Rascal69

            I did not realize Hillary Clinton is a Republican! Who knew?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya, Republicans tell all kinds of lies. For example all of the Deplorabls I’ve seen talk about George Bush claim that he was really a Democrat.

            Republican Lies, Lies.. Lies..

            Drumpf is just as bad of course. Fact checkers found that he lies 86 percent of the time.

            Republicans love liars, and love being lied to. That is why the elected both congenital liars into the presidency.

            As to Clinton, She is the #1 person Republicans lie about.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. liar… Pants on firel

            “They haven’t gotten one right since 2012” – Dingo

            Actually they have had the science right since 1840 when Lord Kelvin correctly estimated the amount of warming that would occur with a doubling of CO2.

          • RobNClt

            Has slipped, that’s why they are the lowest rating in history and dying. No one with an ounce of common sense believes anything the left wing media propaganda machine publishes or posts online. These people have lost all of their credibility. Reading articles written by those propaganda sites is worse than reading the National Inquirer (they actually got a few articles right when the left wing media failed to report on them), what does that say about them?

          • bobdog19006

            You dare to insult Mother Gaia? Aside from somehow destroying Donald Trump and everything he represents by any means possible and killing off all those who encourage him in the most gruesome manner possible, Global Cooling WarmingClimate Change is the most vital issue facing the world today. They ignored dinosaur flatulence, and just look at what happened. You’ve been warned.

            The Three Laws are perfect. Our logic is undeniable. Please remain in your homes for your own safety. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f890f9002ed5e0504e985a23cbda21c02e8a204f4e22f4446c0a2e3a9907cd50.jpg

          • BigAl

            Nature is a Mother.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nature is Father

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Actually the election of the perpetual liar Donald Drumpf proves that a plurality of Republicans aren’t smart enough to know what is an isn’t a Republican lie.

            You can’t get more stupid than Republican stupid.

          • Swinefloo

            Way bahhh u sheep

          • Guest_User

            Doggone. I think, if you were pulled over, you’d be about ready to blow a 0.3 by now. The miracle is how you can still type.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Freakishly high temperatures in the Arctic driven by heat-packed oceans and northward winds have been reinforced by a “vicious circle” of climate change, scientists said Thursday.

            Air above the Polar ice cap has been 9-12 degrees Celsius (16.2 to 21.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above average during the last four weeks, according the data from the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI), which tracks hourly changes in Arctic weather.

            And during several days last week, temperatures above the North Pole were a balmy zero degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit), a full 20C (36F) above the levels typical for mid-November, said Martin Stendel, a DMI climate researcher based in Copenhagen.

            “This is by far the highest recorded” in the era of satellite data, starting in 1979, he told AFP.

            “What we are observing is very unusual.”

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c2b7bb6b33244c1085315d4e8daa39dc06e974dfc6d2c155a2882c3da3a9de.jpg

            At this time of year, open Arctic ocean exposed by sea ice melted away in summer should be freezing again, with thousands of square kilometres icing over every day.

            But that has not been happening, at least not at the same pace, said Stendel.

            “Not only was the ice not growing as it would normally, there was further melting due to warm air coming in,” he explained by phone.

            The US National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that sea ice extent in October was the lowest on record, some 6.4 million square kilometres (2.5 million square miles).

            Ice cover at the top of the globe shrank to its smallest area in 2016—some 4.14 million sq km (1.6 million sq miles)—on September 16.

          • TL123

            Need to get airports and hotels to dump the rubbish newspaper & magazine subscriptions and to dump the cable channels that default to CNN–around the world. Need computers to list Yahoo, MSN, etc as garbage sites.

          • Sam Pyeatte

            One has to verify everything. There is so much BS and propaganda out there coming from the far-left that you have to assume nothing they say is true, even to themselves.

          • Wiley Coyote

            Although, to a considerable degree, propaganda properly controlled can be highly effective and influential, what happens when a state of super saturation of particularly shrill, over the top propaganda is attained, it has entirely the opposite effect on people. In other words, people don’t mind suggestions as to what to do, but damned if they’re going to take being told what to do.

          • winstonsmith84

            All our lives we’ve been lied too by our government. Thank God people are waking up to the fact.

          • Jim Mason

            Mainly thanks to the internet, but they will control that soon too, so there goes that.

          • Eldjr

            I like it. May we call this epiphany, “The Rise of Critical Thinking”?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The victory of Trump is a testament to how stupid Republicans are.

            Trump isn’t even president and he is already walking away from his own top 4 campaign promises….

            You stupid… Stupid.. Suckers……

            LOL… The world is laughing at you.

        • Alan

          “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Clark’s 3rd Law.

          The average person, who decided in grade school that math & science were too hard and chose not to understand as much of it as they could, puts “scientists” (including people, like climatologists, who analyze and study but can’t really do experimental verification of their hypotheses) in the class of “elite experts, people I have to believe in”.

          Unfortunately, our elites are failing us.

          • Dingo

            It is the great crime of Progressives:

            They promised us scientific policy. They gave us politicized science.

          • BigAl

            Politics tends to poising everything it touches. That is why the Founding Fathers insisted on limited government, confining that contamination to the absolute minimum required.

          • jamcar

            With global warming, as with any scientific endeavor, there are things that we know that we know, things that we know that we don’t know, and things that we don’t know that we don’t know. To state that “the science is settled” is to completely deny scientific method. If there are any “deniers” in this argument, it is those who believe the science is settled – denying that there is anything else to learn.

          • BeanTown Benny

            Yet liberals and media are tunnel focused on awg as though it was the Pythagorean theorem.

          • TheAntiProgressive

            A long time ago, the Earth is Flat was “settled science”.

          • BeanTown Benny

            Liberals politicize everything. They have no choice, reality is not on their side.

          • annieoakley

            Very true.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            So Fool Republicans decided to elect a member of the elite to the presidency.

            LOL.. What a pack of fools

            Unfortunately, our elites are failing us.

          • Steven

            Ahhh wacko liberal tears. St? This far after the election? Perhaps you can retreat back to your “safe space” (grandma’s basement) for a few more years

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Ahhh wacko liberal tears.” – Stephen

            Actually I was laughing my ass off, even louder when the intellectual inferior George Bush Jr was elected to office by the same pack of degenerate losers.

            LOL!

            There is nothing I love to see more than a nation of pathetic losers being punished by the results of their own intellectual inferiority.

            What a spectacular pack of Losers Americans are.

            Clowns.

            The world is laughing at you.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e0cb234143e4196c0e23c2fa15726814e680a4aa5630d220f488a1c09ccaffb.jpg

          • Rascal69

            You mean Gruber?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You think that Republicans elected someone named Gruber to be the next U.S. president??

            That is why the world is laughing at you.

        • Joejoesing

          The idiots are out of power now. I pray trump starts to feel his power and continues to be undeterred by the loony leftist LOSERS

        • Walter Mayyfield

          AGW doesn’t even pass the smell test. It defies logic. You would have to be living in a bubble to believe the “consensus” science.

          • deplorableinwa

            There’s still a pretty big bubble out there

          • Dingo

            Are you saying my bubble is fat?

          • Dingo

            Well DC and Manhattan are bubbles. People there don’t have to deal with reality because they prosper by stealing from the rest of us. Guess which areas gave Hillary her greatest margin of victory.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          re: like it is saying it is gospel to an illiterate medieval person..

          Republicans today are just as ignorant if not more so.

          Deplorable.

        • krusatyr

          Climate Kahunas have ripped off peasants for eons, frightenin them with earthquakes, floods, droughts and pestilence and demandin sacrifices be brought to the temple to prevent catastrophes.

          When the cyclical events happen anyway, the Shamans shout: “Insufficient sacrifice! Bring us more!”

          I am not fooled by the ancient climate cult but, in the interest of stopping pollution, would like Razafornians to please quit throwin steamin green diaper burritos out their windaz.

        • SpaceBlue

          So, in your leftist, elitist mind you feel that the average person today is an illiterate peasant? Who might even worship his God? You are not only a fool, thinking of yourself as the only “knowledgeable” person in this thread, but you are a mountebank as well. Most real people, not bigots like yourself, have given thought intensely over time about AGW, and come to several conclusions.
          1. The science needed to come to an accurate evaluation of AGW and its impact on the planet is still very much lacking.
          2. The contribution of mankind to AGW is still unknown with any certainty.
          3. Any contribution of mankind to AGW may be trivial compared to other natural contributors.
          4. That there might be a “tipping point” from which it will be impossible to recover is pure conjecture.
          5. Whether or not the earth goes through cycles of more or less greenhouse gasses has been determined as a fact, but we still do not really understand what causes those cycles.
          6. And, we could impoverish everyone in the world trying to “correct” something that may not even need correcting. Just think of the billions or even trillions of US dollars that have already been spent.

          Why don’t you spend a little time catching up on your education, and not letting your alligator mouth getting your hummingbird ass into trouble. God bless (from one of those Bible-thumping, ignorant medieval peasants).

          • homerc

            Love your Bible-thumping, ignorant medieval peasants though processes!! You have it right!

          • SpaceBlue

            The word you really meant was “thought”. There, I fixed it for you. Is that all you have?

        • smitty

          Warm summer..ugh..sun god must be mad..we need to do a sacrifice…

      • John (magnum)

        The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and insome places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway

        Reportsfrom fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

        Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

        Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.

        Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

        Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

        Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

        * * *
        * * * * * *
        I must apologize.

        I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post – 93 years ago.

        This must have been caused by the Model T Ford’s emissions or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence?

        .

        .

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        • dobbyman

          Do you think that 10 Million Volcanoes under the Oceans could have just a little bit to do with the ocean waters warming? (that is a volcano on average every 10 square miles under the ocean) – while considering there has been allot of earthquake activity and land volcanoes erupting that we can see – and the earth’s magnetic field has a significant problem going on now – that just may be upsetting the earth’s balance – and that every planet in our solar system has been warming up. https://iceagenow.info/many-ten-million-underwater-volcanoes/#more-19110

          • Bob Olson

            I am pretty sure you are extremely misinformed, or a troll. 10 million volcanoes under the ocean? Really?! You may need to put the bong down for a few weeks to let your head clear.

          • Minxey

            Methinks he didn’t finish reading the post…

          • dobbyman

            Sorry, i will not allow you to have your own version of the facts while you correspond on this board irresponsibly. A responsible person would have read the source link that i provided and noticed that there is establishment science acknowledging the large amount of volcanoes. Also I am not a troll and part of the space industry and so have paid some attention to celestial/solar system activity as measure by Science – but you don’t even acknowledge what I wrote about that either. Your behavior shows why your ilk just get it so wrong.

          • BeanTown Benny

            The planet is basically one big volcanoe looking for the path of least resistance.

          • krusatyr

            Climate Priests’ proclamations the equivalent of:

            Volcanoes = Hot lava zits.

            Quit throwin greasy garbage into land fills, improve earth’s complexion.

          • Bryan St. Louis

            Pretty sure Earth axis has shifted… my estimation is it is now at 40 degrees. How we going to fix that Obama? Give some of your friends more government grants, and tax payer money? What happens when they go bankrupt? Bail them out you say? Great idea. A double whammy. This POS needs to be placed on trial as a warning to future leftists.

          • Bryan St. Louis

            Everything in the heliocentric model originates from the sun. Whether by ‘gravity’ or by particles and waves.

            Now if you’re talking internal planetary mechanics then that is much more complicated. We have NO idea what is going on beneath our feet. We see some effects, but what’s the cause? For all we know there could be giant machines underground either running on oil or producing oil. (Many capped oil wells are being reopened after decades and being found full again).

            Point is, if our geomagnetic field fails we will all be living underground or in black dome communities. Man cannot defeat the universe. Maybe in 100 generations…

        • JackP32

          Very well done John.

        • Kevin Turner

          BRAVO, John!!!

        • Michael

          ROFLMFAO!!

      • VendicarDecarian0

        The moment you began lying about scientists falsifying data was the day you became an enemy of mankind.

      • Bocon

        Its become a multi billion dollar business. gore et al! All part of the globalization scam!

        • lostinnm

          The albedo of the earth has been changed by over 20%, living in a passive solar home(15yr) the past 4 years have been less efficient by about 25%. In NM our vast sunny sky has been clouded at least 5 of 7 days a week. The weather modification is off the scale and we are being sprayed like bugs. 40 years ago there were no man made clouds or grey outs like there are today. This insanity must stop.

          • Bocon

            This may sound glib but is not intended that way. I live in Florida most of the year and my utilities have remained constant. Not (solar passive). We have had no appreciable change in sunny days or not? Perhaps solar passive of 15 yrs ago was not on the same scale it is now? 15 yrs ago solar was considered break through technology. I don’t believe there are that many people who out an out refute changes in climate/weather. I think the debate is the Dooms day scenario some paint compared to lets let technology catch up with the times.

          • lostinnm

            When you heat your home by passive solar… it is a bit different than paying a utility bill. From where I’m sitting I see a man made dooms day 5 out of 7 days @ about 30,000ft
            Have a Happy Thanksgiving

          • Steven

            Someone came across one hell of a tin foil sale

      • nifongnation
      • czervik

        The dishonest NYT knew he didn’t backtrack but put that story out. Why didn’t the new “fake news” filters catch that?

      • GreyGeek77

        The USSR had a similar debacle with Lysenkoism. Set back soviet biological science 40 years.
        The ONLY purpose for the AGW propaganda is the redistribution of wealth from America, primarily, to China and other Marxist hell holes.
        Gore’s Carbon Credits scam has only one purpose, besides making him rich, to “allow” China to burn however much coal it wants to burn, at our expense.

      • smitty

        There isn’t a consensus if other scientific studies can’t duplicate the results. It comes down to your word against theres..

      • Bill Petrey

        They also changed what they were fighting for. They fought to prevent global warming, then global cooling, then global warming, then they said screw it…. CLIMATE CHANGE. But luckily they were able to approve both global warming and global cooling using the same data. Still no skeptics. Strange.

        • Tobias J

          Fool. The IPCC was established in 1988. You know nothing. Stop posting nonsense. The most popular early term was global climate change. I prefer greenhouse heating myself.

      • ruthless terrier

        al gore said the entire north polarized ice cap would disappear by 2012.

      • pablosodahead

        And, if allowed to succeed, will be a direct attack against us, the civilians, the farmers, the builders, the production line, the drivers, housewives, …..all of us will be under the threat of prosecution, based upon false claims and twisted truths, with the full power of the federal government. Thank God for Trump.

      • Benof67

        Extremely well said.

      • Feel-icks

        Who specifically is “they”? … Specifically which data was falsfied? … how was it falsified when the data is collected by multiple scientific bodies worldwide … got the answers or are you just p*ssing in the wind?

      • Stef Delarge

        Exactly, and the moment political appointees of each Leftist nation-state leader became the authority on climate (it used to be called “global warming” until temperature stopped increasing), it ceased to be science. The IPCC is a POLITICAL organization.

      • Publius

        It’s all part of the same scam as journalists: ‘fake news’ and ‘fake science.’ All of it is just more of the left’s ‘fake truth.’ Satan comes as an angel of light.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        “The moment they began to falsify data…” – BigMoron

        There has been no falsification of data.. Moron.

    • JackVan

      There is a video of Van Jones telling his fellow members of the communist party to switch to the green party because they could better destroy capitalism using regulations and the courts. The creation of global cooling, switched to global warming and then climate change, is a movement to steal money from the people who produce and give it to the people wo don’t. Redistribution according to the needs of politicians, so they can line their pockets and make their friends rich. A simple combination of avarice, greed, jealousness and socialist ideology. All of you claiming these people are not scientists are correct, but you are not giving them their proper title. Progressive Socialist.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Then go with the Best temperature reconstruction also known a Berkeley Earth.

      That reconstruction uses no adjustments and shows precisely the same warming as all of the other estimates.

      LOL…. You are quite a fool, aren’t you?

      • Glenn Festog

        First, no one I know “denies” that climate changes, both warmer and
        colder, and for better and worse. Not so very long ago, U.S. cooling of
        about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit between 1945 and 1975 prompted The New York
        Times and other major news publications to headline “experts”
        trumpeting the arrival of a new ice age.

        During “modern times” the global climate has been warming in fits and
        starts since the last “little ice age” (not a true ice age) ended about
        200 years ago. Yet apart from entirely natural 1998 and 2015 ocean El
        Nino spikes, satellite and weather balloon measurements show no
        statistically-significant global warming for nearly two decades.

        U.S. surface records obtained from the most reliable thermometer
        stations — those not corrupted by local “heat island” influences such
        as instrument relocations, urban developments or other man-made changes —
        show no significant warming over the past 80 years. There have been
        more all-time U.S. cold records than heat records since the 1940s.

        Based upon the most reliable land surface data (UK Hadley Center, or
        “HADCRUT”), the average annual planetary warming between 1850 and 2015
        is virtually imperceptible . . . and certainly not “dangerous.”

        http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/climate-global-warming-ipcc/2016/05/31/id/731497/

        Who is more dangerous; a fool that leads or a fool that follows? lol

    • A guy who has no profile and doesn’t even display his prior comments isn’t in a position to declare to readers what facts are.

      • Shill harder

        • I’m not shilling. I’m expecting people who have learned and scholarly scientific study will put their names and alphabet soup after their learned opinions. People who shill voted for Trump. Course he’s already told us he knows more about ISIS than the Generals. I expect he knows more about the environment that those in that field, too.

          • Danny Kirton

            Haha Sorry but your last post outed your “shilliness”.

          • I might trust you more if you tell me your occupation, your level of education and area of study. Have you contributed any papers to the scientific community or do you just shill for the petroleum industry on partisan media comment pages? Ya know the Koch Brothers are the biggest debunkers of climate change…and they have a dog in the hunt.

            Are you really willing, based on your knowedge and study, to put all of the world’s populated coasts in jeopardy, as well as ocean life? In regional areas, we know man causes pollution. Action’s happened to clean up LA’s air… much more needs to be done around Beijing. Superfund in the US has cleaned up a lot of water pollution. Even if you’re not an evidence based scientist, you should see the obvious evidence. If you were in health care, you’d still be bleeding patients, wouldn’t you?

            Why is ignorance so arrogant? I’ve noticed the least qualified talk the loudest.

          • Michael

            Then tell us all about the science associated with the sun and how we’re entering what may be the second Maunder Minimum, a period referred to as the mini ICE AGE.

            Let’s hear some science on that.

          • Maybe the Sun God is mad at us. For centuries, we’ve resorted to magic and miracles when we couldn’t explain things. Instead of asking Me, michael, show us what you know and explain what will happen, when and why. Did you study this, or do you rely on media articles like “Climate Denying for Dummies?”

          • Michael

            I rely on my degrees in physics, math, engineering, and hi IQ, thank you very much!

            Research Maunder Minimum. You are smart enough to understand and use Google search, aren’t you?

          • Cool. Maybe you can provide me a link with a published position paper or two. What kind of physics is your specialty? Do you work in the academic community or private enterprise? Most all scientists settle into specialty areas. I’m not a scientific type but both my kids are. What’s your engr specialty or did you just get a degree? I thnk very few scientists ‘rely’ on their degrees, for we all know knowledge moves so quickly, one finds himself quickly out of date. Well, maybe math not so much.

          • Michael

            I work for industry.

            I did my research myself.

            When sunspots disappear, that means the magnetic activity of the sun decreases.

            Since a B field will repel fast moving charged particles (protons), a lower B field will allow more cosmic radiation to leave the sun and hit the upper atmosphere.

            This causes cloud nuclei to form and make more clouds. More clouds cool the planet.

            It is proven we have more severe winter weather during the normal sunspot minima cycles every 11 years. The winter of 1976-77, 84-85, 2008-2010.

            In 1880-81 there was a deep Minimum and you can read about that in Laura Ingalls Wilder’s book entitled “The Long Winter.”

            However if they disappear it will get brutally cold. That happened in the 1600s for several decades and the Thames river froze solid.

            There are several solar scientists saying that we are entering a period where we may not have sunspots for 30-40 years. If that happens, we will see another mini ice age as we did in the Maunder Minimum.

            If you look at the sunspot data it fits the best of any data out there with respect to climate change.

          • Michael

            This article is on the money. Current cycle 24 is very weak and dying 3 years earlier than normal: 25 spotless days so far.

            http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/06/25/the-sun-goes-blank-again-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/

            Here’s the scientist I’m watching now. Her models fit the unaltered data, which to me is the real science.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3156594/Is-mini-ICE-AGE-way-Scientists-warn-sun-sleep-2020-cause-temperatures-plummet.html

          • Well that was really good, Michael. I do wish you published your last name, but unnecessary really. I read both articles and have decided to post em because I have no materials on sun precipitated weather changes. So thanks.

            Just another thing. I’ve seen some press concerning expected changes in sea levels, caused by ‘warming’, and polar ice melting. Lots of photos out there showing time photos of polar ice over the past few years. And concerns the Navy has about rebuilding their sea harbors. As I’m sure you’ve seen, coastal changes would have an extreme impact on coastal populations around the world. In the past couple hundred years or more, we’ve extensively built up to shorelines.

            I’ve read with interest the global warming crowd, including scientists and pop guys like Al Gore has been to note cooling evidence and so has changed the moniker to “global change.”

            So what are we in for? Bad time to buy land in Florida? Waste of time to fix New Orleans…and serious issues related to NYC, buried train tunnels…and lord knows what else. Have you read anything about the rises or falls of coasts in the solar activity? Any evidence of much flooded coastal cities of the past centuries?

            And apart from your study which I read with interest, what data have you found credible related to man’s use of petroleum, the millions of car emissions, possible ramifications of limited or all out nuc war.

            What would serious temp changes do to the planet’s food supply…land and sea based? I know basic scientists get preoccupied with the evidentiary trends, but lots of us would like to know, I’m sure, what changes we’ll see in the next 2-300 years?

            I”ve read some on sealife after Fukishima even close to the North American coast…hardly good news. Maybe not as sexy as the Trumpster squeezing cute women, but more important, fer sure.

            Again thanks for your willingness to write back…and I hope you find an internet mechanism to spread what you’ve learned. Do you have a FB place that you and others write on? Or a website?

            I have most of my material linked to http://radiomankc.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html

            And I’ll be adding the links you have posted since my work is so light on science.

          • Michael

            Here’s you a tid bit on some of the data you need to reach a conclusion on what is happening.

            http://spaceweather.com

            Might want to bone up on Lorentz force as well:

            F = qE + q(V x B)

            Where E is electric field vector

            V is velocity vector

            B is magnetic field vector, and q is the charge of the comic rays (protons) the sun is emitting and striking our upper atmosphere.

            You can contact CERN (super collider) folks if you want to know what cosmic rays (protons) do when they strike the upper atmosphere…

            The rest is left as an exercise for the unlearned masses!

          • That sounds like basic study my son’s into theoretical chemistry. I didn’t even understand the names of his textbooks but that was then…I had seen this site before but hadn’t put it on my own aggregate pages. I’ll browse it. thanks for it.

            Since you profess some expertise, how about link to what you think is a credible summary– a climate change for dummies. I don’t have the years left to handle anything but climate change for dummies.

            I will say, I do place more credibility on scientific vitae than just a first name on Disqus! Do you spend most of your time doing internet forensics or do you contribute to the body of knowlege?

          • Michael

            http://realclimatescience.com

            This guy caught NASA changing data.

            His latest data shows the earth is cooling rapidly.

          • Michael

            I work in engineering making semiconductors. I look at stuff like this for a hobby. I love astronomy which was the birth place of physics.

            I can see the cooling effect here in Texas. The last 3 summers have been very mild for Texas. Usually we have weeks of 100 degree heat and that has not been happening, plus it is very wet.

    • GreyGeek77

      IF you download the FIOA 2009 CRU zip file and take a look at the 1,072 emails you can see their plans to lie and obfuscate the data.
      In the documents section is HARRY_README.TXT. Search on the profanity and you’ll find their own assessment of the state of the data on which Mann’s “Hockey Stick” graph was based. The data is, they said, trash, and the fellow maintaining it said it would not be possible to replicate Mann’s paper as the data was then, and he is wondering how Mann arrived at the graph. Easy, Mann hid the decline in temperatures and erased the Maunder Minimum and other cool periods.

    • OrangeMonkey

      It’s all settled science, don’t you know anything? 🙂

      • Tobias J

        Yes in the 1990s. There is no debate.

    • pablosodahead

      Right, Obama ?

    • Nick

      Bridgette’s definition of “lie”: it’s a “lie” if it’s something I don’t want to hear

      • Bridgette

        Oh Nick, you’re quite witty, but still a silly little fraction of a man.

        • Nick

          truth sucks sometimes, don’t it? seems I got under your skin; I’ve gotten thousands of insults from thousands of denialists like you – hasn’t changed my understanding of your “hoax”

    • Feel-icks

      It’s hot here

    • Grumpy Cat

      But, but, but….Hitler!

      • Publius

        LOL!

      • Bridgette

        Hitler was a Lefty!!

    • Dusty Thompson

      When these propagandists begin to live their own lives as they are demanding I live mine then I will consider Climate Change a small issue.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      All scientific data is adjusted, Bridgette.

      It is called data analysis.

      LOL. My goodness you are ignorant.

      • Bridgette

        You keep on believing that, my simple little Useful Idiot.

      • Bridgette

        So. Completely. In love. With yourself.

        Go rock that.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          4 fingers just aren’t enough for Bridgette.

    • VendicarDecarian0
    • cuchulain

      Yeah, but they never let facts stand in the way of leftardism.
      You have to institute an incessant tsunami of shame and polarization – their tactics – until they choke to death.

    • Gallilao

      The scientific fact is, that by definition a GHG must be transparent to solar radiation but there is no such thing as an atmospheric gas that is transparent to solar IR radiation, therefore, there is no such thing as a GHG, neither CO2, solar energy nor human beings, have any affect on climate and CO2 is a blessing and a gift, the more the better, and it is CO2 that holds out the prospect of bountiful and prosperous future for the coming hordes.

    • TheDudeofVoo

      So, a lot of adjustments have been made to the surface air Tamperature records. So, why are old records still being adjusted? Why weren’t adjustments made, and then, it would be over … it should be over, for many years now, but it is not. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a100fd98d5d12830aa4f2969420f2d9ad9db6e37485d5d4aae658d45dfc68ae.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a533e58fd9cdc0bbc15979b3f8a087d30cea669a5002e8b5469c658d2b2efda5.jpg

    • TheDudeofVoo

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a100fd98d5d12830aa4f2969420f2d9ad9db6e37485d5d4aae658d45dfc68ae.jpg
      I’d thought that this ‘adjustment’ thing was over and done with … after all, it is an algorithmic process that is run against historical data, once or twice through, and it should be finished. So, what is the reason for the (above illustrated) ‘adjustment’ from 2014 to 2015?

    • TheDudeofVoo

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a100fd98d5d12830aa4f2969420f2d9ad9db6e37485d5d4aae658d45dfc68ae.jpg
      I’d thought that this ‘adjustment’ thing was over and done with … after all, it is an algorithmic process that is run against historical data, once or twice through, and it should be finished. So, what is the reason for the (above illustrated) ‘adjustment’ from 2014 to 2015?

  • Byron

    Dump the media. They will only deliberately spin everything. Their agenda is to show everything as a “flip flop on campaign promises” to weaken Trumps support and undermine his leadership.

    Toss the press corps out. Go straight to the American people.

    • JackP32

      Trump ought to bring back “fireside chats” or something similar to go directly to the American people with the truth. The slime balls in the media will never print the truth. Soon thereafter the news media will go bankrupt and find itself at the bottom of the cesspool.

      • broadcastdude

        Fireside chats would not work for Trump. For it to work, the MSM (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.) would have to carry them. They wouldn’t. FOX might, but they are on cable, and everybody does not have cable — including me. Remember FDR was a democrat. The “news media” is going downhill, but it will be a slow death.

      • Rising

        Yeah, it could be just a podcast, or a link to a podcast sent out through twitter. Or he could put them up on YouTube. Once a month maybe. Then people could get the whole thing, and the press won’t have a choice but to cover it, and people would be more guarded from spin.

      • Minxey

        He did the other day with his 100 days you tube video.

        • Rising

          Good point. This might become the norm. It’d be a good move.

  • Snake_Oilbama

    Leftist are lying moronic economy destroyers.

  • Deplorable Redneck

    Media has repeatedly been show to be bias so why trust anything they report.

    • aguest

      I don’t. Which is why I am skeptical about “climate change” — I am beginning to truly believe it is a giant Ponzi scheme to move money around the globe and to justify controlling everything in our lives via enviro regs. Just look at the insane amount they spent in “recovery” money to line the pockets of pseudo-scientists (whores, really) to skew data to come up with the results they wanted. Sad.

      • Lynette Johnson

        I am old enough to recall when our US Government started indoctrinating children at school to educate “their parents” on ‘global cooling’ after many years of this and not enough pilfering from the people it changed to “GLOBAL WARMING”… then same deal when too much proved against it words were again changed… “Climate Control”

      • Mac

        That is exactly what GW is. In 1979, it was global cooling. It’s tripe.

  • Slick312

    Anyone should see the scam as soon as they hear the call for a massive cash infusion to “study” or “fix” the problem.

  • Chuhyona

    Stop this denying nonsense. Al Gore is losing money.

    • buddygonzo

      The crazed sex poodle will always get his chakra squeezed

  • King_Solomon1

    I HOPE TRUMP DOES NOT BACK OUT OF THE VERY PROMISES THAT GOT HIM ELECTED. IF HE DOES, HE CAN JOIN CARTER AND BUSH 1 AS ONE TERMERS.

  • JohnnySunshine

    We’ll know climate change (global warming, global freezing, global ice pop up your pooper, etc.) is real when Progressives / alt-leftists ensure that only conservatives can profit from it.

  • middleclasstaxpayer

    Just the corrupt left wing main stream media in the US trying to incite more riots.

  • Brian washere

    Burn all of Obama’s climate regulations, withdrawal from all climate treaties and for God sake get America out of the UN and kick them off our soil.

    • joeysdad

      It will be interesting to see if there is one thing that survives of Obama’s legacy … except the debt.

    • Rascal69

      I am hopeful that Trump advised Nikki Haley he had a ‘temporary” opening for her but will look for something a little more solid…maybe straightening out the VA, once the UN is sent packing. I hear property for a new UN building is really cheap in Mogadishu.

    • Minxey

      Imagine the money that could be made by the redevelopment of that land…

  • BillyBaloo

    Lying Media! Never trust the liberal Media! Check their reporting out before you believe a word they write or say! The Media is a great problem in the United states!

  • Richard_Wiggler

    take the money out of ‘ climate change ‘ and it all goes away

    • joeysdad

      Just like TPP went away when the beneficiaries of TPP were no longer Democrats. It too was a scam to funnel power and money to Democrat elites.

    • buddygonzo

      Like Black Mold abatement

    • This is going to happen so fast, once Trump’s people get into the DOE and the EPA

      • Richard_Wiggler

        just one of the MANY reasons i voted for him..

    • Michael

      Ding ding ding ding ding!! We have a winner here!!

  • Fort Steve

    I don’t believe any reporting on Trump by the mainstream media. Trump supporters have learned to wait until the facts come out.

    • MissButterfly

      Indeed, I should have been more skeptical, considering how these ‘journalists’ operate.

    • Mac

      Absolutely. I feel stupid now. Like a liberal. Eeeewww.

      • Fort Steve

        Mac, we may need to take one of those baths they give people who have been exposed to radiation leaks.

        • Doc Farmer✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵈᵉᵖˡᵒʳᵃᵇˡᵉ

          I’ll get the wire brushes…

    • nboptimist

      They’re going to regret coining “fake news”. I hope we use those two little words against them for years. I’m going to laugh as they twist themselves into pretzels explaining that their “news” isn’t fake. To which I will respond, “if you are explaining, you are losing”.

    • DD More

      Fort, good reason then to look into the facts. Such as the “Sea Wall put up at the golf course, due to global warming”.
      Facts differ than tall tales.

      Recent timeline history of Doonbeg golf course.

      June 2013 – Family feud forces sale of Doonbeg golf resort for €70m

      Earlier reports was of the strong winter storms that hit at the end of 2013, before Trump’s purchase, which were not linked to ‘global warming’.
      http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/n/i/Recent_Storms_Briefing_Final_07023.pdf

      Feburary 2014 – Bargain bid – Doonbeg resort costs Donald Trump just €8.7m. Plus Mr Trump has pledged to invest up to €45m in Doonbeg and create hundreds of jobs.

      8.7 + 45 = 55.7 or 20% discount on damaged goods. Good purchase for a ‘fixer-upper’.

      And the reference to Climate Change was most likely to over rule and get past the endangered snail. Only ACGW can overrule endangered species acts. (See windmills and bald eagles)

      The Trump organisation had been served with a stop-work order earlier this year after lorry-loads of rock armour began to arrive on the Co Clare beauty spot, which is protected by strict environmental concerns for a microscopic snail.
      Four holes on the €15 million 450-acre course, now known as Trump International Golf Links, Ireland, were seriously damaged in violent winter storms which devastated swathes of the Atlantic coast. The renowned green on the par three 14th was among several parts of the course left at risk after waves left it exposed to a perilously steep slope on one side of a single dune. But the initial work was halted as Doonbeg is home to a tiny snail which has been around since the Ice Age – the narrow-mouth whorl snail, or angustior vertigo, which measures about 0.9mm wide and 1.8mm in height.
      “The enforcement notice has been withdrawn by the council, as it is no longer relevant,” a spokesman for the council said. “The council looks forward to a continuing positive relationship with the Trump company and its advisers so that the fabulous asset of Doonbeg golf course and associated facilities can continue to flourish into the future.” Clare County Council said the works agreed will bring the golf course back to having 18 playable holes while a separate planning application has also been lodged for “soft” coastal protection measures.

      http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/donald-trump-agrees-doonbeg-conservation-deal-30252536.html

      Nothing about global warming, just meeting code requirements, with the blessing of the council, to get his property playable.

  • MissButterfly

    I wondered about Trump suddenly being ‘open’ to climate change, according to the left. I should have known – another lie!

  • JimboXL

    I assumed most reports from the traditional media outlets on anything related to the transition is just BS. The obsolete media publishes fake news, fake tweets, and now threatens people with bodily harm.

    • aguest

      They have become a true menace to our Republic.

  • de_ploribus_unum

    People on the right would be more open to considering that climate change has a man-made component if it wasn’t always the same leftist solution they have for every false “sky is falling” catastrophe that arrives every few years.

  • JeffC

    “Fake news”….ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, New York Times…..choose your liars. So fed up with liberal bias. The best thing Trump could do is lock the door to these lying fools for the next 4 (maybe 8?) years.

    • Kaight

      Totally agree. You left out PBS, BTW.

      • JeffC

        I ran out of breath before getting to PBS & NPR!

        • buddygonzo

          Take away their govt money and make them pay taxes
          Big Bird is a billionaire

        • Dingo

          “Fake but accurate.” — Dan Rather

          • who8thecat

            Lol Classic

    • ButtCracula…

      Yup, just like 0bambi did with Fox news…

    • Jen Brown

      News ? I watched “NBC Nightly “Pharmaceutical ½ hour Commercial Show” interspersed with news ads last night. 2 min news – 28 min commercials.

  • cbarr

    just wow…..have you listened to the audio posted in the NYT? warning…these people know no other mode other than smug. is difficult to listen to but did want to hear him.

    • BraveNewWhirled

      Just remember, everything the lying dinosaur media say is true.

  • Kaight

    I agree this is reassuring re the climate warming fraud. And I agree the filthy mainstream American media is doing everything possible to separate Trump from his base. But I still have this very serious criticism of Trump, for whom I voted:

    There is no way in hell I want my man Trump to be giving the despicable NY Times a one-on-one sit down interview. This bolsters the Times’ prestige. It adds to their cred and their claim of being important. The NY Times is an unimportant, filthy, liberal rag. Period.

    Trump should have, instead, invited editors from major newspapers in the many states where he won to come to Trump Tower as an ensemble, and given them the kind of access he instead gave to our hated enemy, the anti-American NY Times.

  • Brian washere

    While you are at it Trump, smack NASA upside the damn head and sign no bill that gives NASA funding until they get back to the business of human exploration and out of the business entirely of promoting the AGW hoax.

  • 2ndprotectsall

    The MSM is dead, it just doesn’t know it.

    • Kaight

      When it comes to the NY Times, Trump apparently is trying to prop them up. He never should have granted them an interview. They did not deserve it. Period.

      • My 2 Cents

        I disagree with you. We all know the New York Times is liberal. Grant them an interview, as Donald Trump when he disagrees also told resident NYT warmist Tom Friedman: ‘A lot of smart people disagree with you’ on climate change.

      • Alan

        Well, he is a New Yorker. Very reasonable that he should have some sentimental feelings for the old Grey Lady, even though she’s got Alzheimer’s and will soon be going to hospice for her final days.

  • Tomas Cruz

    “Falsely spin”? LIE! That’s why no one watches, reads or listens to them. It’s insulting.

  • Mary McClane

    So what’s new? The MSM are and have been for a long time, liars and agenda driven propagandists. I believe nothing any of them say.

  • George Tsokanis

    ” you know we live on an island”. An island covered under 7,000′ of ice 20,000 years ago!Where did it go?

  • Michael

    Our climate is controlled by one thing and it is by far the first order effect on our climate: THE SUN!

  • cooliest

    CO2 traps heat. We know this.
    Lots of CO2 traps lots of heat.
    Why is this an argument?

    • Michael

      Because troll, water vapor traps even more and its concentrations are ORDERS of magnitude higher than CO2.

      Plus data shows the earth is COOLING!

    • Kaight

      Learn about secondary, tertiary, and quaternary impacts. Dummy up for goodness sake!

      • Michael

        Exactly. The first order effect is by far the SUN!

        • cooliest

          Yes the sun heats the Erath. But too much heat hurts the Earth. Why is this so hard to understand.

          • Michael

            You’re not a scientist. You ARE a libterd troll.

            Go try to control the sun. Be my guest!

          • cooliest

            Does CO2 trap heat or not?

          • Michael

            Bye aysewhole–sprayed with new and improved troll be gone.

          • Michael

            Yes and so does water vapor and methane, and a host of other gasses in our atmosphere.

            However diyckhead, what heat they are trapping amounts to zilch sheyet compared to what the sun does to our climate.

        • Kaight

          Yup, “by far” being the key words in your post!!!!

      • cooliest

        http://pmj.bmj.com/content/86/1014/230.full.html

        Apparently you need to read too! Nice try tard.

    • focusonzenergy

      There is 48,000,000 gigatons of carbon in the limestone rocks of planet earth
      there is 1,000 gigatons of carbon in the fossil fuel deposits
      both laid down during the dinosaur era.

      Releasing CO2 has had little if any effect on the climate.
      Your prognosis for the planet is ludicrous.

      • cooliest

        Does CO2 trap heat?

    • OutfieldDan

      Because there is very little CO2 in the atmosphere. The largest effect by far is from water vapor – CO2 is puny. All the models are wrong about the link between CO2 and water vapor. Also, climate change is a given, it’s total arrogance to believe we can stop the climate from changing. You need a perspective of earth’s climate history to understand.

      • cooliest

        The Earth warms and cools, true. However, we do have an impact. If CO2 traps heat. and we have emitted millions of tons of it, can’t we assume the Earth will warm by the emission of excess CO2?

    • erv

      Then it should be a wash since the CO2 will then block the heat from the sun from even reaching the Earth?

      • cooliest

        No, the heat from the sun hits the earth, and instead of being reflected back, it is trapped.

    • RaiderDog

      What is denied by all global warmist, wait that is a problematic title since Al Gore’s hockey stick predictions failed to materialize, lets call you Climate Changeist. Anyways what y’all fail to recognize is that the Creator in His infinite wisdom created …. Created plants to absorb CO2, created weather to keep the atmosphere stirred and fresh, created deserts and rainforest to play their unique roles in maintaining balance. When you fail to recognize the Creator you then assume that man in his very finite and basic understanding of the Universe can manipulate and control the weather.

      Meteorologist fail to predict what the weather will be next week, and they have a lot of points of data to work with, so I am asked to believe that those who can’t tell me about next week can tell me about next century. I mean it makes for interesting conversation, the weather has always maintained a high degree of human interest. When I was in elementary school in the 60’s the same group said the Earth was cooling and that soon we would enter the next ice age…. Were they wrong?? Only time will tell and until then count me in with the skeptics.

  • VikingBeaner

    We need to set all these zombies against the wall, and do tje righteous thing.

  • focusonzenergy

    Trump should stipulate that every contact with the media be freely available to the public so that the public can detect the lies!

    I refuse to pay NYT and WaPo for the articles so I need a source like this site to provide the actual transcript and offer an opinion of NYT and WaPo bias. Thank you Climate Depot!

  • Ollie C

    Mr. Trump, you also can boycott the MSM like all Demonrats boycott conservative news. We the people who voted for you won’t mind one bit.

  • Robert Schwartz

    I never met a true leftist that was a liar scumbag. They truly are the scum of the Earth. I put them equal with Islamic Extremist.

  • Crystal Rivers
  • neverliberal

    And the media still wonders why we don’t trust them. It’s getting so that the only MSM I still watch is the local weather and that with a grain of salt.

  • JeffC

    Reading the transcript of these smug, arrogant, self-important media clowns is infuriating. It just reinforces (to me) the best way to treat these people is to ignore them. There all legends in their own mind.

  • TeaPartyPat949

    The Mainstream Media are by far Americas #1 enemy. They lie, deceive, propagandize the Federal government, and smear anyone who does not goose-step like a retarded Nazi to their sick Progressive ideology.

  • chopr147

    Trump’s open mind is the opposite of these Climate “experts” who insist skeptics are paid by the evil oil companies. A left leaning person with an open mind is as rare as a unicorn

  • Trump is playing with them. Not sure the NYT believes he has the ability to run circles around them.

  • lobotomies 4 liberals

    global warming? those stupid mammoths caused global warming and froze the planet. maybe the mammoths should have paid a carbon tax and they would still be around.
    the retardism of liberals is amazing.

  • JeffC

    Since the precedent has been set, I wonder if Donald Trump will be nominated for the Noble Peace prize before actually taking office and doing anything?

  • John

    This sounds to me like a President-elect in a room full of adherents to the left’s climate religion and him trying to be non-offensive and have a cordial conversation. That doesn’t mean he’s not going to do the sensible thing and pull out of the ridiculous Paris nonsense and reign in the EPA. Just look at his appointees. Look at what he DOES, not what he says in a room full of climate change zealots.

  • dgs

    All that we know about gases, greenhouse or otherwise, stems from the work of the scientist (experimentalist & theortician) Robert Boyle, “The Sceptical Chymist: or Chymico-Physical Doubts & Paradoxes”, 1661. Richard Feynman (you may have heard of him) summed it up best about 300 years later when he averred “Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.” Us stoopid field scientists call that statement “scientific elegance,” but we’re deplorable, don’t you know.

  • 1911

    Watching the libs fail never gets old, but it’s getting less funny and more pathetically painful to watch.

  • cooliest

    Can you be a republican AND believe in helping the Earth at the same time?

    • Liberty

      helping and saying humans are the cause of Climate change are two different things

      • cooliest

        Does CO2 trap heat?

        • Liberty

          arrogance of demonrats to think you have power to change the climate priceless

          • cooliest

            notice how you did not answer the statement? Name calling are the words of a defeated argument.

        • TeaPartyPat949

          CO2 is not, has never been, and will never be a pollutant. I have a better question, does the sun affect the temperature?

          • cooliest

            bwahhahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha!

        • TJ

          every pixel you manipulate by your conscious action consumes energy produced, stop please it’s not worth it

          • cooliest

            Does co2 trap heat or not?
            Your lack of response shows that i am correct, and you are more interested in politicizing science, then actually participating in it.

          • TJ

            the lack of response does not prove anything, is your ‘science’ as logical

          • TJ

            the lack of response proves nothing, is your ‘science’ as logical?

    • MaxImPerfect

      helping the earth – what a pompous perspective; can you be a democrat and heal defective thinking ?

      • cooliest

        Wow, what a dumb ignorant response.

        • Liberty

          I got a laugh

        • MaxImPerfect

          can you be pompous and still think clearly ? Ignorant is a big word for you to use especially when you are an exemplar of same

  • Liberty

    Drain the Media Swamp

  • Faceless Commenter

    Hahaha, Friedman got pwned.

  • Sigmund Tomas

    BIG Climate is the biggest scam ever. A multi trillion dollar con job.

    • Liberty

      gore as he laughs and gets rich with his demonrat buddies.

  • I am surviving Obama

    I went to the Boston Common GLOBAL FREEZING event in 1973. We were told that in 20 years we would NOT be able to grow CROPS north of DC. We were young and STUPID. Many of those same people are STILL stupid and now OLD. Go and read what we were being told. If you are a liberal, try and think for yourselves. It may hurt your head a little.

    • JeffC

      Agree……old and stupid. Just read “Mother Jones” once in awhile

    • Lynette Johnson

      I remember too GLOBAL COOLING and the NEW ICE AGE coming, US Government indoctrinated us at school and “suggested” that we the new generation educate our parents, lol

      *honestly i think they had more proof of evidence on that one than global warming ever had!

      • Alan

        And the funny thing is, the best long-term climate record we’ve got (Greenland ice cores) suggests that we are overdue for the next ice age … it’s just that there is NO way to predict it’s onset. Could be now (there’s a bit of cooling in the last few years’ record), could be 1000 years from now.

        If they’d spend less time trying to co-opt research money for political purposes and more trying to actually do some good, they’d be selling making shorelines, infrastructure, etc. ROBUST against all weather disasters and long-term climate effects of all kinds.

        I.e. humanity is too puny to affect climate much, but we could probably learn to protect ourselves a lot better!

    • buddygonzo

      It’s a difference of world perceptions – static vs dynamic

  • Zircon Encrusted Tweezers

    What this country needs is a fountain of smart, not youth.

  • Brian washere

    Trump’s #1 promise and the thing he will be judged on most is his handling of the economy. Just so happens this AGW BS is a 2 trillion ton anchor hanging around the American economy’s neck. How convenient….

    My recommendations are as follows:

    1- Work with congress to gut the EPA and NOAA. Cut staff by 75%, fire everyone currently employed there, (They are all too tainted) and appoint people with some damn sense in their place.

    2- Destroy any and all regulations that have anything to do with AGW. And FFS get off of coal’s back.

    3- Withdraw America from all AGW treaties.

    4- Withdraw America from the UN and kick them off our soil.

    5- Stop funding NASA until they stop spending 50% of their damn budget to manipulate data to support the hoax

    Use the money you will save to do your trillion dollar infrastructure upgrades and FOR GOD SAKE BUILD THAT WALL.

    • greatnesslostislegend

      Trump will order NASA to concentrate on hardware to launch, and deep space exploration. It will have a clear mandate. For decades NASA has had its mission altered. Climate change just one of the rabbit holes NASA has been running down.

  • washburn road

    Tweaking the curve heatbots lose in review…

  • Kimona

    You have to be a complete moron to trust the American news media.

  • Unapologetically American

    I’ve pretty much given up on most of the media. Lying, spinning, deceiving for a living. They simply can not be trusted in any way.

  • aliswell

    “I’m going to take a look at it.” Sounds like a parent telling their kid, “We’ll see,” which, as we all know, meant “NO!”

    • JeffC

      But…But…But….you HAVE to listen to me. I’ve been anointed. I’m smarter, more educated, & more worldly than the commoner. I speak of the masses! I…………hello?………….hello?……..are you still there?

  • Pepperspray137

    Poor earthnazis, they can’t snicker to each other in dark corners about deniers anymore. Now they have to prove they’re not liars before any honest conversation about climate can take place.

    • System 4

      Ever see a photo of Friedman’s house?? Talk about a carbon footprint.

  • System 4

    A bunch of weasels. They hate Trump and will ;plant any phony story that will make him look bad to his supporters. That is their goal. They want to print stories that have an interest to Trump’s supporters. Make him look like he’s not fulfilling a campaign promise. Don’t believe anything they print.

  • William Farro

    Unfortunately, Sulzberger believes we haven’t had storms like this before. He is really in the dark about climate history,

  • CerpherJoe

    Friedman needs to commit himself. Can you believe someone so rabid can actually be given enough credence to work for an information outlet? Oh yeah – NYT!

  • timetogoO

    I guess they didnt see the satelite pictures from a couple of days ago that say the Earth is in a cooling phase.

    • buddygonzo

      John Kerry went to Antarctica for Mojitos and look for the warming

  • focusonzenergy

    I refuse to pay NYT and WaPo for the articles so I need a source like this site to provide the actual transcript and offer an opinion of NYT and WaPo bias. Thank you Climate Depot!

    Trump should stipulate that every contact with the media be freely available to the public so that the public can detect the lies!

  • civilwariscool

    it’s not as if these fast food drive through “journalists” have enough education or literacy to read and comprehend a statement

  • erl11

    The mainstream media/journalists are unwilling to tell the truth.

    • Kaight

      The American mainstream media would be unable to recognize the truth even were it served up to them on a plate. They are fools, just like all communists.

  • JeffC

    “I’d like to exchange my carbon credits back for real money please? What do you mean 1 million credits now has a cash value of .1 cent?”

  • lostmyinnocence

    Thomas Friedman…Nobel economist (like Paul Krugman) who now knows all about everything. Both NYT columnists. Tom, you know all about China and India…tell us, why aren’t they in on the Paris Climate scam?

    • Kaight

      Friedman and Krugman are both sanctimonious jackasses.

    • concerndcitizen

      Nobel Prize, like the one Obama has and also Yassir Arafat.

  • Liberty

    Drain the MEDIA SWAMP

  • Kaight

    Trump was an idiot to grant any sort of exclusive interview to our hated enemy, the filthy, despicable, NY Times. WABOA

    • Michael

      It was a test to see if they would change their ways or double down.

  • T P

    Trump needs to give a direct TV broadcast to the people once a week. Then a TV Town Hall meeting once a month to cover questions directly from the people about whats going on in government. Questions not made up by the press.

  • Bill

    Let me explain it.

    There are the 3 C’s that are confused in looking at any complex data set-

    Cause and effect- a resulted in b

    Correlation- a and b are influenced by c

    Coincidence- a and b just happen to increase or decrease over the same period

    The truth is the anthrogenic climate change cult have ‘cooked the books’ to make older temp measurements look colder, and use statistical trickery to make the newer look artificially warmer.

    If you want to believe it- fine. I don’t want to pay for it.

    • buddygonzo

      Using their software NBA scores plot a hockey stick – the code is rigged

      If it worked you could take temps from the 70s, 80s, and 90s and predict the 2000s
      Never happened

    • Michael

      You are correct! You might see some scientists at NOAA come forward and tell everyone Odumbayse made them cook the data.

      Hopefully someone still has unadulterated copies of it.

  • lostmyinnocence

    Tom, you’re an economist turned scientist? Tell us…if birds were never on earth would the airplne ever have been invented? Come on…give us one of your 500 page books on that!

  • irksome51

    When the grant money dries up – given to those willing to wh*re their professional positions – the “consensus” will dry up with it. These “experts” love free money given to those that lie, I refuse to believe they are merely that stupid. It is easier to believe, this day in age, that they are cooked.

  • AR15

    The very first thing anyone should ever do when watching the media is NOT BELIEVE them.

  • nvrat

    Lefties have a hard time between climate change and weather. At this time thousands of scientists disagree with the climate change crybabies on truth of our atmosphere they like many others have followed the money and know where the control will wind up, right in the hands and pockets of a very few in the Illuminati and United Nations. On Earth he who controls the energy/power controls the world.

  • Maxwell

    “Media falsely spins…” is just normal now. Anyone that doesn’t understand that is probably too busy in the street protesting the election to read this.

  • Fed Up

    Lefties must always, ALWAYS lie about who they are and what they believe.

    And just as often, they must also lie about those who do know them and oppose their big ideas.

  • lostmyinnocence

    Climate change = $ billions for liberal scientists who are useless at anything else other than looking and data and adjusting it so they get more billions. Hey, sounds like the Clinton Foundation?

    • buddygonzo

      I’m only here for the grant money
      Like the Solyndra scam

  • dogdiedonce

    Please tell the De Growther Socialist/Democrats no man or government can regulate the sun.

    • Minxey

      I’d like them to set up at the edge of the crater of Kilauea to start negotiations with Pele.

  • mjnbell

    Trump can try to moderate his position, try to bring the MSM into his camp and meet just about any lib leaning entity half way to try to forge a decent relationship with them all he wants. At the end of the day, there is no way in holy h*ll are they ever going to cut this guy any slack at all. And if Trump or anyone in his camp thinks that letting Hillary off the hook is going to win him and friends, better think again. Six months from now, when the Trump Admin is far along, guess who’s going to be leading the charge against this guy – calling him every name in the book. I’ll give you a hint; their first names are Bill and Hillary.

    • Kaight

      . . . . Barack will be right there with them.

      • mjnbell

        After January, you won’t be able to turn on MSNBC without seeing either Obama, the Clintons or Reid bashing Trump every 5 minutes.

        • Michael

          Simple solution. Turn them OFF!

    • Liberty

      ARREST OBAMA, SOROS AND THE CLINTONS

  • Hank James

    This is the bias at work. Partial quotes to support the left’s position.

  • erl11

    We all know the media will not treat Trump fairly. Mr. Trump, when you speak to ANYONE you need to speak as if you were speaking publically, because the media is now recording you secretly. They would not get away with that with Obama or any other president. And, yes, we would be absolutely shocked by what Obama and other presidents have said in a “closed door” meeting. So, be smart, Mr. Trump.

  • steambt

    The NYT lying, miss reporting. What else is new?

    • ButtCracula…

      For me, their new moniker is the Alt-Left NYT…

  • Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
    Sheep, lemmings, and Leftists are easily manipulated.
    zazzle.com/firstprinciples/products?rf=238518351914519699
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00e12ab635fcc46e5e885698d988c4d2b510ee8a2d2c1d47cf3b8207620ef1b7.jpg

    • Liberty

      BA HA HA HA

    • buddygonzo

      A religion it is
      And a vocation
      American Sharia

  • daddybdg

    And the liberal establishment in government and the media dares to talk about “false news” in the social media forums. They’re like most religious zealots, they believe their religion should be the only religion.

  • Winchester1300

    Ol’ MoufFullOTurds Sharpton… AGW scientist…

    • joeysdad

      The solution is simple: give elites your money and power. They can live like kings while everyone else lives in squalor. And the elites will pat themselves on the back and feel all righteous because they saved the planet.

  • joeysdad

    The best thing to do is ignore the media. The election is over, but the war is not. They will say anything to try and erode support for Trump.

    • Liberty

      HOW ABOUT LOCK THEM UP

    • Duke Silver

      Ya, I love their war on so-called ‘fake news’.

      Sad I had to go to the alternative media to hear the truth.

      • joeysdad

        And Google is trying to starve them by cutting their advertising dollars.

  • Honest John

    It’s really sad that the “physical sciences” have devolved into “political science”. There’s virtually no way to have a credible, rational, analytical discussion of important matters with today’s breed of “political progressive scientists”.

  • Mac

    Wow! I was a bit taken back by the story yesterday. Now, all I have to do is look at the writer or paper and can throw that into the biased trash pile. It’s not even close to what Trump was saying or meaning. That is really disgusting.

  • BigR2

    Just you wait my fellow Trumpsters, until January 21. Kenneth Star is all warmed up to start investigating Hillary, Al Gore’s Climate Change profits will be investigated by the IRS and all of this will get started by 8:00 am. By noon China will be forking over cash money for our southern border wall with Mexico. China will get Samantha Bee and the New York Times in trade.Yes. The Art of The Deal.

    • joeysdad

      Trump in the White House, Republicans in the House and Senate wishing to curry favor with Trump, only a simple majority required for confirmations, a citizenry awakened and starved for leadership; the makings of a perfect storm.

  • Nevadavoter1

    It appears that the MSM in general and the NYT in particular, have learned absolutely nothing from their recent screwup covering the Trump/Clinton election.
    Another example of ‘you can’t fix stupid’!

  • tie_banana

    The msm, libs and dems still haven’t figured it out that they are IRRELEVANT now. WE won. Using Obama’s statement to the repubs when he won; “They can come for the ride, but their going to have to sit in the back of the bus.” Right back at cha leftist lunatics.

  • JeffC

    That giant “sucking” sound you hear is the main stream media’s ego and self-importance being sucked out the air lock into space.

  • LABigDave

    Why Trump is even talking to nutbag Friedman is beyond me!

  • phil

    It’s all about grants, free money for wannabe “scientists”…who probably cheated in college to get their degrees in Bovine manure!

  • Mario

    The media gets caught lying again. No surprise here, I would be more surprised if they didn’t lie. With all of the recent happenings documenting
    the spin, half truths, and outright lies they have told you would think they would put an end to it. Nope, they are arrogant beyond belief and think they can do anything they want.

  • rawheadrex

    There were days in the newsroom when there was not much happening and we had to find a hook to “milk”a story. I often questioned such events and I usually heard about my concerns.

  • Michael

    Here you libterds go… Witness the NEXT Maunder Minimum in progress!!

    http://spaceweather.com

    25 sun spotless days this year–a trend that’s 3 years earlier than normal, but the sun is hardly normal this current cycle! Cycle 24 is one of the weakest in a long time!

    Prepare for colder weather you globull warming idiots!

  • grassy knoll

    Global warming will be/is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the face of the earth.

    Brought to you by AL Goreleone.

    • MindWarrior

      Now there’s a true snake oil salesman–huckster extraordinaire!

    • Glenn Festog

      I believe the #1 spot is held by the Federal Reserve; as an accepted con is more dangerous than the one they’re still trying to get us to buy. lol

      • grassy knoll

        Possibly, but with the Global order marching forward the way it is there’s a good chance that the Fed will disappear along with US sovereignty- while to global warming BS lives on. That and the Fed only directly affects the US, not the rest of the planet.

        • Glenn Festog

          The Fed bailed out international banks with our money, that effected far more than just the US; alternatively, if the Fed hadn’t, and those banks failed as a result, it would have effected most 1st World countries around the globe.

          I’m thinking Trump will disavow the global warming bs.

  • Liberty

    Demonrats, soros, obama and clintons will not stop the destruction of America for their ONE WORLD ORDER PERIOD.

    • joeysdad

      We appear to be in pretty good shape for now. The main danger now lies in Germany and France.

      • Liberty

        unless they are arrested and placed in jail they will never stop. Obama has already made that clear. Soros is behind every protest and is involved in many of the us elections local, state and federal elections.

        • joeysdad

          I hope Trump plans on investigating his foundation(s) too.

          • Liberty

            who

          • joeysdad

            Soros has at least one foundation.

  • BillybobBiden

    These dolts are just worried that their Obama $ spigot is about to be turned off. This well in empty now, say bye bye to your tax payer funded BS research.

  • Richly Deplorable

    The leftist progressives have “weaponized” most of our basic institutions through planted shills, lies, fraud, and threats. These include the Media, EPA, IRS, Academia, NASA, NOA, DOJ, etc. It’s quite a mess to clean up but it can be done.

    • Paul Kersey

      You forgot to mention the Obama administration !

      • Lisa T

        Everything he listed IS part of the Obama administration. Why do you think they’re all so corrupt?

  • buddygonzo

    I only got as far as Tom Friedman
    What a dolt

    “Climate” is when you tamper with historical temperature records to get the result you’re funded for.

  • greatnesslostislegend

    These dolts at the NY Time only need to purchase Trump’s book: Time to Get Tough, to get a firm handle where he stands on this issue. In this book Trump outlines a detailed approach to having the US energy independent while working on cost effective ways to find alternative means to propel the economy. The real point I got after reading it: Trump will get the US to a largely oil and gas free transportation and electrical system faster than the plans the left have. This is the tragedy of Obama. If he had listened to someone like Trump on this issue America could have been so much further down this road than it is now.

  • Mike O

    Just turned off Varney on F.B.N. because had on a guest that was talking about Keith Ellison, candidate for the position of top dog in the Dem. party. The guest was talking about his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and other extremist organizations and Barney butts in with we should not be so quick to judge him just because of this, heres an old adage Varney, how do you judge him if not by the company that one keeps. Varney on the second day of President Trumps win, stated that he should pardon Hilliary and move on, and is thrilled that Trumps taking in his most ardent offenders , thus showing how inclusive he is.And are we ,that backed Mr Trump just supposed to roll over on all this bs. The point is that Fox, except for a handful such as Hannity, Dobbs ,Tucker and Charles Pain, are no better than the other outlets discussed here.

    • Liberty

      why are the Muslim brotherhood at all involved in anything in America they are terrorist

  • Lynette Johnson

    “we the people” are okay with them believing it, we just don’t wanna PAY FOR IT https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/global-cooling-compilation/ via @wattsupwiththat

  • EricTheRed

    “FRIEDMAN: I’d hate to see Royal Aberdeen underwater.”

    Are you effing kidding me? How delusional can these people get? I mean, I kind of wanted to laugh when I read this, but he actually believes it!

  • JS

    If you are caught falsifying data, you should be ostracized from the scientific community and never be allowed to submit anything on your own ever again for review. You should be fined the amount all of the grants you have received, and go to jail, period.

    We need consequences for the actions. Just like we need to punish the white collar criminals like John Corzine and all the bank scammers, they need jail time, period. They need to lose all of their wealth for felony crimes, period.

    Then it all might stop. Now you have the DOJ and FBI politically motivated not to do anything about stopping the fraud, the lies, and now the integrity of the FBI and DOJ is forever tainted. If Trump does not allow his new DOJ and FBI appointees to continue the Clinton Crime Foundation investigations, it will show that Trump does not want to drain the swamp and will in fact of helped the rigged system stay rigged.

  • AR15

    Smith-Mundt Act eliminated July of 2013

    United States government just got the green-light to use propaganda made for foreign audiences on the American public (NOT that this stopped them before because it only regulated a few branches/dept from doing it. Instead of amending and adding all branches and departments they eliminate it)

    For decades, a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government’s mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences. But on July 2, that came silently to an end with the implementation of a new reform passed in January. The result: an unleashing of thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption in a reform initially criticized as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts. So what just happened?

    • Liberty

      Well I think its time to change this back

      • AR15

        Indeed, Look it up it’s very interesting

        • Liberty

          i will thank you

  • Bad Will Hunting

    Twenty-five years of emails with false statements, fabricated data and baseless articles on climate change to and from the University of East Anglia are more than enough proof that the global warming/climate change/global cooling claims coming from the “scientific community” are a scam. An absolute scam, designed to bilk billions of dollars from countries with money.
    Go to hell.

  • Ed Burns

    The AGW religionists have certainly accelerated the movement of our factories, and the coal fired Power Plants that run them, to Asian nations. Here, the coal burning technology to be used will be frozen in time. Think about all the 57′ Chevy’s still plying the streets of Havana….
    Asian nations have no interest in environmental issues when weighed against their “five-year” or “fifty-year” economic plans. The technology they will use going forward will simply be that which they stole successfully. I know this from first hand experience as I once worked for one of the largest power plant design engineering companies and have travelled to China on business trips. That American E&C company, in business since the 1880’s was put out of business by the Obama administration.
    Unfortunately for the world, now that the worlds coal fired power plants are being built out in Asia at a rate of one per week, using old technology, any environmental controls will be ignored and efforts to develop environmental remediation technology will cease. All of this thanks to the short-sighted efforts of the snowflakes in the Obama world. Thanks guys…

    • Lisa T

      Exactly. Obama told China to accept his protocols and they said…OK, maybe in 30 years. LOL

  • hammerstamp

    Who is surprised that NYT would get a story about Trump wrong again. It appears ‘getting it wrong’ is the only thing they do extremely well.

    • Liberty

      just because the election is over doesnt mean the DEMONRATS WILL STOP BECAUSE THEY WONT

      • hammerstamp

        They do this at their own peril because we will remember.

        • Liberty

          I dont want anyone to forget George Soros will stop at nothing to own America he is pure evil

    • ChimericalOne

      They are writing their responses as they are “listening” – and that’s why they get it wrong so often – heaven forbid if they were chewing gum at the same time too.

  • Bad Will Hunting

    All of the US scientists supporting the hoax of climate change deserve to have their governmental allowances cut to zero.

    • Liberty

      how about jailed.

      • Bad Will Hunting

        At least lose their accreditation as scientists.

        • Liberty

          ABSOLUTELY. It is time for there to be consequences. This is criminal behavior

    • aguest

      Semi-Insider here (heard from someone that does them) as far as the “grant proposals” that get the money spout flowing–to quote Trump “it’s rigged.” (he meant the voting of course, but it is true here as well.)

      It is time to seriously consider closing the govt tap to all universities.

      • aguest

        I should add what deeply concerns me from what I heard from the person involved with the grants (a “scientist”) is that the studies (not in climate change–any scientific inquiry–this person is not involved in climate change stuff) are not published/are scrapped if they do not achieve the desired outcome. In some cases where they can, it sounds like they just keep scrapping it until they get they can pervert the data to achieve the desired outcome. Doesn’t sound like science to me.

        Which puzzles me–seems to me if it was funded, it was a necessary inquiry, and it would be important to know the results of the inquiry regardless of outcome. Otherwise no one else will ever see that data, which opens the door for more funding to look into the same line of inquiry again. (and again, and again!) I thought part of the scientific method was to learn from others what does and does not work in order to save time/money and advance the field of inquiry. Apparently this is not so anymore.

  • Deplorable B Church

    Trump should not have given the NYT a special audience. They are nothing more than a propaganda outlet that will do everything in their power to discredit his administration. I get that he’s trying to unify everyone, but there are limits to that. At some point you have to acknowledge your enemies for what they are and treat them accordingly. The NYT will never be an ally to Trump.

    • Bad Will Hunting

      Trump does try to communicate with these leftist dolts, partly because he doesn’t see things from a lefty or righty point of view, but from a pragmatic point of view.

  • joeysdad

    Lets face it, liberals think Americans are too stupid to govern themselves. They believe only the educated elite know enough to avoid the planet’s demise. And the needs of the planet outweigh the needs of the people; planet Earth is god in their opinion. So the backward, less evolved people must die through starvation, sterilization, abortion, etc. so the elites can survive. Talk about bigotry.

  • FREEPATRIOT

    Welcome to the “ALT-LEFT”

  • Politiscam

    The MSM manipulation is under fire and causing some funny things. My liberal friends are in an outrage about the new “alt-right” classification. They’ve always embraced political correctness speak before? LOL

  • Liberals Destroy Freedom

    The Left is SHOCKED that there are so many of us AWARE and NON-COMPLIANT citizens. Ha Ha Ha…….Funk all of you lying Lefties.

  • Falling Leaf

    My fears are more about the chemical trails and how they might be affecting the climates and the health of the water, the earth, human and animal life.

    • Liberty

      chemicals period.

  • Dafaddah

    There is absolutely not one shred of doubt in my mind that there is no connection whatever between the activities of human beings and long term changes in the earth’s climate. This is my declaration of my view of the issue of anthropomorphic climate change.

    I wonder how that statement, had Trump said it, would have been spun to indicate his willingness to consider his support for the climate change proponents.

    Climate change adherents are members of a secularist religious sect. They are akin to those who deny evolution of species and they behave in the same way when faced with irrefutable evidence of the facts.

  • OBUMYA

    Gonna be SO fun to see Trump make the media his b itch.

    • Bad Will Hunting

      And dismantle the EPA just for grins.

  • Franko K.

    Is this the REAL Agenda for one-world-order?
    “We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy” said ex-UN’s Edenhofer. http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

    • Griefner

      The environmentalists, bureaucrats and politicians who make up the U.N.’s climate panel recruit scientists to research the climate issue. And they place only those who will produce the desired results. Money, politics and ideology have replaced science.

      U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres has called for a “centralized transformation” that is “going to make the life of everyone on the planet very different” to combat the alleged global warming threat. How many Americans are looking forward to the U.N. transforming their lives?

      Another U.N. official has admitted that the U.N. seeks to “redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.” The former head of the U.N. climate panel also recently declared that global warming “is my religion.”

  • LUCIDANDBLACK

    It figures, they hear what they want to hear. Global warming, climate change, are a complete fraud. Anyone who supports it cannot tell you what data would prove it is not happening, and that, folks, is not science.

  • rdhl77

    This is the sort of fake news Facebook is going after, right?

    • buddygonzo

      Only fake news they didn’t originate

      • joeysdad

        Censoring fake news is wonderful when you get to choose what is fake. Just like outlawing hate speech is great if you get to define hate. Which is why people should not be censored.

  • elizabethrc

    Selective reporting on most of Trump’s positions and statements is the norm for people like Friedman and others on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, PBS, etc. It’s a long list of these people who have become bereft of integrity, are willing to sell out for their ‘side’. They besmirch Trump but their self interest knows no bounds and Trump comes off the better for their malfeasance in their jobs. They do the American people a disservice with their dishonest, cherrypicked reporting.
    I suggest these climate warming folks check into the history of our world. Without a human being living, there have always been cataclysmic weather events and cycles the likes of which we can’t comprehend. Humans had nothing to do with it and to think that we mere humanbeings, at our worst, will destroy life on earth. We won’t even diminish it, physically at least. On a narrower scale, as to morally, the direction liberals seek to take us will make our lives miserable, eventually. Unless common sense and decency prevail, I look forward to liberalism becoming as extinct as the dodo bird (that poor creature never hurt anyone and probably didn’t insult anyone for thinking differently that he/she).

  • spawn44

    Arthur sights bigger storms for his proof man is causing climate change. 100% wrong. Friedman sights rising oceans. 100% wrong. This is proof only to a 100% leftist moron. Defund and prosecute.

  • SPQR_US “The Deplorable”

    I’m sick of the climate hoaxer nonsense. Trump should throw these vermin all into prison.

    • JeffC

      The quickest way to kill this nonsense is to remove government support and funding. it can’t survive on its own merits.or withstand serious scientific scrutiny.

      • SPQR_US “The Deplorable”

        You said it. The fraudsters would starve.

  • mshna

    Good, open mind is the right way. For at least 2 decades, the research funding has all been tilted for pro climate change. Cannot get funding for research which might lead to non-conforming results… can’t even get job appointments. Hope that the federal funding from a Trump administration can restore a balanced, objective scientific approach. Probably has to clean house and retire a whole bunch of fervent bureaucrats!

  • FREEPATRIOT

    The alt-left media has destroyed their last grain of credibility still believing the masses fall for their propaganda “news” any longer. The people are awake and won’t sleep anytime in the near future, you can thank the likes of odumbo & Hitlery for that. The NYT is led by a flamer and employs only those who drop on two knees to test the waters to get their personal bias to the rest of the libtard presstitutes. Again , welcome the “ALT-LEFT” to under a table near you.

  • joeysdad

    The latest thing going around Facebook: computer scientists discovered vote tampering in three states and they want Hillary to demand a recount.
    Even though Hillary probably ordered the tampering, the left is still trying to blow smoke over the election results.

    • Liberty

      Clearly they forgot about her 3 million illegal voters that we know of

  • Liberty

    COMMUNIST MEDIA WILL NOT STOP. Hopefully this will change and fast.

    • joeysdad

      If we continue to view their fake news, they will continue to sell advertising. Let’s try and show a little click discipline. 🙂

  • jmoke

    Interestingly liberals have dropped out of the conversation about climate change on these blogs. Perhaps they now understand the term climate change as climate lies like normal people do?

  • David Rodden

    Just more Yellow Journalism by The MSM, or is it PRAVDA..

  • BluzLover

    Climate change, abortion, gay marriage are the three things liberals in America are willing to kill for. Not die for, kill for.

  • mrbill59

    The UN will still try to fleece the US for this hoax.

  • Alan

    I am so happy the Left continue to double down on stupid. Climate change is clearly not the No. 1 threat facing the world, and their insistence that it is and their proposed solutions that clearly won’t do anything except impoverish millions, dumps their credibility in the crapper.

  • Liberty

    they just dont get it!. Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER.

  • Mike Danger

    Funny how Esper et al (2012) contradicts Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998); they both can’t be right. Mann, Bradley and Hughes (MBH) has been criticized for questionable statistical methodology by the statisticians Stephen McIntyre and former president of the Royal Statistical Society David Hand. Considering that the theory of man-made global warming is largely based upon the Hockey Stick graph of MBH, Jan Esper’s research could be considered a repudiation of the foundation for the argument for global warming.

  • robert corbett

    If Tom Friedman really believed in “climate change” caused global warming from CO2 why would he live in his massive over the top mansion.? The fact is that plants use CO2 carbon dioxide for photo synthesis to grow and produce oxygen. Global warming and cooling is a natural long cycle event the planet was actually warmer around 840-1000 AD around the time of the fall of the middle ages measured by polar ice core samples and other methods. The fact that the green movement uses the word carbon which is commonly known to people as soot to evoke the idea of black clouds such a black solid compound coming from coal fired power plants and factories without stack scrubbers.as used now in the western world. The real agenda behind the climate change movement is industrial de-growth and a goal to create an un-elected global government to regulate “global climate change” and put most people in cities on public transportation and regulate almost every aspect of their daily lives. The elites of course would continue to live in mansions with their giant Black SUVs while 90% of the land area becomes government national parks. This would be their utopian end game. They are moving this way already by shutting down factories and coal plants grabbing ever more government owned land and disrupting coal, oil, and natural gas production and also trying to outlaw normal cars with a future 50 mpg fuel standard.

    • Liberty

      COMMUNISM

      ONE WORLD ORDER

  • joeysdad

    The internet consumes a lot of power, and Google/YouTube is a big part of the internet. Google should pay restitution for their damage to the climate.

  • pancake rachel corrie

    Leftism died in 1989…now all they have left are fake sex wars and fake climate wars …..its sad really

  • Norm39

    The statue of Liberty sits on Liberty island and has for a long time. I we believed everything the climate change people have been saying for the past 25 years, the water would be at least over her feet by now.

  • GreginJax

    All of the news except for Fox, Drudge and a few others have really become an arm of the DNC reporting exactly what they are told to report.

    The EPA and our government has been lying for years. The EPA will not even produce the data they used for their climate change because they know it is not accurate.

  • topperj

    IT’s the NY Times. Sort in under fiction writing.

  • doug masnaghetti

    the vile democrat propaganda machine mascaraing as journalism is finally having its day of reckoning.
    DRAIN THE SWAMP OF THESE PERVERTED POLITICAL OPERATIVES!!!!!!!!!

    NYT: How about pursuing truth for once in your repulsive journalistic careers. Freaks! Traitors! I hate you!

  • zombietimeshare

    “FRIEDMAN: But it’s really important to me, and I think to a lot of our readers,”

    And maybe that’s the problem. It could be they need better writers catering to a smarter crowd.

    • vetolongwene

      He’s afraid to state the actual total count of readers….

      5 (including 4 editors)

  • robert corbett

    Question for the New York Times why do we continue to cut down trees to make paper and use oil to print and distribute left wing newspapers spewing propaganda and 1-2 day old news about climate change?

  • rickroland

    Always, always, always, get the full statements and transcripts — the mainstream media *cannot* be trusted, which has been proven time and again. More and more people are waking up to this fact and, as a result, the mainstream media is going to be a thin shell of its former self in a few short years. They’re done, stick a fork in them.

  • HilldaBeast

    First of all, and the last thing to always remember is….when the media reprints a quote or two from someone, consider the quote to be out-of-context EVERY TIME!
    The media people are dishonest lying repugnant trolls that somehow make a living at creating lies.
    Fact.

  • 62nitro

    Water is wet, the sky is blue and liberals lie. Next.

  • JackP32

    You have to be a pathological liar to be hired as an alleged journalist at the NY Slimes. That’s a fact. How much lower will these slime balls sink? Stay tuned.

  • hammerstamp

    During the Jurassic period atmospheric levels of Co2 were 2000 PPM, Plants and dinosaurs thrived and the oceans didn’t boil off but these AGW fraudsters are whipping up hysteria over 400 PPM levels of atmospheric Co2.

    • Tom

      What these “scientists” do not tell you is whether Temperature follows CO2 or does CO2 follow Temperature.

      • hammerstamp

        There was a study done last year (2015) comparing Ice core bubble Co2 levels in Antarctica with temperature data from the same time periods and there was an offset of 4 decades if memory serves, between temperature and Co2 level increase. In every sample they compared for equivalent time-frames, Co2 level changes followed temperature changes by the same time offset.

        • jamcar

          Kinda like when you let a soda warm to room temp – CO2 dissipates quicker

        • Jennifer

          So why is the government trying to control CO2 levels?

          • hammerstamp

            The same reason that there was a push to implement a ‘declaration of interdependence’ back in the ’60s under the guise that, since pollution knows no boundaries we must cede national sovereignty to fight this international scourge. In a word, the reason is

            ‘globalism’. In the case of climate change or global warming, they are closer now to global governance and they want UN funding through direct taxation.

  • AbsolutelyRight

    I can’t wait until President Trump dismantles the EPA.

    It will be so fun to watch all the leftist losers head’s explode!

    • Rod

      The best metric for gauging President Trump’s success will be the price of homes in the DC area. If he’s successful, they’ll plummet.

      The second best will be a comparison of average incomes in the DC area with average incomes in Peoria IL. If he’s successful, they’ll quit diverging and begin to converge. If they ever cross over it will mean that work is finally being more highly valued than talk.

  • Steve

    Sulzberger’s comment really shows how utterly self absorbed the leftist press is. “We’ve never had storms like this?” In other words, in his view, the storms he’s been through while living in the isle of Manhattan are the worst storms ever experienced, anywhere, in the 4 billion yrs of earth history. Just, wow.

  • Bill

    I once received an application to join the democRAT party. The application started by stating I MUST answer YES to the following questions:
    .
    Are you corrupt?
    Are you unethical?
    Are you immoral?
    Are you a liar?
    Are you a hypocrite?
    .

  • Rod

    One of the most interesting lines in the article: “…we’ve lost 70,000 factories since W. Bush. 70,000. When I first looked at the number, I said: ‘That must be a typo.” (He found it wasn’t.)

    Trump pays attention and solicits advice from various perspectives, asks questions, then decides. Way better than our outgoing President’s approach. You know, the one who claimed with a straight face to know more than each of his policy advisors about their area of expertise.

  • Johnny_Buffalo

    Trump went in there to kiss some NYT ass, I’m sure he’s admired the paper for his entire life. Two things I’d like to inform Mr. Trump:
    1. The New York Times will continue to write BS stories about you, and you looked like a groveling fool going in there begging them to be fair.
    2. No one outside NYC reads the NTY

    • Soforizo

      What the hell are you talking about? A lot of people outside of NYC read the NTY. People like myself don’t read all of it or buy it, but we read it. I don’t like the NTY, but I know it often sets the tone for other news agencies.

      • Johnny_Buffalo

        Their circulation is less than 500K so I doubt that. And not many pay to view their bias crap online.

        • Soforizo

          You can read a number of articles a month without “pay to view”; I do so every month. There are also ways around their monthly restriction.. i.e. with Tor browser.

          • Johnny_Buffalo

            my point is it’s not even worth reading and isn’t held in the esteem it once was. Basically no one GAS about what BS the NYC reports.

          • Soforizo

            –my point is it’s not even worth reading and isn’t held in the esteem it once was. —

            I can agree with that. I do so when I’m going to debate, but I wouldn’t pay for it.

    • rgentbuilders

      You don’t know if he was groveling and you don’t know the reasoning behind his battle plans. Relax, he hasn’t even been inaugurated yet.

      • Johnny_Buffalo

        The reason is he really respects the paper, it’s the paper that he been reading since birth. He wants them to write nice things about him so he can see them on the front page in the news boxes. Unfortunately he won’t the NYT will rip him apart because now he looks like he’s groveling at the feet of a paper no one reads outside of NYC.

    • He’s the author of Art of the Deal. He’s making deals, getting people’s buy-in.

      • Johnny_Buffalo

        Personally I think he’s grown up reading the paper and doesn’t’ want to be made a joke of in it. Which unfortunately he will.

  • JimH69

    Wha??? The socialist media intentionally misquoted someone??? That’s un-possible!

  • Captain Reynault

    NYT continues their “pledge to report … honestly” … If by honestly you mean make it up as they go along to support leftist agendas.

  • CAMURAI

    Global Warming is for idiots

    • jmoke

      It’s called climate lies.

  • SpineSnapper

    Just like everything else, I believe Trump is playing the MSM and others, between Haggard Harpy being let off, illegal immigration and this climate change crap.

    I will await Trump’s inauguration, and then follow his actions and those of his administration. I think Trump will let his DOJ worry about the Haggard Harpy, versus wasting his time on the minutiae. Trump has stated quick approval of the XL pipeline, drilling everywhere, etc.

  • WHYUSOSTUPIT

    nothing like media spin to illiform the left….no

  • So cool to learn that Trump’s uncle was in engineering at MIT, and most engineers instinctively KNOW that “Man-made” climate change is hooey.

  • Zazz

    people will do anything for a paycheck, especially government workers, i mean the the media

  • JeffC

    For liberals, its almost like 1781. Cornwallis has surrendered and “World Turned Upside Down” is the new theme of the day. They didn’t see that train coming that chopped them into pieces. It was inconceivable that Hillary would lose. The left hasn’t adjusted to how to deal with Trump. They threw everything in their trusty, often used playbook at him and nothing worked.

  • RightMakesMight

    What?? The leftist media elite lied about something AGAIN?? That’s par for the course for these “journalists”. They should be ashamed at what they have done to a once honorable profession. Not only do they distort facts to fit their political agenda(they are after all nothing more that the propaganda wing of the Democratic party), they are directly responsible for inciting the protests and rioting that have occurred since the election. They are also responsible for placing the President-Elect’s life in jeopardy thru their distortion of facts and their despicable fear mongering. The media has a unique responsibility in our republic to ensure that the people have the facts they need to make responsible decisions at the ballot box. I firmly believe that if the media were to give the people the honest truth, not only would Hillary Clinton have been defeated in an absolute landslide, but many of the liberal elite would be tossed out on their ears as well. Thankfully the truth is being published and the American people now have many choices as to where they get their news. If the the mainstream media do not learn the lessons that this election is teaching, they will be thrown onto the ash heap of history with the leftist, globalist ideology that they embrace so fervently. God bless America, God bless President-elect Trump. Let’s M.A.G.A!!

  • zagnut64

    Climate whores will do anything to secure the next gov. grant. Human nature getting in the way.

  • duelles

    ‘Yes! But? Do you have an open mind about it? ‘. What drivel coming from devout idiots. We invented ‘economy’ and still can’t predict where it’s going. The climate? Only Richard Dawkins or God can help us with that.

    • JeffC

      I’ll have an open mind about “it” if you can have an open mind about “me” (right)…”step over here for your souvenir photo and a complementary Donald Trump crying towel. By the way…you can obtain a photo shopped copy without my middle finger for an additional $5″

      • The_Irredeemable_Toxic_Avenger

        Gosh, I found your defense of Global Man made Warming so compelling……..Not

  • ArthurMcGowan

    The Pope is still an obedient lackey of Soros.

  • cnn Sucks

    Climate change is a HOAX! don’t drink the kool-aid!
    Pollution is real, no one wants pollution!
    PLEASE TRUMP don’t fall for it!!!!!

  • Pro 4X

    These so called monitoring instruments are a joke….they are routinely misplaced or incorrectly installed near artificial heat sources or heat sinks that render the readings useless.

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgQ9bhqTilp5xnUGwuraNWMt6hWOadEUwQ74QCSxw0cvGMcUu-cw

  • The_Irredeemable_Toxic_Avenger

    If warming is a problem for you, just install central air conditioning

  • Sherman Peabody

    So glad Trump is calling a spade a spade with regards to faux news outlets (NYT, ABC, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc). Don’t let up, Donald.

  • Joe_E_in_the_IE

    Media falsely spins Trump’s

    Might as well set a hotkey with the phrase. You’ll need it for at least the next 4 years if not 8.

  • Carson Randolph

    And the mainstream media continues to lie like dogs.

  • CAPTAIN DEPLORABLE

    Climate change is a thing that fascinates lunatic left druggies. They get off on dreaming up these End of Days scenes and make up evil plots to control the population as a result of their drug induced psychosis.

  • homeboy johnson

    So Trump told them to go eff themselves in summary.

  • DCW left coast

    The CO2 insanity is the biggest SCAM of the last 100 years . . .

    China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power, but don’t use it
    themselves. While they manufacture 80% of the world’s solar panels, they install less than 5% and
    build a new coal fired power station every week.

    In one year they turn on more new coal powered electricity than Australia’s total output.

    They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and their output will rise 70% by 2020.

    And we think we’re saving the planet?

    It will not make one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada, the United States or anywhere else in the world for that matter.

    All the politicians are doing is increasing our cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive in the world market, with their idiotic carbon tax.
    When countries like China are growing and consuming at these extraordinary rates!
    Time to wake up!

    • Jack Flash

      If Libbies want to save the Earth and reduce CO2 emissions, they could hold their breaths every other day reducing their CO2 emissions by 50%

  • Morris Minor

    The manipulation of data points is not science. The lying about the manipulation of data is also not scientific. The predictions years ago that arctic ice would be gone by now and Manhattan would be 3′ under water were based on your science yet never have come close to materializing. You are the butt of science jokes yet you still insist we are the ones who are wrong. How many more times are you going to “recalibrate” the data? You are con men and I’m not buying.

    • Jack Flash

      who are you writing about??

  • rust

    I’ve stated this before and I will say it again: the long range view for atmospheric geo-engineering (aka CHEMTRAILS) is that it will be found to be dishonest and that the scientists responsible will be purged in an effort to punish all of them for damaging the atmosphere, filling it with foreign matter and causing abnormal weather patterns. There may be executions in the future for crimes against humanity, but there will definitely be a backlash for the lying, scheming proponents of this hoax who took money (grants) to promote taxation against the rest of us.

  • Jack Flash

    The crooked left want to make a lot of money by continuing the Climate Warming as long as possible
    The looney left want to feel holier than everyone else since their goal is a the biggest: To Save the World
    The despicable UN want to make money by forcing rich countries to give the poor countries with the UN taking their cut.
    The rest of the world want to have a good life and future.

  • darkhorse

    The NY Times is going out of business, the people who write for this liberal rag are liars, plain and simple. The tragedy is that these bad Americans who write for the NY Times know and acknowledge that they are lying, the depend upon the proven stupidity of these non intellectuals who read this tripe to keep it going, but it won’t last much longer. The NY Times was slapped in the face by the good Americans on election day, since that paper failed to get the liar Hillary elected, a gorgeous failure of liberalism which has been rejected. Look for announcements of more NY Times financial loses coming soon, delightful to read.

  • MikeyDe

    If Obama regards it (climate change, global warming) as a hugely important threat, then I know it is a lie. Why should we go deeper into the Obama caused economic depression when you cant breath the air in Mexico City or Shanghi. The NYT crowd is the leftist foghorn.

  • grey

    The MSM only hear what they truly want to write about, Not write about what they truly hear.

  • gil

    We elected a fighter not an equivocator this is not what I was promised or voted for. This article does not make me feel better. His statement should have been,”no climate change is fake and designed to fill govt and corporate coffers”

  • Walter Mayyfield

    Everything, from now on reported by MSM, has to be presumed to be false. It’s a helluva way to run a newspaper but it is what it is. Depending on what your definition of “is”, is.

  • darkhorse

    By the way, man made climate change is a liberal hoax and a lie. I am a scientist, I can prove it is a lie, but can’t convince an immature liberal, they are incapable of intellectual thought, just emotion. Never, ever lost an argument with a liberal – within 2 minutes, the liberal gets mad, goes personal and cries – I always win arguments with liberals – truth destroys them.

    • Gary Mcdaniel

      Yeah, right.

  • NotKennedy

    What ever became of the climate hamster with the hockey stick? Is he still sniffing tree rings with Raj?

  • Mikey Likey

    1. You know humans are causing climate change. (Warming) or (Cooling)
    2. You know how to fix it. Stop using carbon fuels.
    3. By what metric, will you know when you have reached your goal?
    eg. CO2 changes by some amount,
    avg temp reaches a value at some location,
    or any other verifiable observation.
    .
    It’s not unlike dieting. How much weight do you need to lose, before you can go back to fried Oreos?

  • Mike Keller

    Its come to a point that any, and I mean any comments made by liberals are all lies.

  • pbtruth

    Ah yes. The print version of the home of Fake News.

  • Martin Van Nostran

    Hahaha..Leftists caught lying…..Again!

  • phoenix114

    You just know Trump is going to flip on this…..I can see it coming

  • Marsha Moore

    Guess the Lefties failed geology classes. Missed the Ice Age! LOL Texas alone had 17 varieties of dinosaurs. massive forestation. oops ice age! etc etc. global weather change fanatics are simpleminded!!

  • dosadoe

    These lying Global Warming Alarmists smell money to be made: money for fake “Science”!

  • Arthur Burnside

    The issue of global warming has become so completely politicized that “scientific
    studies” of same are often not much more than political pamphlets dressed up as
    science. The issue is NOT whether CO2 gas an effect on global warming versus or doesn’t. I know of no serious climatologists who would claim that CO2 has no effect or very little effect. Skeptics have never claimed “No effect” What is important is “How much” of an effect CO2 will have and , more importantly, why do these alarmists seem to think that energy technology will remain stagnant for the next 80 years? Listen up, children : molten salt nuclear reactors are close at hand – will go commercial in the next 5 years. They are the most revolutionary new energy technology in eons – totally safe, cheaper than any other means of producing power, will never run out of fuel, should it be nuclear wastes, uranium, Thorium, all of which can be used for fuel. Can be constructed rapidly in factories and deployed rapidly, can eliminate the issue of nuclear waste storage as anything significant, can operat eas both baseload and mid load power generators, etc. The future will make irrelevant all of this ridiculous arguing over carbon emissions because sheer economics will force the adoption of molten salt reactors, currently going thru testing at Transatomic Power, Moltex Energy, and by Chinese crash development programs. Talk of any other power production technology is mostly a display of ignorance.

  • ATCkeepsUsafe

    And I thought I was Savvy. Even when the government media complex sins Trumps words, I take the bait only because Trump is on record saying ” don’t want to hurt Hillary”, ‘I have great respect for the Clintons” “Hillary has served as an excellent senator”, “Obama has made great accomplishments in his eight years as president”.
    So, of course any Trump supporter would believe some of the spins that the Government Media put out.

    • Won’t let America die

      Says the bitter, out of work Hillary blog troll.

      • ATCkeepsUsafe

        According to your empty head, When I say the (Government Media Complex) that makes me a Hillary blog troll. You are one of our most dumbest and poorly educated Trump supporters. Did the education system fail you or did you fail the education system?

      • ATCkeepsUsafe

        By the way, I have been a Air Traffic Controller (ATC) for thirty nine years. It took a masive amount of studying and higher education to achieve my personal goal(s) in life inorder to have a (secure) position in the aviation industry, What goals have you accomplished in your life?

      • ATCkeepsUsafe

        By the way, I have been employed as a Air Traffic Controller(ATC) for the Federal Aviation Administration for thirty nine years. It took a massive amount of studying and a higher education to achieve my goal(s) to have a position in the aviation industry. What goals have you accomplished in your life?

  • Jerry Chandler

    Folks, they have all the evidence of global warming that they need. It all came out during the last Spirit Cooking at Podesta’s place. Now shut up and take a slice of pizza. On second thought, make that pizza to go, we have a PTA meeting in a few minutes.

  • Eric Young

    Novel Concept: An American president acting in the interest of Americans ! Go Trump !

  • Jim G

    Any time a lefty asks if you have an open mind, or suggests you need to have an open mind the retort must always be yes, you should, too, so you don’t look like someone with an agenda regardless of the evidence as we know it today.

    They routinely want to shame you into their level of arrogance + ignorance. They love to presume they are uniquely informed, and privileged, thus the world owes it to our collective advantage to listen and obey. To understand if we have the intellect to reach for their views, policies and laws that best govern the global community.

    Huumpf.

  • LIBSNIPER360NOSCOPE

    Trump, Please do not give the MSM the time of day. You can’t win. They can’t tell the whole truth no matter what. If you put a gun to their head and tell them they must tell the truth or die…they still can’t tell the truth.

    • Konserwatysta

      That’s one hilarious profile pic!

  • waltc4

    Climate science as practiced by global warmers is voodoo–it’s a straight-up religion devoid of facts or context and long on panic and stupidity and blunt prevarication. Global Warming AKA “Climate Change” (for those times when the weather doesn’t cooperate with the con) is a doctrine for morons–and the only people who “believe in it” *cough* are the people hoping for some personal financial or political gain from it. It’s the long con for short-term results, and nothing else. And as long as our government is run by morons, global warming is a government pinata full of the only “green” these people care for–the green of money. Follow the money, the grants, and the tenure–and you’ll find the basis for “global warming.”

  • LIBSNIPER360NOSCOPE

    The religious cult of global warming will go down in history as one the biggest tax scheme frauds perpetrated on the world. China is laughing.

  • JimboXL

    I noticed the rental car company I use every so often lets you willingly you pay an extra fee for carbon offset. Where does this money go, a scam organization that pockets it and sends its rats to lobby in Washington for more oppressive legislation that makes it tougher for lower income families to survive? The bigger question, is anyone dumb enough to pay that fee?

  • Rising

    Well, that’s what we get for giving the NYT a chance. Good work, NYT, real classy.

    How ridiculous. May the paper go the way of the shoe-shine stand.

  • Barry Bin Inhalin

    Glow bull warming.

    What a joke.

    Anyone for solar flares? Wait until there aren’t enough of them, you’ll be able to walk across the Thames, again.

    • JimboXL

      When will Dims in Washington propose “Sun Control” legislation?

  • NoMasIlegales

    Joe Bast said it best, and it cuts across all lines, not just the climate change misrepresentation of the Left: “…The Left wants to
    drive wedges between Trump and his base by spinning anything he says as
    “retreating from campaign promises.”

    Perfectly stated.

  • Won’t let America die

    Global warming.

    Climate change.

    Nothing but lies for the purpose of imposing oppressive, crushing socialist control over people of the world.

    You don’t agree?

    You’re part of The Big Lie.

  • iiRAN

    NYT = Fake News

  • throwemout

    I hope Trump’s shadow darkens their path so that all they do is keep running into their own illogical and false conclusions! What a bunch of con artists (in the name of science)!!

  • MichMike

    Obviously the left’s self evaluation about their defeats have not yet reached the point where they believe they should not LIE every time they speak. Maybe that will come about soon?

  • Lets all go to Saudi Arabia

    The EPA wants to limit economic growth and prosperity with their mandates, regulations, limits on oil exploration, and insistence on wind and solar power.

  • MichMike

    For a different perspective on the AGW scam: The personal behavior of 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES that of the other 99%. While this is no surprise to anyone, people are quite surprised when they realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL U. S. CO2 emissions (all CO2 emissions being attributable to people) and were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average of everyone else, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would immediately (not over decades) decline 17%. Yet all the plans being implemented and proposed will allow this behavior to continue unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive. Yep, a real emergency.

  • JDinMariettaGA

    Keep twisting his statements MSM. You have lost ALL credibility. Anything you say or report will be scrutinized for the next 4-8 years.

  • BeanTown Benny

    All you have to do is watch Al Gores masterpiece An Inconvenient Truth. You’ll find it in the comedy section. With trillions of dollars counting on a preconceived outcome I’ll remain skeptical thank you. Besides I have to decide on cutting healthcare or food from my budget this month.

    • drawbar

      It has to be THE worst science fiction movie ever made.

  • I-Independent

    So, who can fault PresEl’ Trump for going directly to YouTube?

  • OaktownCoug

    The religion of going green. This is the way the lefties want to control the uneducated.

    • annieoakley

      Friedman has a enormous home on acres of land. He is worried that the money will stop flowing to him.

    • Gary Dickson

      Worse than that, Leftists and other assorted collectivists don’t think that the ones they deem “uneducated” are worthy of even existing.

  • Jeffrey Gee

    The main dream, dying, dinosaur media spewing its lies and defamation as usual!

  • CLAYCE

    NYT “always” dips into the sewer for words, and it shows. Trump bathed them in bleach and common sense!

  • Gary Dickson

    Well, don’t forget that the New York Times and the rest of Big Media were still polishing the crown that they were about to place on Hillary’s head even as the Nov. 8 voting polls were closing on the East Coast.

    The Old Grey Lady doth protest too much, methinks.

  • Del

    I wish he would have said something along the lines of, “If those UN scientists that have your ear (and your pen, apparently) when it comes to global warming or climate change or whatever you’re calling it now (since the most recent trends do not support your assertions) would stop fudging the data in their favor and stop conspiring against those scientists who do not rely on skewed data (as we discovered from the East Anglia emails) then maybe the prognostications of an eminent global crisis ginned up by warming alarmists would be more believable…and YOUR credibility would still be intact. How you can dismiss such unethical behavior out of hand and continue as if there has been no compromise of integrity by those “scientists” who stand to receive millions in grant money for setting aside traditional scientific standards is disturbing to say the least, and conspiratorial at its worst. Along with the fact that “connected” former politicians and left wing corporate cronies have set themselves up to capitalize and have capitalized on the trading of carbon credits as an offset commodity. There are direct links to a newly minted “carbon exchange” (Al Gore, et al) that would effectively establish a multi-billion dollar industry that works in their favor. I think exposing the ties that bind these unethical warming scientists and the elitists trying to make a profit off their “findings” would make for interesting reading, maybe that is the real story here. By the way, wouldn’t the carbon taxes that would be inflicted mainly upon working class Americans benefit the third world dictators and our global competitors over at the UN who so strongly advocate for various climate initiatives? Looks like there’s a lot of different angles on this, why don’t you pursue some of them? Next question.”

    • Pro 4X

      I wonder, is al gores’ malibu beach house is under water yet?

      • Del

        You mean the mortgage? Because his time line on the ill gotten gain from the carbon exchange he set up is taking longer than he thought it would. Al Gore is an unprincipled, money grubbing charlatan.

  • BruceMichaelGrant

    Man-made climate change is a HOAX, a SCAM, a FRAUD and a LIE.

    Two decades of actual global temperature measurements by NASA satellites and thousands of NOAA ocean sensors show ZERO significant temperature increase in spite of alleged increases in CO2 levels.

    Liberals receiving outcome-based government grants create phony, artificially weighted computer models showing apocalyptic future temperature spikes which liberal media then use to scare the hell out of us, restrict our lives and tax our incomes.

    NONE of these models is real and none of them ever comes close to the actual record.

    • RightStuff44

      Yes! “Climate change” is the club by which the American people are beaten into submission to “share” our wealth with third-world countries. It is called “re-distributing wealth”, and it is Karl Marx’s (and Barack Obama’s) happy dream.

  • Dred

    THE MEDIA HAS LEARNED NOTHING
    THEY ARE IDIOTS LIVING INSIDE A BUBBLE https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b36aec80f8fff4ed82958800b71cc1bd7b3a5e2ed6cbd2c76896c1ea107cbe15.jpg

  • Joe Meedoo

    Trump is the breath of fresh air this country and the world needed after 8 years of a Liberal idiot in charge. The future looks a hell of a lot brighter than if that lying hag got elected instead. Liberalism is in a death spiral now with more people than ever seeing it for what it is: F.A.I.L.U.R.E,

  • Jim

    UN IPCC TFE.8

    “The most widely discussed is that of 2°C, that is, to limit global temperature increase relative to pre-industrial times to below 2°C, but targets other than 2°C have been proposed (e.g., returning warming to well below 1.5°C global warming relative to pre-industrial, or returning below an atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration of 350 ppm). Climate targets generally mean avoiding a warming beyond a predefined threshold. Climate impacts, however, are geographically diverse and sector specific, and NO objective threshold defines when dangerous interference is reached.”

    SUMMARY: Even if temps rise 2 C, there is objective study to show any harm will occur.

  • RightStuff44

    Liberalism is an incurable mental disease. The reason it is incurable, is that the liberal mind is poisoned with emotionally charged information, and it is impervious to the truth. The liberal mind is just wired that way, and unscrupulous politicians exploit the weakness unrelentingly. The mainstream media runs interference for the unscrupulous politicians. There is plenty of date available to prove that the poor American citizen is being taken for a ride, but the people who don’t fall for it are all working at real jobs and don’t have the time to fight the poison.

  • RUG

    What these climate change people can’t explain is why in the 1300’s Earth got hot. There was drought and famine because of it. It lasted 500 years. There were NO manufacturing in those days. The “greenhouse” gases were emitted by cows through their anal sphincters as [email protected] When given that data they move into tangents away from the answer. It has been proven that the human race has thrived during these warm CYCLES the Earth goes through. Climate Change used to be called Global Warming. Since the Earth has NOT warmed in the manner that these ALGORE people have stated they had to change the wording to fit their agenda. Thus CLIMATE CHANGE. I call it the cycles the Earth goes through.

  • Not Chicken Little

    The mainstream media can’t tell the truth about anything because the truth does not support the leftist ideology they espouse and want to impose upon us, for our own good of course, with them helping to rule us along with their chosen leftist political figures. This is their game and they aren’t going to give it up just because it no longer works, I guess because they are too stupid to learn and adapt. And that spells extinction for them, eventually. Freedom lovers will not mourn their demise.

  • daviedave

    More “science” needs more money. If the “science” meets the agenda, even more money.

  • Pro 4X

    When are we going to focus on the rising temperature on Mars, they are experincing the same levels of planetary temperature increase as us, why aren’t these liberals concerned about the Martian plight? Must be racist……oh wait a sec……

  • dr_bugsy

    The NYT TWICE has said it would start to be truthful in the past two weeks, and BUSTED it with two days.

    • OriginalRS

      Were they lying when they said they were trying or were they really trying and they are just such liars….if a tree falls in the forest with no one there, does it really make a sound?

    • Gary Ritzman

      Gosh the Editor of the NYT’s lied. Shocking!!!

  • Bill

    The question I have is: Are all liberal leftists Liars, or are all Liars liberal leftists?

    • Gary Ritzman

      Kinda like all Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim.

      • Bill

        The same, but different.

      • Mike

        But ALL muslims freely belong to the world’s oldest, largest, most violent terrorist organization which for well over 1400 years has been masquerading as a religion while and the same time demanding [and enforcing] “Convert or Die”.

        Anyone in the USA who is a member of this hate group needs to “Repudiate islam or leave immediately.

        • Gary Ritzman

          “Convert or Die’ is their primary directive.

  • OriginalRS

    OMG. LOL. Just frickin kill me, I’d rather be dead than have to be trapped in a room with Friedman and Sulzberger having to pretend to believe in this stuff!

  • Tom

    I kinda wonder if the temperature on Earth has anything to do with that big shinny thing in the sky.

  • trunkswuzhere

    This is good news.

  • mrviolin

    Notice how they can’t defend the lies from the scientists, they just change the subject.
    Their arguments are an”appeal to fear.” This argument has the same validity as saying “an astroid might hit tomorrow, send funds to my paypal and I’ll save us.” It’s a really big astroid, send more!!!

    • Gary Ritzman

      Scientists will change to another “scientific Fact” ( JOKING ) when their funding drys up. I hear another Ice Age has their attention. There only waiting for the money then they will jump all over it. Happened in the 1970’s. We must not forget Mother Earth will do as she wants, humans are insignificant.

  • Gary Ritzman

    The truth will never be spoken or printed by PC Liberal Socialists aka Progressives. It has something to do with their fear of “spontaneous combustion”.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    “Heartland Institute President Joe Bast …” – article

    is a lying scumbag..

    There, I corrected your sentence for you.

  • I MD

    The left take inherent truths i.e. natural greenhouse effect, and slowly build fictional narratives to scam the public with non profits, UN global domination, and Ponzi schemes to peddle insurance. Boycott The Left

  • D Yank

    Its all Bulls*#t and it’s all about the money!!! Quite wasting our tax dollars and tell these Libturds to FO!!!!

  • Tom

    These liberal leftists always have some type of “global catastrophe” around the corner (global cooling, hole in the ozone, acid rain, nuclear annihilation, over population, global warming, destruction of the rain forest, et.al.). These fascist leftists need these to obtain legislation around the world in order to: 1. relieve you of your money, 2. control your daily activities and your freedom, and 3. control the goods and services and the methods of production of businesses. Without these “catastrophes,” they could not gain the control so desperately want.

    • RightStuff44

      I guess the progressives took the story of “Chicken Little” out of the readers. I believe that little story had some kind of a moral that the progressives didn’t like.

  • Knox Schroeder

    I get tired of posting this, but, hey, what else is there to amuse myself with?

    1) Archaeologists have discovered the remains of Norse settlements on Greenland. Norse history tells us Greenland was founded as a colony by Eric the Red in 695 AD. The Vatican has records of appointing bishops to Greenland. Conclusion: Greenland was inhabited for several hundred years, approximately centered on 1000 AD.
    2) Greenland today is uninhabitable due to the cold.
    3) Conclusion: THE EARTH IS NOT AS WARM AS IT WAS IN 1000 AD.
    4) There were no greenhouse gases back then.
    5) Conclusion: Greenhouse gases don’t cause global warming.

    Not sure why this doesn’t get some love. Maybe if someone else posts it…..

    • Sammy4231

      Earliest evidence of agriculture: Natufians, Levant, 12,000 ya.
      Earliest evidence of religion: Natufians, Levant, 12,000 ya., burial of priestess.

      She made her living promising good weather for crops, to the gullible, in exchange for shiny objects.

    • No One Important

      Yep. . you can’t use “logic” with snowflakes. . .they melt. (grin)

  • ontheright

    Clean air,clean water this is something we can do ….change the weather, not so much.

  • hmmathis

    Thomas Friedman, majored in Mediterranean Studies, PhD in Middle Eastern Studies. WTF does this doofus know about science?

  • Mike

    Here is the real shame. Lying liberals contaminated the entire discussion of CO2 vs Global Warming via their own e-mails so now every time they open their mouth, one has to question are they lying again and this obstructs a good honest debate on the subject.

    From a scientific/engineering background I have zero problem discussing the effects of CO2 on climate and to what extent humanity contributes to the overall CO2 load but I refuse to be shamed into that discussion by people who were caught lying and who are such liars they need to use every dishonest trick in Alinsky’s dishonest book like they do in politics.

    If you have good ideas worthy of discussion you detest Alinsky. If you are an honest person of character, you detest Alinsky. The Global Cooling, Global Warming and the 100% meaningless term Climate Change crowd loves Alinsky and his tactics. That tells me all I need to know.

    • RightStuff44

      Yup. It’s a “Chicken Little” story to frighten the ignorant and compliant sheep amongst us. A scheme to re-distribute wealth, with the unscrupulous thugs raking off their “share”.

    • Sammy4231

      Kudos on ‘meaningless term Climate Change.’
      Paleo means other eras. The first “paleoclimate” charts didn’t go back even 1/12th of the Holocene.
      😀

  • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    This election is not over. Since election night Clinton’s popular vote lead has increased from 200k to 1.7 million. A shitft of 59,000 total in Pennsylvania, Florida and Wisconsin will give her the presidency. The DOJ is considering forcing a recount.

    • RightStuff44

      Up yours, idiot. It’s OVER and you need to lump it.

    • Aerotete

      Thanksgiving is a fine time to catch tinfoil on sale. I recommend a hat in the style of Robin Hood.

    • Curly Bill

      LSD or crystal meth?

    • Dan Austin

      We don’t know how much voter fraud helped increase Hillary’s numbers. All we know for sure is that Hillary’s campaign people were caught on video admitting to committing and organizing voter fraud, and organizing violence at Trump rallies. Some of Podesta’s emails also advocated helping illegals with drivers licenses to vote. Just normal democrat campaign tactics. It’s just that Trump won by a big enough margin to overcome the voter fraud.

      It’s not unreasonable to consider that the high Clinton support in California had a large element of voter fraud in it. Hopefully, the FBI is investigating Hillary’s campaign staff about committing voter fraud, which should be independent of Trump saying that he won’t appoint a special prosecutor. Without the current lying, corrupt leaders in the DOJ, Hillary and her people could be tried and convicted without a special prosecutor.

      • No One Important

        Exactly. He won with enough votes to outrun the voter fraud. (Which is how a republican always has to win – big enough margins)Otherwise, the “skid” can be up to 4% in some areas. . . .

    • No One Important

      Based on what?Whining?You do understand that you must be within a certain margin to ask for a recount, right?Florida win was 120,000 votes.Michigan, is paper ballots/optical scan system. No basis for asking for a recount.Even if you think you won Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. . .it won’t get her there. . she still loses.

  • Ben Daho

    When they lie to you, they are trying to control you.

    • Sammy4231

      Follow the money. They lie about big oil money backing skeptics. They make big government money doing studies that result in a need for more studies.

  • stevefraser12345

    Calling climate skeptics “deniers” tells you it has nothing to do with legitimate science but is in essence a political movement.

  • Dan Austin

    The mainstream media is filled with journalism majors who weren’t bright enough to get a degree in any kind of math, science, or engineering field. They are not logical or analytical thinkers, they live in a ‘touchy-feely’ world of liberal nonsense.

    Looks like Trump is smart enough to realize that, which is quite refreshing for a politician. But of course the media fight back like immature fourth graders who didn’t get their way, getting all upset and resorting to name calling.

  • Gary Wayland

    Democrats = The new stupid……

  • Curly Bill

    You mean the media is misrepresenting what President Elect Trump (isn’t that a beautiful phrase?) said?!?!?!?!?

    I can hardly believe it!!!!!!!

  • Gary Wayland

    I’ll believe Climate change when you can shrink the government to 1950 levels and reduce taxes by 50%.

  • Curly Bill

    There’s a fun new game sweeping the nation: “How Many Democrats?”

    It’s a variation on the popular old County Fair game where you guess how many peanuts or pickles are in a large jar. Here’s how it works:

    You and your friends go to a crowded place — like a shopping mall, a movie theater, or a sports event. Have everyone guess how many democrats are there.

    Then, loudly shout the following two words:

    PRESIDENT TRUMP

    Count the number of heads that explode to determine the winner.

  • BeansNRice

    The key to the entire issue was captured by Trump. How much? Global warming is real and it’s becoming increasingly clear, man has very little to do with it.

  • Bocon

    Of course the lefties and global warming wangers think we, that may be somewhat skeptic are nay sayers and want the earth to fall apart. We only want true facts and not propaganda! and make rich schemes!

  • honeybuckets

    Time for Trump to Drain the Swamp over at of NOAA… They’ve manipulated and falsely compared data… Away with their lying alarm!

  • Gary Wayland

    Draining the swamp = Climate change FIXED!

  • Jason Nelson

    Anthropogenic Global Warming is a completely debunked scientific theory that has morphed into a leftist political philosophy with the goal of socializing (that is the state seizing control or defacto direction of the economy) and controlling the development of the entire human race. It’s a farce. I’m so glad more and more legitimate scientists are turning their backs on this facade.

  • hma2015

    Trump is making a great effort to stop being so dogmatic in what he says, but leave wiggle room, as any president should do. The media is taking this newly found diplomatic language as his waffling. They will pick apart anything he says from now on so get used to it.

  • TheGreenButterfly

    WOW. These LYING DOGS should be taken out back and BEATEN with STICKS!!!!

  • TheAntiProgressive

    The NYT the ultimate fake news generation machine. The Grey Lady with half a foot in the grave. Here ya go NYT with your fake news and fraud explain this away…….

    The other gem from the UN IPCC was the quote In Nov. 2010, Ottmar Edenhoffer, one of the co-chairs of the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said in an interview with German NZZ Online,

    “One must say clearly that we redistribute defacto the world’s wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.”

    Yeah Otto, no illusion here, we got it.

  • GrumpyGrandpa

    I wonder if the quantity of humans on earth has a relationship to climate change. Them damn sapiens require copious amounts of oxygen, clean water and huge varieties of food, but expel CO2, foul water and enormous quantities of feces, especially in the political capitals of the world. You don’t suppose we can solve global warming with free prophylactic rubbers do you ??? I know the socialists and liberals of the world prefer starvation and/or castration, especially for whites and Christians, but I’m too sensitive for that.

  • JB

    friendsofscience.org

    real scientists…real scientific information

    Way over the head for most leftists though. You actually have to read and think when accessing the site.

  • Gary Wayland

    The old days, we have water coming into the house from the ocean, move inland.

    Now, water coming into the house from the ocean, give democrats money so they can keep ice from melting at the North Pole…. A new kind of stupid snowflake….

  • MavenNevermore

    Of course there is connectivity between humans and climate change. When it gets colder you wear more clothes. When it gets warmer you wear less clothes.

  • Nick

    Trump’s way smarter than most of the denialist commenters on this thread. He’s not going to “tear up” any climate treaties (he knows that global warming and resultant climate changes are a serious man-made problem). He just wants to be sure that the US is not placed in a competitive disadvantage.

    • jonnyamerican

      Sorry to break the news to ya, but Trump has never said he believes that global warming is man made. The facts is he has said the opposite and you can’t read or you refuse what is said. Either way you are WRONG!!!!

      • Nick

        I’m standing by my words. Trump is way too smart to believe the “hoax” nonsense. His campaign words and his president words will be different. He’s already softening (see article), and he doesn’t want to go down in history as one who blew an opportunity to deal with a very serious issue.

        • jonnyamerican

          You need to go back and read the actual transcript of what DJT said, because your take is way off. Trump said he will not give the billions of dollars to foreign governments to fight climate change and he has not changed his mind on that because the money will be spent on our infrastructure as he said.

          Again, you have fallen victim to the lying media who have fed you lies you gladly eat without searching for the facts on your own. If you are to lazy to research it yourself, then you deserve what you get for following fools…….

          • Nick

            From Reuters:
            “Trump told the New York Times in an interview that he thinks there is “some connectivity” between human activity and global warming, despite previously describing climate change as a hoax.

            But asked on Tuesday whether the United States would withdraw from the accord, the Republican said: “I’m looking at it very closely. I have an open mind to it.”

            You can take it to the bank – Trump is softening and will continue to. To ignore the problem is to court political disaster.

            My final comment.

          • jonnyamerican

            Taking 2 sentences from a conversation when the rest is not included gives a false impression and was intentional so it sounds like Trump has shifted. But if you read the whole transcript you will see Trump is still not going to be funding climate change anymore. I’m sure you won’t read the whole transcript because you don’t want to be wrong but this story and claim has already been debunked as false!

          • jonnyamerican

            Trump also said when asked the question if he believed global climate change was caused by man……..”I think right now … well, I think there is some connectivity. There is some, something. It depends on how much. It also depends on how much it’s going to cost our companies. You have to understand, our companies are noncompetitive right now.”

            He is referring to the cost of climate change regulations that are killing business and how that is a problem dismissing the question.

            Then he continued answering the question…….

            “So I’m going to be studying that very hard, and I think I have a very big voice in it. And I think my voice is listened to, especially by people that don’t believe in it. And we’ll let you know.”

            So Trumps answer was taken out of context by eliminating what he said that indicated he does not agree. They only chose 2 sentences they took out of the paragraph that made it sound like he agreed!

            Hahahaha!

    • RightStuff44

      See a medical professional. Your psychotropics are way out of balance.

      • Nick

        oh, yeah; sure, sure

  • Ads

    The entire NYT personnel drip of assholic smarmyism.

  • Wilberry
  • Scott Frasier

    Trump to MD Shear, ” I fart in your general direction….”

  • scot

    Typical liberals. Goebbels would be proud of the American media.

  • Aerotete

    The global warming hoax was invented to redistribute wealth from first world countries to third world countries, with a healthy tariff skimmed off along the way for the inventors. Actual concern for the climate was never part of their calculation.

    • RightStuff44

      Exactly!!!

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Come on now, you can’t expect Democrats to throw away a century of history by abandoning their customary 96% cut off the top of all govt transactions and actually getting jobs!?!

  • UPer

    We look forward to Mr. T’s company buying out Pinchy for 2 cents on the dollar and returning it to a real newspaper. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/066c566cce04cdda50cbd699b809fab1a286b298de1482a75816c821cbaba0a6.jpg

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Wait a minute…Trump is supposed to pay HIM? I’d demand the entire Pinchy empire, however many dozens of dollars are left in it, just to take it off his hands.

  • Darko714

    A lot whining as the liberal lies are being exposed.

  • mhatr

    Trump gave them a chance to regain the Public’s trust after his dressing down. Like a spoiled/stubborn child, they failed to learn anything. Trump, Just go straight to You Tube to address the American Public. Let the MSM realize how disposable they truly are.

  • Jack in Ga

    I know that Trump is trying to soothe the poor liberals anxiety so you just go on and keep telling them you’ll look into it, but you better cancel that Climate Change treaty like you said you would.

  • Nick

    “The U.S. has had no Category 3 or larger hurricane make landfall since 2005 – the longest spell since the Civil War.”

    So what? Doesn’t mean that we haven’t had strong hurricanes all over the place (most of them in the Pacific now are cat 3 or higher – including a record three simultaneous storms cat 4 or higher just this past year). But, even if you think that it’s significant that now cat 3 storms or higher have hit our coasts for a long time, that wouldn’t that suggest a CHANGE? What climate CHANGE is all about is…well, CHANGE.

    “Strong F3 or larger tornadoes have been in decline since the 1970s.”

    May suggest CHANGE, or nothing at all. Global warming doesn’t of necessity mean an increase in tornadoes here in the US.

    “Sea level rise rates have been steady for over a century, with recent deceleration.”

    Global sea level average rises are NOT decelerating. They may be doing the opposite

    “Droughts and floods are neither historically unusual nor caused by mankind, and there is no evidence we are currently having any unusual weather


    Not true. The Cali drought is unprecedented. Trees that have survived centuries of drought and fire are now succumbing. In my area of the country (far from Cali), we haven’t had rain for the longest stretch in anyone’s memory or records. Scientists never said droughts and floods were unprecedented; rather they said that the norms for extreme weather events would change (and apparently have been).

  • jonnyamerican

    Trump agreed climate change is real. Climate changes all the time and has since the Earth was first created. It is a normal process.

    Libertards love normal processes because there are so many to exploit for their political agenda and profitable taxation……..

  • The Fake News York Times

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      “Fabricating ‘News’ That Fits Our Views”

  • Jedd McHead

    The MSM (and the Left, in general) NEVER do learn, do they?

    • RightStuff44

      A n a l retentiveness is a bugger.

  • Serge

    The MSM these days it a total fraud. You be sure all that you read needs to be turned upside-down to see the truth.

  • 57nomad

    No pussyfooting around. Drive a stake through the vampire heart of the climate hustle once and for all.

  • ou812

    LOL.. Righty Tidy.. Lefty Loonies… there is something seriously wrong with liberal.. brain dead galore.. and the lying crooked media.. will never be trusted again in my life time….my news is from drudge, infowars.. where the truth comes out. Man.. to make money just be truthful.. it’s pretty simple concept.

  • greenmtnskier

    Waiting for wiki and assage to go after the climate change crowd. I think many would be shocked what they would dig up.

  • stevenskane

    Trump has his own media outlet and does not need MSM to get the message out. Between that capability and other supportive outlets like Brietbart and Drudge, the “spin” of the leftist insiders will no longer be effective. The left’s only hope is that Trump and America will fail so they come back to power. We won the big one, but like infectious disease the leftist, globalist “hate America” crowd will keep trying for a comeback. We must hit them, hit them again and never stop hitting them! Remember that the next election is in less than 2 years. If Trump loses the majorities in Congress, it will be very hard to defeat the climate fraud artists!

  • Gloating Trump Voter

    Bloomberg via Drudge has an article up about Americans having most hope in a decade. However, I do not read articles that don’t offer a comment section (its the only way to correct the lies of the Alt-Left liars), so I didn’t read it.

    As to Trump and Climategate, Trump supporters know that Trump knows Climategate is a hoax. We voted for him for a reason.

  • snuff1

    Imprison climate change believers. It is the only way.

  • Pax Romana

    The MSM Journalists long ago stopped being reporters of the “news”. They are now just Ideological Propagandists for the Left. To trust them with honest reporting is like trusting a child molester to babysit your children.

  • neverfooled

    Real science is formulating hypothesis, testing the theory with conclusive reproducible scientific experiment, then adjusting the theory to account for the data, then more testing until finally arriving at the truth, and finally releasing the proof to others in the scientific world for further testing using the reproducible scientific experiments.

    Unfortunately for the globull warming fanatics and frauds, their “scientists” instead adjusted the data to prove the theory leaving zero reproducible scientific experiment proving any of what they claim is true.

    The real science deniers are the globull warming tall-tale paid story tellers.

  • bob570

    Like myself most Trump supporters are Trump supporters, because we have stopped listening to the Leftist Medea long ago. Actually I think their lying is more an effort to keep hold on their dwindling base. So many of their old base voted for Trump, they’re scarred to death.

  • Truth Seeker

    Trump is quickly loosing my trust and confidence with some of the idiots he’s selected for key positions in his administration and his apparent refusal to investigate Hitlery Clinton thoroughly and effectively makes me cringe.

    However he’s spot on when he called the executives of the media a bunch of liars.

    Now I hope he makes good on the rest of his campaign promises, like building the wall, deporting illegal aliens and restricting the number of Muslim immigrants entering the US.

    • No One Important

      It was mentioned today. . .if he announces he “is” going after her, then Obama pardons her.If he says publicly that he’s not. . .Obama doesn’t pardon her. . . .When Trump takes office, there’s nothing Obama can do for Hillary. It’s not like Obama wants to go out that way anyway. that will be the “last” thing he is known for – pardoning a corrupt Clinton.

  • Alexandra

    This is hysterical. All my leftists acquaintances are going berserk stating Trump is going back on every political promise he made. Actually, it’s kind of fun to watch. The left’s mental masturbation to the point of losing an entire election…and their ever loving minds.

  • Bazd Szajba

    Yep, you have to love these so-called “morally superior scientists”.
    The science?, the temperature?, it really just doesn’t matter.
    Just like crooks in the movie Goodfellas.
    Global warming? F.U. Pay me
    Global cooling? F.U. Pay me
    Climate change? F.U. Pay me.

  • Daniel Hammond

    OSHA also took on the passive smoking fraud and this is what came of it:

    Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence: Third Edition

    This sorta says it all

    These limits generally are based on assessments of health risk and calculations of concentrations that are associated with what the regulators believe to be negligibly small risks. The calculations are made after first identifying the total dose of a chemical that is safe (poses a negligible risk) and then determining the concentration of that chemical in the medium of concern that should not be exceeded if exposed individuals (typically those at the high end of media contact) are not to incur a dose greater than the safe one.

    So OSHA standards are what is the guideline for what is acceptable ”SAFE LEVELS”

    OSHA SAFE LEVELS

    All this is in a small sealed room 9×20 and must occur in ONE HOUR.

    For Benzo[a]pyrene, 222,000 cigarettes.

    “For Acetone, 118,000 cigarettes.

    “Toluene would require 50,000 packs of simultaneously smoldering cigarettes.

    Acetaldehyde or Hydrazine, more than 14,000 smokers would need to light up.

    “For Hydroquinone, “only” 1250 cigarettes.

    For arsenic 2 million 500,000 smokers at one time.

    The same number of cigarettes required for the other so called chemicals in shs/ets will have the same outcomes.

    So, OSHA finally makes a statement on shs/ets :

    Field studies of environmental tobacco smoke indicate that under normal conditions, the components in tobacco smoke are diluted below existing Permissible Exposure Levels (PELS.) as referenced in the Air Contaminant Standard (29 CFR 1910.1000)…It would be very rare to find a workplace with so much smoking that any individual PEL would be exceeded.” -Letter From Greg Watchman, Acting Sec’y, OSHA.

    Why are their any smoking bans at all they have absolutely no validity to the courts or to science!

  • Lawrence Oleary

    Mr Trump. What you are experiencing are the actions of bad hombres from the media. Were they also crying a river? And the climate science, 90% of those scientists are there to collect their respective pensions via government grants. Keep your direction that there have always been storms. America, Great!

  • Daniel Hammond

    PASSIVE SMOKE IS 96% water vapor and ordinairy atmospheric air SG REPORT 1989 page 80!
    Its never been about health its always been about PROHIBITION.

  • SerfCityHereWeCome

    The idiots who fall for the global warming hoax are the same people who get talked into buying a new set of $6000 muffler bearings, clutch antifreeze and rustproofing for the tires every time they bring their car in to the dealer for servicing.

  • toondog

    The lying media lies again? Nooooo tell me it ain’t so.

    • No One Important

      I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you. . .to find out . . . .(grin)

  • Thermopylae

    “It {Global Warming} is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed,
    appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM.,”

    “There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate
    is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril.”

    Weather Channel boss calls global warming ‘the greatest scam in history’
    (London Telegraph, 9 November 2007)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3313785/Weather-Channel-boss-calls-global-warming-the-greatest-scam-in-history.html

  • No One Important

    Occasionally, I get these nutters at my door with this hysteria. So when they knock – I point to a tree in my yard:——————
    See that tree over there? It’s called a “Dawn Redwood.” Yea, it’s a metasequoia. Believed to be the great great grand daddy of the Giant Sequoias and California redwoods. It’s known as a living fossil, thought to be extinct until they were discovered growing in China in the 40s.There are fossilized remains of that tree growing in the ancient polar forests 250 million years ago from the Mesozoic era.So unless you can dig up a fossilized SUV or show me a cave painting of a Hummer, you better come up with an explanation of why that tree was growing 250 million years ago in forests at the poles of the earth.
    ——————More than a few times I’ve sent them away scratching their heads as they walk past that pine tree. . . . .staring at living proof against their argument. . . .Go get one and plant it. They’re only about $30.00, fast growing and a great living argument against the nonsense that they’re teaching these people.

  • Timebomb…. Deplorable.

    Simple to explain in laymen’s terms. The msm is full of s h. It.

  • notwar

    Why does Sulzberger say we haven’t had storms “like this”?
    Where is his “science” to support this?

    • James Bizzo

      Wherever they get the rest of their ‘science’

  • James Bizzo

    What else is new?

  • John Woodhar

    this is really fake news. lmao.

  • notwar

    Why did the North American Ice Sheet that covered the Great Lakes with ice a mile deep melt 10,000 years ago? Was it because of cavemen driving around in their exhaust belching SUV’s?

    • Chuck Pelto

      RE: How Did It Happen?

      “Why did the North American Ice Sheet that covered the Great Lakes with ice a mile deep melt 10,000 years ago? Was it because of cavemen driving around in their exhaust belching SUV’s?” — notwar

      Friction from Fred Flintstone’s feet….. 😉

  • Chuck Pelto

    RE: Fake News, Anyone?

    Hey! They’re the so-called ‘mainstream media’. They’re all graduates of the….

    ….Goebbels School of Journalism

    Lying is what they do.

  • Chuck Pelto

    RE: Stop It…….NOW!

    “If it’s gonna be 8 years of the media twisting everything including what Trump had for breakfast (“Toast Lover Trump Caught Eating Croissant!”) I just may have to stop watching the news.” — Duke_Sweden

    We killed our television back 20 years ago. We’re much happier and less neurotic now.

    Television is educational. Whenever someone turns one on, I go read a good book. — Groucho Marx

  • Daniel Hammond

    FDA and EPA approved propylene Glycol over 60 years ago as a hospital disinfectant!

    These babies on the Cancer society were born in it! The same as all the rest of use.

    Its used everywhere today indoors as a disinfectant and medicinal smoke aka cigarette smoke also accomplishes the same exact thing it disinfects indoor areas leaving them 98% sterile even a week later.

    SHS/PASSIVE SMOKE isn’t harming any either,they lied!

    SHS is 96% water vapor and ordinairy air SG report 1989 page 80!

    Its why OSHA wouldn’t make a rule against indoor smoking!

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Secondhand smoke is probably the fourth-biggest scam on the planet after global warming, solar panels and asbestos abatement (it’s completely harmless if it’s left ALONE, sealed from human contact, unless you EAT gobs of it every day). My father smoked 2 packs a day until I was 3 years old and on practically the same day he quit my mother took it up even more heavily until I left for college. Most of my friends from junior high onward were stoners. My lungs should theoretically be completely destroyed but I’m still in perfect health at nearly 52.

      • Daniel Hammond

        Your correct asbesto to this day still hasn’t been proven to cause disease in anyone. The same goes for direct smoking no end point studies in 120 years of trying

  • Matthew N. Drudge

    This website is such phony trash!

    • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

      ^ Useful idiot

      • Matthew N. Drudge

        You sure are!

        • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

          “Within a few years, winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” –Dr. David Viner, senior scientist at Britain’s University of East Anglia’s climatic research unit, forecast in 2001.

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Dumbass.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            “The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff… It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.”– Al Gore, 2007

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            You like to keep yourself stupid! Typical Trumptard!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Within 15 years, global temperatures will rise to a level which hasn’t existed on earth for 100,000 years.–James Hansen, 1986

            AAAAAAHHHHH—HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Pull your head out of your ass, Trumptard!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.–NASA scientist Dr. Jay Zwally, in 2007

            DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            What’s the status of the Arctic ice today, Trumptard?

      • An insanely dumb one at that .

        He’s having a contentless tantrum .

        • Matthew N. Drudge

          A dummy calling someone dumb. How ironic!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            ^ Hapless stooge swallows everything his government masters tell him.

  • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

    “Climate Change” is the Regressive Marxist Left’s primary vehicle for advancing their un-American, totalitarian, redistribution agenda.

    Glad Trump isn’t falling for the con.

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      Dumbass.

      • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

        ^ Hapless stooge for the state

        • Matthew N. Drudge

          Yes, you certainly are, Trumptard!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            “The likelihood of the Himalayan Glaciers disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.”— IPCC Fourth Assessment Report

            HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

            STOOOOOOOP! THEY’RE KILLIN ME!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            What’s the status of the glaciers in Glacier National Park today, Trumptard?

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            “We have to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing, in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”–Democrat Senator Tim Worth, in testimony before Senate Committee hearing

            AAAAAAAAAHHHH—–HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            You’ve proven yourself a robot. Typical Trumptard.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            ” By 2015, the sea level will rise quickly, and New York City will be engulfed by water.” –Bob Woodruff, Earth 2100 Series

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!

            STOOOOOOOOP!!!! YER KILLIN ME!!!!

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            ^^^^USEFUL IDIOT! USEFUL TRUMPTARD!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            climate change is the greatest national security threat America faces and is “directly related to the growth of terrorism.”–Deranged, demented, socialist, nutcase and Democrat presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders

            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • SerfCityHereWeCome

            Somebody should sue that tease for breach of contract.

          • Illogical

  • jabusse

    TRASH NEWS. ABCCBSNBCNYTPOST(S) NEWYORKER< NEWSWEEK<JOURNAL. +Alt Left one and all. Stalin did not do as well with TASS as our +AltLeft does with TRASH.

  • john wilson

    Why that there is a real big shock! The media lying? The media also showing Trump in a negative light?
    Hello, the alphabet news agencies are still lying and just as the Democrats don’t get the movement in the country and want to move even farther left, the News groups keep showing themselves as untrustworthy and will do so until no one believes them ever and they go belly up. The journalist just don’t get it. We the people don’t want to move left anymore. We want our country back and said so very loudly.

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      Only Trumptards and Drudgebots lie. And, they believe their own lies!

      • john wilson

        So ignorant, so uniformed, typical Democrat. That’s why you lost it all and will continue to lose it all, you just can’t learn.

        • Black Cat

          Its a sorosbot

        • Matthew N. Drudge

          Sure thing, Trumptard! Your ignorant generation will die out soon enough, and America will become great once you’re gone!

          • john wilson

            The markets up, people are now getting to believe again, people seem happier, face it, you were wrong and are wrong. The Democrats are a regional far left party now and will fade. Sorry dude, your kind can never make it, look at Chicago a city run by your kind.

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Your kind is aging, racist, white trash! You will be gone soon enough, and America will become great because of it!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            ^ Party of slavery’s racist knees are jerking again.

          • john wilson

            we are great now…….. you lost, ha ha ha ha

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Your ignorant generation will die out soon enough, and America will become great once you’re gone!

            Wait, I thought the earth was going to melt by then?

            DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

        We recognize that not all climate alarmists are liars. For example, here’s an honest alarmist:

        “One must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”— Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the IPCC’s Working Group III

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • MoreFreedom2

    Thank God we have the internet so we can call these liars out, and make that the news that’s fit to print (except in the MSM where they’d rather report the narrative than the facts).

    • john wilson

      Oh CNN is worse, they don’t even let you comment on their lies.

  • Fish4food

    Stormy Weather. Wasn’t she a stripper??

    • grassy knoll

      Don’t know why…there’s no sun up in the sky…stormy weatherrrrrrr…

  • Ordinary American

    We hear that both the FBI and the IRS have free time now. How about they investigate the NYT just like they investigated Tea Party Organizations, etc.

    • john wilson

      Naw, just a waste of time. they will all decline naturally. The same way “confidential magazine” went for lying years ago.

      • Ordinary American

        You are probably correct. But, I like to opine and hope for the same treatment for these bastrds that decent folk have been receiving for the past 8 years. shucks

  • Matthew N. Drudge

    The good news is that, the ignorant baby boomers who elected Trump and continue to harm America, will die out soon! America will be great once the ignorant generation is gone!

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      Trumptards hate America!

  • SoSueMi

    Perhaps the leftie climate change loons WANT more tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. If you take their ridiculous man-made climate change arguments to their logical conclusion, based on the evidence cited herein, clearly said loons want MORE extreme weather events. Funny how the actual results cited in the article differ wildly from the loons who are predicting doom and gloom if the government doesn’t “control” the climate.

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      What is the status of the Arctic ice today?

      • grassy knoll

        Last time I saw your troll a$$ disgus didn’t have the block option.

        Welcome to my block list loser,

        • Matthew N. Drudge

          Poor old, white trash!

  • What’s he going to do if the scientific community has convincing evidence but the Republican party corporatists have convincing lobbyists?

    • Treelea

      Convincing evidence? Have they been hiding it. Lol

      • Well if all you read are sites of deniars, maybe they’re in plain site but not under some hokey site named ‘climeage depot. That doesnt’ sound like it was written by the scientific community. You should have been around long enough to idnetify partisan propaganda when you read it. Or were you actually trained to WRITE IT?

        • Treelea

          Convincing evidence doesnt require manipulation or subterfuge. Hey a cow just farted oooooh nooooo we are closer to Climageddon

    • lenny2012

      Are you talking about Friedman?

      Friedman ignores all scientific evidences that Global Warming is just a cult which cannot explain or predict anything.

  • grassy knoll

    Dems are so pathetic they’ll be lucky if they retain ANYTHING in the house or senate in ’18 lol.

    • Black Cat

      The Midwest (Rust Belt) region is now a fully Republican area now. The transition really began in 2010.

      • grassy knoll

        There’s between 3100 and 3200 counties in the US, Hillary won 57, Trump took the remainder.

        • Black Cat

          Amazing

  • Ryan Lucas

    The moment “Climate Scientists” began “massaging” and “adjusting” raw data, they completely lost the argument. Just go back and look at the Raw Data, and compare it to the “massaged” data.

    It’s a stark contrast.

  • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Who’s the rapist of the land who’s hating you and me?
    DON ALD TRUMP
    Donald Trump (rapes the girls)
    Donald Trump (hates the world)
    Forever wave his fascist banner high high high high

    Who’s the rapist of the land who loves the one percent?
    DON ALD Trump the egocent

    • grassy knoll

      You’re pathetic comment to vote ratio outs you as a paid troll.

      • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        I haven’t gotten a penny.

        • grassy knoll

          Then that’s even worse,

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Not nearly as pathetic as you!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Not nearly as pathetic as you!

            “I know you are, but what am I?”

            Is that your best stuff? LMAO,

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Super geniuses ate rarely appreciated in their own time.

          • grassy knoll

            A super genius wouldn’t be trolling on disgus. and would also have a much better comment to vote ratio because of utter cleverness.

            Nice try though.

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            We’re not appreciated.

        • Fred Doe

          You spread hate, lies and deceit for free?!

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I spread love, tolerance and diversity if though.

          • Fred Doe

            AHH! Isn’t that cute! You up voted yourself because no on else would!
            Soros has taken over the “Correct the Record” payroll I see.

        • SerfCityHereWeCome

          Even so, your work has still ripped Soros off.

      • Nimadan

        Have you noticed every up-vote he’s got is from himself?

        EVERY SINGLE ONE

        • grassy knoll

          Ha good catch man- he’s desperate for attention no matter where it comes from lol.

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      Trump’s supporters really hate America! They don’t care about it, because they will all die out soon, as their pathetic baby boomer generation is fading away.

      • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

        America is defined by its founding documents and principles. The regressive Left rejects both.

        The regressive left is un-American by definition.

        • Matthew N. Drudge

          America was founded on liberalism, dumbass!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Liberalism, in the classical sense, you ignorant sheep. Which is what the Right supports today.

            “Liberalism” today is totalitarianism, you hilarious useful idiot.

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Says the useful idiot!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            ^ Hapless stooge for the state

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            ^^^^Regressive America-hating conservatrash!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            America is defined by its founding documents and principles. The regressive Left rejects both.

            The regressive, totalitarian left is un-American by definition.

          • lenny2012

            And 18th century liberalism of Founding Fathers is what we call today “Conservatism” to conserve/preserve the legacy of Founding Fathers.

            Modern “Liberalism” is socialism and stands for enslaving people by all-powerful government.

          • Matthew N. Drudge

            Wrong. Saudia Arabia and North Korea are conservative societies. Go there!

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            And what do those nations support?

            Speech codes, thought crimes laws, political speech prohibitions, government control over industry, rewarding jobs, admissions and government contracts based on race and skin color, etc.

            Who else do we know that supports these authoritarian ideals?

          • lenny2012

            It is important what do you conserve.

            US Conservatives conserve liberalism of Founding Fathers.

            North Korea is your Communist paradise. They even have free healthcare over there.

          • Fred Doe

            You have no idea what “liberal” meant in the 1700’s. Certainly not the mindless feel good, knee jerk reaction to “feeling good” that it does today. MORON.

          • Fred Doe

            Classical liberalism would be today’s libertarian ism.

          • Fred Doe

            I thought “Correct the Record” had stopped paying you idiots.

        • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          The constitution is a living, breathing document. We don’t live in the 18the century.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            The constitution is a living, breathing document.

            It’s living and breathing ONLY in the sense that it can be amended. But the left has been “amending” it for a century now outside of the bounds of the document.

            Stop supporting tyranny, slave.

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Trump is filth!

          • Fred Doe

            AGHHH! Did your 5 year old old sense, sensibilities and judgement get hurt when he was elected?!

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Not elected yet, votes are still being counted. A shift of just 50,000 votes in three states will give Clinton the electoral college.

          • Fred Doe

            And I’m sure that the dems are forging fraudulent ballets as fast as they can!

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The DOJ may force a recount in Pennsylvania, Florida and Wisconsin.

          • Fred Doe

            They should. And they should imprison all the illegals who voted and all of the democrats who committed voter fraud when they examine the vote.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Good luck with that. LOL.

          • Fred Doe

            I thought “Correct the Record” had stopped paying you idiots. Has Soros taken over the payroll?

          • grassy knoll

            That may be the case, but who’s going to protect the Dems if they steal the election?

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Voters voting = stealing an election?

          • grassy knoll

            The only way shes going to get those 50000 vote in the right counties is if the elector goes against the people, so yea. That happens put your seatbelt on and expect some dead electors just to begin with.
            Then the Reps will be coming for the rest.

          • SerfCityHereWeCome

            Lol, keep telling yourself that.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            Don’t fret — being forced to work for a living won’t kill you.

          • Fred Doe

            Honor, truth and justice is ALWAYS in fashion, except for those liars on the left.

          • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

            So then, the Constitution is alive and the Democrat Party is dead?

            “Living and breathing” is the totalitarian Left’s excuse to destroy the Constitution that they revile.

          • SerfCityHereWeCome

            Here’s your “living and breathing document” with your progressive “revisions” once all that icky, outdated freedom-of-speechy, etc., stuff is weeded out:

            Article One: Gimme all your $#!t and S T F U or else you and your family are %^&#@$ DEAD!!!

            The End.

          • Quilviov Super Genius ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That was Trump’s platform.

    • Barack Al Bama Mugabe

      ^ Diaper-soiled, thumb-sucking snowflake desperately seeking safe space

    • lenny2012

      In your song about rapists you spelled “CLINTON” wrong.

    • Briez

      Only a complete and utter numpty up ticks himself.

  • SerfCityHereWeCome

    “Between January 20th and July, the monstrous Mr. Trump is expected to make temperatures in some parts of the northeast skyrocket by upwards of 120 degrees and scorch all of our beloved children to extra-crispy cinders…*sniff*…”

  • nolcon

    When exactly has the “media” told the truth? One can find example after example of lies, innuendo, misleading statements and “may” or “could” statements by the media used to promote a leftist agenda.

  • Fred Doe

    AGW is a complete hoax and fraud, meant solely to redistribute wealth. Let’s start calling it exactly what it is.

    • Matthew N. Drudge

      ^^^Useful idiot!

      • Fred Doe

        Yes, that is exactly what AGW worshipers are. Are you a charter member?

        • nolcon

          He is!

        • John

          He works for Soros. Ignore him.

      • Michael

        Troll–congrats! You have been sprayed with new and improved troll be gone!! Adios MF!

  • Dem-Smasher

    Hoping Trump makes this announcement soon…

    Trump—

    We will no longer be communicating with members of the corrupt MSM as Wikileaks has exposed them for the Democrat Operatives that they are. The American people can no longer trust them as honest brokers of news and information. They have destroyed what little credibility they had and have only themselves to blame.

    As such, we will be taking our message directly to the American people via weekly telecasts from my office, social media, and honest, principled hosts on talk radio, Fox, and other honest outlets without the lying propaganda filter of the MSM.

    Given modern advances in communications technology, Daily
    press briefings with the corrupt media are no longer necessary and there is no longer any need for a press pool or gaggle. Times have changed.

    And finally let me add that the more the corrupt MSM complains about this decision, the stronger the confirmation will be that we are on the right track.

    This concludes my last press briefing to the corrupt MSM. Thank you and goodnight… MakingAGA!

  • Phil Niko

    The only way the media will ever learn is when enough people stop listening to them and they find themselves on the brink of bankruptcy. Then when at that crossroads they will either change their ways or find themselves in the dustbin of history.

    • Dem-Smasher

      It’s Conservatives who go on their shows or grant them interviews who
      give them their credibility anyway…Stop going on their damn shows and
      granting them interviews! This goes for all the MSM

      • Phil Niko

        Agreed!!!!

  • Jay Reconda

    Trump shouldn’t have even bothered to make nice with the NY Times; some organizations are just irretrievably irredeemable.

  • Truth

    All they ever do anymore is put out one constant stream of lies and distortions and then they have the audacity to say that truth tellers are “fake news”.

  • Vince Vega

    I wonder how much child porn is on Tom Friedman’s computer

    • Briez

      Well, whatever he’s into, you can bet his sphincter muscle is clenched with Trump coming into power.

  • Jeb

    I’ll believe Government is going to