Climate Skeptics on ‘historic’ UN treaty: ‘Does this mean we never have to hear about ‘solving’ global warming again!?’


By: - Climate DepotDecember 12, 2015 9:13 AM with 2300 comments

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  • J.E.Walker

    Please dear God!!! Make this “Global Warming” religion & insanity go away!!!

    • .

      it will make you go away

      • myview1872

        No, human caused climate change is an imaginary problem so it won’t make anyone go away.

        • CB

          “human caused climate change is an imaginary problem”

          The fact that humans warm the planet when we produce greenhouse gasses was proved over a century ago.

          MV, if you pretend a problem is imaginary, does that mean you won’t be affected by it?

          “In the 19th century, scientists realized that gases in the atmosphere cause a “greenhouse effect” which affects the planet’s temperature.”

          http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

  • Doc Farmer

    Amen! PLEASE tell me they’ll finally shut up about this!

    • anon

      stop polluting

      • Doc Farmer

        Troll alert, folks…

        • anon

          you are the troll

          • Bluto Rules

            Dumbcunt alert!

  • MK Smith

    All a bunch of horsecrap that US taxpayers will fund thanks to Obozo.

    • anon

      right wing and uneducated

      again

      • cloonfush

        Oh anon. Your vast intellect is soooo impressive.

        • Bluto Rules

          it’s just another OFA paid shill loser.

      • Political Hostage

        says the lefty.

      • sirgareth

        What are your credentials? physics? chemistry? calculus?

        • Sine Labore Nihil

          Don’t hold your breath for a reply…

      • Anddrew

        It’s the tired old lefty ploy of attempted public humiliation that no longer works. 1: most of us were educated awhile back when an education meant something and 2: any education you’ve received, sadly, is worth less than the paper it’s printed on (people had to print it and their time is worth something).

      • YoraMoron

        Unless you’re part of the global warming scam, you’re gonna get scammed like everyone else. This is the left’s religion. They literally believe wealth redistribution works like a global thermostat. You send money to some 3rd world dictator, and the Earth magically cools. Why are you so happy about getting reamed in the keister along with everyone else? Unless you’re part of the scam, you get ZERO out of this. They are literally telling you “pay now, and we’ll lower the temperature of the Earth by 0.5 degrees in 85 years.”

      • MK Smith

        Ah! The return of the troll.
        Ever heard of punctuation, idiot?

  • CrusaderImperial

    They’re pretty smart. Start the problem with contrails and HAARP, then solve it in Paris and shut off HAARP

    • anon

      NASA don’t need empty patronizing

  • nrinc

    Oh to dream. But of course it doesn’t mean that. It’s always been about leftist watermelon politics, reds posing as harmless environmentally concerned “greens”. So, no, it doesn’t mean anything of the sort.

  • Steve

    Well if that’s what it takes to shut them up than I say where do I sign?

    • anon

      stop writing uneducated comments

      • Bluto Rules

        Okay, dumbcunt, it’s party time . . . on your face.

      • Steve

        anon, get a name and come out and play with some facts. Oh right you have none. You’ve been brainwashed into liberal “save the polar bear” land.
        What a moron.

      • Rascal69

        You seem to be stuck on education…as if surviving 4 years of participation in a drunken and high stupor guarantees intelligence. I point to you as an example that it does not.

    • http://IKnowBO.com/ Slam1263

      Like you can shut up the cry bullies by giving them what they want.

      • Steve

        Slam, point taken. See comment below.

  • JohninRedding

    It is amazing how a hoax like this can capture the attention of so many people in high places. It goes to show the power of frighting people into turning control of their lives in the hopes of gaining security. That is what socialism offers though it never can deliver. It is contrary to human nature; human nature that is a part of the very people advocating it.

    • anon

      you are the hoax

      • cloonfush

        you are an idiot

        • anon

          yes, he is an idiot

          anyone denying science and reality………….without data or an education obviously is

          • DAMION

            it’s a tax empowering scam anon not science, wake up you conditioned ninny

          • Crozetian

            Science does include the sun, which has more to do with climate and temperatures than cow farts and carbon. If not, you can stop breathing. Maybe we can ban marathons and stop those thousands of runners huffing and puffing, and save the planet. Gawd!

          • GD in VA

            And what, oh great and powerful anon, is your educational background? And whose reality are you denying?

          • sirgareth

            The gubmint egdymucated him…..he’s “close enough for government work” now.

          • Mr Flippy

            you’re an idiot. I guess you think the “science is settled”…

          • richardjf

            Sure he does cause gore said so. lol

          • Cornelius

            follow the money and the control, young mush-head

        • anon

          your comment and your opinion are ignored internationally why is that ?

          AN INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY ?

          hahahhaha !!!!

          it’s a conspiracy known as “an education”

          • nrinc

            The more you lefties whine about the bloated importance of “international opinion” of political bureaucrats the less people are going to care about this nonsense. So, keep it up!

          • anon

            IT IS NOT LEFT OR RIGHT

            IT IS NOT BLACK OR WHITE

          • nrinc

            OH REALLY, LOUDER PLEASE, LEFTIST-WE CAN’T HEAR YOU.

          • DAMION

            It’s man’s feel good ‘ego’, you give up on God and you create a new religion with an original sin, how friggin convenient …

          • Bill Erickson

            The feel good ego is a tool used against the well-intentioned misinformed. The benefactors of the false religion are those individuals (usually dictators and fascists) who control unproductive populations. The term ‘wealth’ used by these scammers is marxspeak for what we know as productive earnings and assets. To be recipient one must control a population with a proven history of non-productivity or be integrated in the cash flow of the wealth transfer.

          • Jack Straw

            It is TROLLING…..

          • Crozetian

            No, it’s green. Money drives this hoax.

          • GD in VA

            And red.

          • richardjf

            The UN gets the money. I bet Moon smiling on his way to buy his new car. Guaranteed its a big gas guzzler. China laughs because there no strings on them. What we do is offset by China, India. etc.
            Climate change is really Money change like money changes hands an Moon an his sticky finger son gets to handle it.

          • Hawgz Wylde

            What are your qualifications in order to defend what is an obvious scam of global proportions?

          • Cornelius

            you are getting closer…………..try, true or false———–

          • NJ Conservative

            It is a Leftist money/power grab, nothing else.

          • DAMION

            ahhhh, all those nations signing on get money to do so, fool and they’ll take our money laughing…..

          • Political Hostage

            So are you educated enough to know that East Anglia University threw away 80 percent of all data from the thirty year period they were studying because it didn’t fit the GW model? Or are you smart enough to remember that the NOAA has been adjusting, by hand, global temperatures upward to make it look warmer? How is it science when the data was fixed?

            Face it, you’re just not that bright. No go flip my burger.

          • GD in VA

            It’s that new fangled science that us old farts didn’t learn back in the stone age. This new science is more “science-y” and just better because its NEW! 😉

          • Political Hostage

            Common Core science eh? 😉

          • K K

            carbon copy core science

          • richardjf

            Shitp I didnt look at your reply till I made mine..

          • sirgareth

            Yeah the old fashioned science needed to actually work. This new science has slipped the Earthly bonds of logic and reason.

          • depressionbaby

            I love that; “slipped the Earthly bonds”.

          • Bill Erickson

            This new science is the study of fund driven outcomes. Critical thinking has become ‘hate speech”

          • Bill Erickson

            We old farts had to learn about ‘scientific method’ and critical thinking. This new wave of “scientists” have become experts on fund driven outcomes,

          • GD in VA

            Exactly. Scientific method and critical thinking have gone out the window.

          • richardjf

            (common core)

          • NJ Conservative

            Anon is one of this useful idiots. He is a lemming that buys anything that comes out of Obozo’s mouth.

          • Crozetian

            There are many things that scientists believed in the past that were eventually debunked by new discoveries. To make a religion out of a popular belief is like something out of the 15th century. For this hoax, follow the money. Many scientists and professors are making a living on this industry, and billionaires are counting on making a killing on carbon credits. Leftists are using it for social engineering and wealth transfer to poorer nations. Wake up, you are being duped. Climate has always changed, and will continue to change — on its own, and the biggest factor is the sun. You want to see climate change? Wait until the sun starts burning out.

          • your neighbor

            …The sun has begun its’ descent in age, and the moon slips father away in orbit every day. Tax it ! OR better yet, let’s tax crashing into Andromeda Galaxy. Its inevitable — it;s gonna happen — this inconvenient truth and clear and present danger. Ohhhh, the humanities. Give Generously Today

          • Crozetian

            The trouble is, the money is confiscated from us, not given generously. Confiscated at the point of a gun, also called robbery.

          • Anddrew

            You mean like when the Gorical and company said NY would be under water in June of 2015?
            Moron doesn’t even begin to describe this anon idiot.

          • Hawgz Wylde

            You didn’t answer the question from the poster above. Exactly what is your education on the subject matter? Troll much there lefty?

          • Rascal69

            You will receive an education as you experience the reality of climate change that is undergoing a drop in temperature. Now, we can point to the efforts of idiots such as yourself for even more death due to cold temps. Congratulations stupid.

          • Hawgz Wylde

            Perhaps the left finally figured out a way to control global population. If they can bring on an ice age, many more would perish than would if the Earth was really to warm…

          • Cornelius

            speaking of education………….and another hoax———you might be on to something

            how about this…………….get taxpayer money out of education

          • sirgareth

            Bingo, government and education do not mix.

          • posse rush

            yeah you should get one FOOL

          • jeffersonian_nc

            Stop right there “anon”. The problem is that you did not receive an education but a brainwashing. Thus you are not capable of understanding anything than what is fed to you. So be a good puppy and go sit in your corner now.

          • jamcar

            something you should endeavor to obtain. The cooked books, the ever changing “goalposts”, the disproven predictions; what will it take? Obamacare has flattened this economy, but no one on the left will cop to it. Now carbon taxes will forever cripple us, as our competition grows fatter on our own stupidity, and you “people” cling to this INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY like a ISIS member clings to his Koran and bombs

      • Skeptic

        You’ve been duped, Gomer….

        • nostudme1

          Gruber

      • Bluto Rules

        Oh, another OFA paid shill loser in attendance.

      • Political Hostage

        Everyone wave and say hi to today’s Village Idiot Award winner.

        • Bluto Rules

          Yup, OFA paid shill losers tend to be idiots, like AFelch.

      • Wodie

        Hey anon, I’d laugh and call you a troll who selectively filters and reads/interprets only what you want to hear, but since you value “education” so much, I’ll give you one. Since you lack the knowledge/historical perspective to understand how dogmatic science can be, I’ll give you one simple example:

        Use your fancy little google machine to look up the “Big bang vs steady state universe” debate. Then look at the laundry list of very smart, yet dogmatic scientists who refused to accept the concept of an expanding universe. Albert Einstein was at the top of the list. Yup, the genius who brought us special and general relativity actually denied empirical and observational evidence and refused to believe what was later proven to be accurate. He needed his world view to be a certain way, and so it would be (right or wrong.)

        So good luck with your world view. I’m sure you’re just as “open-minded” in other disciplines as you are on the subject of weather control.

        • Bluto Rules

          Whoa, dude, you are way over AFelch’s pointy little head.

      • Miles to Code

        And you’re a D-list troll.

      • Mr Flippy

        Al Gore? Is that you?

      • Rascal69

        And you’re just an f-ing moron, so what?

      • shank_black

        Go get educated.

      • Jeff – OKC

        Useful Idiot, the only bodies more wrong than you are your liberal educators. Please reinsert head in sand.

    • Tomas Cruz

      One indisputable fact, the champions of the planet left the mother of all historic carbon footprints that may never be rivaled. So it’s hard to take them serious. It looks like it was all about money and power. Our money and their power..

      • Zlurgh

        It’s never been about anything ELSE but money and power.

        • Bill Erickson

          Of course. The benefactors are those individuals who control unproductive populations. The term ‘wealth’ used by these scammers is marxspeak for what we know as productive earnings and assets. To be a ‘wealth’ recipient one must control a population with a proven history of non-productivity or be integrated in the cash flow of the wealth transfer. Poor people anywhere will not benefit from any of this. At least they can still talk about the weather.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Thank you for admitting that the Denialis Opposition has never been about anything else but money and power.

          • Zlurgh

            That’s a load of crap. My PERSONAL problem is that AWG is a socialist PLOT to undermine capitalism, steal its productivity, re-distribute the wealth created by capitalism to the world, and then leave capitalism discredited because, “look how it failed”. And anyone with a BRAIN can see this.

            If they want to do all that….then WHY can’t they do democratically? Because they CAN’T do it democratically if they tell the truth…so instead o they disguise their ambitions by taking a STUPID climate theory, cloaking it in “science”, and then duping YOUR dumb a$$ with it.

      • tg

        Yes – THe idea of this global warming is to pass the world wide carbon tax – taking trillions and trillions from economies, while China, India, mexico are all exempt – who are the greatest ecodisaster countries on the planet.
        unbelievable how stupid so many are for not putting 2+2 together.

        • mack2

          Dead on – and guess who is connected to the the cap and trade exchanges that will trade in carbon credits as part of this deal? Ayers, Gore, Obama, and friends. They stand to make $$billions on this.

          • Atty Tude

            Gore has already made millions.

          • RLABruce

            Gore wants more millions, plus world-wide power over people. After all, we didn’t make him President, so he has a score to settle…..

          • Atty Tude

            Good point.

            Don’t thwart these democrats in their quest for power. Gore, Hillary … Yikes.

          • Bill Ingram

            What a perfect name for a politician – Gore…… Rhymes with Whore.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Gore also Rhymes with More.

            The world could use more Gore.

          • Bill Ingram

            That is even BETTER.
            More Gore Whores.
            I just doubled down on your comment
            Thanks. – and keep them coming. This is sooo… much fun

          • Bill Ingram

            But he still has his head up his (you know what). or up someone else’s who is more important than he is.

          • Smellmyfinger

            Can’t beat them maybe we all need to join them and shove it all the way up their a$$e$, tee shirts, trinkets the sky is falling the sky is falling

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Good idea. But could you really stomach a life of telling the truth?

            I find it liberating, but you would not be able to stomach it.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Gore is vastly smarter than you are.

            But then most people are.

          • tnizzle

            I believe this scam will be worth trillions, not billions to them in the long run if they pull this off. It’s sad we don’t have more real scientists speaking out about how falsifying data (NOAA) is FRAUD, not “settled science”.

          • DavidAppell

            NOAA, like all research groups that calculate temperatures, adjusts the data to remove biases. The satellite groups do this too.

            How would you remove those biases?

          • moiaussi

            What biases? You calibrate you instruments. You prove your calibration method. You determine your error margin and you include this in your calculations. None of which have been done by the warmists. What they have done is to take urban heat island readings and use ‘adjustment’ curves to ensure that all readings say the same thing. Of course urban heat island readings have gone up over the decades, and we have been warming out of the LIA. It’s a lot of very poor science and very poor understanding of technology.

            If your instruments don’t say what you expect them to say then you check your science.

          • Bill Ingram

            I had one prime example of global warming that was eventually debunked. It seems one of the major temperature sensing sites in “Ohio” was originally out in the open (early 1800’s) but a town grew up around the site and buildings and roads etc grew up alongside this temperature sensing site. A Power Transformer was placed next to it in the mid 1950’s which REALLY heated up the site and in retrospect, data showed the sudden rise in collected data but it was never investigated. It was just ASSUMED that it was a natural change.

          • Peter Thompson

            40+ years ago 73% of the data collection centers were rural, now, less than 10%. They still adjusted the early data downwards to show a more significant trend upwards.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The odd thing is that when you add the sites that show an urban heat island effect to the sites currently used by the USCN, the amount of warming – as computed by NASA and the NOAA goes DOWN. Not up as you Denialists think.

            But then the Denialists don’t exist in the reality based community.

          • Ken Martin

            It’s the sun, not man, that causes variability.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            If it was the sun then the upper atmosphere would be warming and not cooling as it is doing), and it would have been noticed by the satellites and ground stations that are constantly monitoring the sun.

            Sorry boy, but it’s only the sun in mentally diseased minds.

          • Ken Martin

            It’s the sunspot activity, read about the Maunder minimum, coming again soon. Liberals are the ones with diseased minds.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            And what happens when this speculated Maunder Minimum is over, and global temperatures stop being artificially depressed?

            The last Maunder Minimum lasted 70 years. This would mean that even if the earth’s temperatures were depressed by a 1’C cooling, in 2170, the temperatures which will then be 3’C warmer than now, will rapidly rise another 2 to 3’C over period in which the new Maunder period exits.

            So Global Average temperatures will have risen by about 6’C by 2170, and the earth will be committed to another 6’C warming after that due to the thermal inertia of the oceans and residency time of CO2.

            8’C is a human extinction level event.

          • model94

            prove it.

          • Ken Martin

            What happened to that theory over the last 18 years?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Since climate is defined as the average weather over a 30 year period, The “theory” doesn’t apply to the last 18 years because the last 18 years isn’t climate. It is weather.

            But over the last 18 years the temperature has risen quite substantially.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Currently, global average Temperatures are the highest they have ever been in the last 120,000 years.

          • Ken Martin

            Not very bright are you? What is the air density at higher altitudes? What is the normal temperature at 60,000 feet? What relation is there to temperature and density of the air at high altitude? Get back to me when you have the answer genius.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Air density is a function of altitude. You omit an altitude so your question is incomplete and can not be answered.

            Basically you asked “How long is a piece of string.”

            “What is the normal temperature at 60,000 feet?” – Ken the Kook

            About -57’C This temperature is pretty much static through the tropopause.

            Atmospheric density drops with this function for the lower 80 km of the atmosphere d = d0 x 10E(-3*m/50,000)

            Where d0 is surface density, d is density at altitude and m is the altitude in meters.

          • model94

            Except on buy-one get-one coney day.

          • Ken Martin

            You got me on that one.

          • Maus

            I’ve always wondered whether Neanderthal man blamed the invention of fire for the demise of his wonderful, ice-covered world, with its abundance of wooley mammoths and other necessities. Wow… warming sure ruined that planet, didn’t it!

            If “climate change” fools ever looked at the geologic and fossil record…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The ice ages are cause by subtle, long term variations in thee earth’s orbit and rotational inclination to the ecliptic.

            If you want to find out what a cave man thinks of this, then ask any Republican.

          • Paul Blair

            Tell us, When did the “subtle, long term variations in thee earth’s orbit and rotational inclination to the ecliptic.” …stop, or stop effecting climate …so now we can be sure any fluctuations over a selected short term are because of humans?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            They have always and will always effect the Earth’s climate.

            But since they operate on time scales of 100,000 years, 25,000 years, 160,000 years, etc, they haven’t had any significant effect over the last 200 years.

            My goodness you are silly.

          • Grendel007

            You exist in political reality. Not actual reality. Please don’t confuse the two

          • Jeff H.

            “Somehow, they managed to calculate Earth’s temperature within 0.01
            degrees – even though they had no temperature data for about half of the
            land surface, including none in Greenland and very little in Africa or
            Antarctica.”

          • Jeff H.

            Data from NOAA.

          • RIMSPOKE

            HUNDREDS OF THE NOAA TEMP SITES ARE POORLY MAINTAINED
            PLACED IN ASPHALT PARKING LOTS , NEAR AC EXHAUSTS
            AND NEAR AIRPORT RUNWAYS WHERE JET EXHAUST BLOWS PAST
            THEM 100 TIMES A DAY .

            THEY ARE ALSO NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED , ESPECIALLY IN OTHER COUNTRIES .

            THEY CLAIM TO HAVE COMPENSATED FOR THESE DISCREPANCIES ,
            BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT ? MAKE UP NUMBERS ?

            THIS IS THE DATA THEY USE TO SAY THE EARTH IS WARMING AND THAT 2014 WAS THE HOTTEST ON RECORD .

            THE SATELLITE DATA IS ACCURATE , CONSISTENT & EVENLY DISTRIBUTED . IT SAYS WE ARE NOT WARMING & THE ICE CAPS AGREE .

            SO WHY DO THE WARMISTS CHOOSE KNOWN FAULTY DATA THAT IS BASED ON 1940’s TECHNOLOGY WHEN ACCURATE MODERN DATA COLLECTION IS AVAILABLE ?

            THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SCIENCE OR EVEN THE TRUTH
            AND THE SATELLITES ARE NOT GIVING THEM THE AMMUNITION THEY WANT .

          • twinspeedr

            YELLING…. doesn’t make people want to read your comments.

          • RIMSPOKE

            NOR DOES GETTING NIT PICKY OR ASSUMING
            PEOPLE ARE YELLING WHEN THEY ARE NOT .

            HOW MUCH ARE THE CAPS COPS PAYING YOU ?
            THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN A CAPITAL CITY .

          • TNitke

            Are you really this stupid? Nobody reads posts that are in all CAPS. What don’t you understand about this? Is this whole “internetz” thing new to you? wtf

          • model94

            actually i agree. Ditch the caps.

          • SquidBonez

            Yeah, fellow skeptic here…

            …please stop with all the CAPS.

          • TNitke

            Stop with the all CAPS moron!

          • Jovet

            There are temperature stations photographed next to air conditioners and other heat sources. It’s a complete farce.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            With satellites you have to compensate for time of day drift, orbital shifts, orbital decay, and weather you are over open ocean, over clouds, over ice, instrument calibration, inter-instrument bias, as well as breaks in the data and a host of other factors.

            Gores plan to measure the earth’s temperature from L1 where the earth is always fully lit by the sun was a spectacularly good idea.

            ,

          • hunterson

            “Reality based community” is so ironic coming from you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, “Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush,” quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Republican Karl Rove):

            The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

          • hunterson

            Wow, you sound like you are reading a script from an SNL “Deep Thoughts” skit. And if you believe that taxing carbon will manage the worlds’ climate you have really moved out of reality.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The quote from Karl Rove shows how well he knows you, and how easily you are manipulated by him and others.

            Sucker……………..

          • Ovary Clinton

            Tell me ,Warmer zealot, what’s the perfect temperature?

          • hmastercylinder

            Touche.
            I’m also worried that we actually do some of the hare-brained things they demand and it actually WORKS!
            But it’s already cooling, so we are slammed into another ice age.
            Hubris, thy name is climate scientist.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The optimum temperature is the temperature that the biosphere has evolved to survive in.

            That temperature wold be the temperature of the pre-industrial era.

          • Ovary Clinton

            So in other words, you have no clue. Just some arbitrary number you zealots pull out of thin air.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            My response gives you the ability to answer your question accurate to 3 significant digits.

            Are you incompetent and unable to do it yourself? Or are you too stupid to do it yourself?

            Global Temps have risen 1’C over the last 50 years.

          • Ovary Clinton

            Your globull warming graph doesn’t intimidate me zealot. Tell me assshole, I’m too stupid to figure it out. What’s the perfect temperature?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yes. You are far too stupid to figure it out.

          • RIMSPOKE

            IT JUST MIGHT SHOCK YOU TO DISCOVER THAT INFRARED LASERS GO THROUGH CLOUDS & ICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE COLD .

            ALL OF THE VARIABLES YOU MENTION ARE PRECISELY COMPENSATED
            FOR BY COMPUTERS . LAND BASED READINGS ARE STILL CRAP BY COMPARISON

            GORE’s IDEA IS ONLY GOOD IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO IGNORE THE
            HALF OF THE DATA THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU . SPECTACULAR !

            SHOOTING THE MESSENGER IS DISHONESTY AT IT’S FINEST
            AND YOU HAVE QUITE AN AIM SIR .

          • TNitke

            Hey DUMMY! Stop with the all CAPS!!! Nobody wants to read your comments like that – regardless of the content it is unreadable. Do you understand this?

          • hmastercylinder

            At least he uses paragraphs, if not correctly.
            ALL CAPS and no spacing render it completely unreadable.

          • RIMSPOKE

            IT IS ONLY AN ATTEMPT TO WEED OUT PICKY PEOPLE .
            APPARENTLY , IT ISN’T WORKING .

            I MEAN SERIOUSLY , I READ YOURS .
            IS NAME CALLING REALLY APPROPRIATE ?

            HOW ABOUT YOU TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC ?

          • Narf

            …you park a temperature gauge next to an air conditioner, or on a spread of asphalt–something that is GOING to generate heat–and then pass the results off as though it had been parked in a verdant forest.

          • largejack

            Do you really think they’re bothered if their calculations match up or not? They’re simply not bovvered as long as they have a method to completely control our lives. We ‘skeptics’ can argue blue in the face about the facts, but if we’re going to get this noose off our necks we need to indict their fraud, but as they own the judicial system that’s never going to happen. So we’re screwed basically.

          • JR48

            Please add the probes that do not exist, where they extrapolate data from one place and guess about the temperature in another.

            Science has nothing to do with the political agenda of warming. You learn in third grade about the scientific method and one is supposed to follow the data, not cram the data into one’s hypothesis. But if they did that, whoops, there goes the grant monies.

          • hmastercylinder

            You would also admit that although we’d like to collect data for current reasons and to have them for study in the future, making bold statements that cost trillions on this tiny bit of reliable data is crazy.
            Theory, data, results.
            They’ve got it all turned around, don’t they?
            Also, given the subject at hand, isn’t the climate always either heating or cooling? Volcanoes explode, A World War occurs. An oil field is set alight. I thought everything of real interest is at least a sine curve in complexity, didn’t you? Nothing in nature is a linear relationship. It always reaches a point of inflection and heads back the other way.
            I wonder if Obama knows what a sine curve even is?
            Given all the ups and downs of climate since mankind has been here, perhaps the question being asked should be “is the climate today similar to any point between the max and min of historical knowledge?”
            Trees may not give evidence, because we don’t understand them as well as some cranks wish we did.

          • DavidAppell
          • DavidAppell

            “…and we have been warming out of the LIA.”

            That doesn’t have nearly enough climate forcing to account for modern warming. At best it gets you back to baseline.

          • DavidAppell

            “It’s a lot of very poor science….”

            How are you qualified to judge the science?

          • AZfederalist

            Well, the first thing is you document very thoroughly exactly what it is you are adjusting and why. You explain why your calibration values were wrong and why you have to “adjust” the temperature readings. You subject those rationale to real peer review, not just review of those who already agree with you.

            What this looks like is that the conclusion (global warming) has been reached and that the data needs to be adjusted to align with the conclusion.

          • Bill Ingram

            – which global warming? There are MANY and we have lived through and evolved to where we are today despite those changes.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            2,000 years ago, the climate changes and you pick up your tent and go.

            Today people have huge investments in their homes, and communities .

          • hunterson

            So you actually think that taxing carbon will control the climate?

          • opjyhwk

            Well, it will sure make Gore and Obama and a few hundred of their best political buddies richer than hell and add multiple layers of political control on us peons.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            No, I think that taxing carbon and pricing it at a level that reflects the environmental damage it is causing when burned, will send a signal to carbon consumers to find ways to emit less.

            And in so doing their actions will alter emission levels, and put a damper on Global Warming.

          • hunterson

            Is it back to “global warming” now? The dependable maroons of climate gullibility.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Currently it is warmer now than at any time in the last 120,000 years.

          • Patricia Henry

            2000 years ago we did not have fossil fuels to burn to keep warm or fuel our air conditioners. True modern science allows people to live where they want to because modern technology allows for us to warm or cool our living environment – unlike 2000 years ago

          • Patricia Henry

            Vendicar – why do you hate plants so much? Plants need CO2 to BREATHE – why would you deny the very thing that plants need to live as if it is a pollutant? Furthermore, plants EXHALE OXYGEN so if you reduce plant life on this planet by reducing CO2 you WILL reduce oxygen as well. The climate extremists hate plants as well as people apparently!

          • RIMSPOKE

            INTERESTING .
            SO WHEN DO YOU THINK PEOPLE INVENT THE BUILDING ?
            HOW ABOUT CITIES ?

            CAN YOU REALLY STOP CLIMATE CHANGE BY MOVING ?

            I THOUGHT THEY DIDN’T HAVE CARS OR FACTORIES BACK THEN
            SO WHY WOULD THEIR CLIMATE HAVE CHANGED ?

          • TNitke

            Hey RIMJOB – stop with the all CAPS moron!

          • LiveFree

            But even a biased temperature instrument will record a change to be correct. The absolute temperature should be meaningless when looking at changes. However, the government will take an instrument’s re-baselining to be THE change. So, my temperature was 1 degree off and I recalibrate, the government says “OMG temperature changed by 1 degree!” Well, no it didn’t. My instrument’s readings did, but they did across the board. If we analyzed a common baseline’s temperature deltas, we would find nothing.

            Future generations will look at us as flat earthers.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I blame the thermometer makers. they are in league with the moon men.

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          • hmastercylinder

            Who’s “Us” white man?
            Tonto was a cool dude. How did the Lone Ranger stay so CLEAN?
            As usual, a very tiny group of unscrupulous dopes are lying to get their way. I have much experience with such. They will never admit to fudging anything. No, not even if burned at the stake. Not even on a trivial point.
            We could try, though….

          • VendicarDecarian0

            So it’s all a grand conspiracy is it?

            I guess the Biologists must be in on it because they see species migrating north and up mountain slopes to better cope with rising temps.

            And the glaciologists must be in on it for observing the recent reality that virtually all of the worlds mountain glaciers are melting.

            And the Physicists, and the Chemists, and everyone all down to the Candle Stick Maker and the Baker.

            But not the pure as snow, heaven sent Denialist crank.

          • EagleJim

            Show me a biologist who is also a climate scientist. How would a biologist now that what he is observing is due to man-made warming, or a natural long-term cycle of solar storms? How would a biologist know that the warming is due to greenhouse effects and would continue forever instead of some natural cycle of warming to cooling to warming to cooling…..?
            Did the glaciers you’re referring to exist before the last ice age? Were the glaciers there since the beginning of time? Why wouldn’t the glaciers melt after the last ice age and why wouldn’t they be melting now if the temps are now warmer than during the ice age?
            Are you assuming that world temps have remained constant throughout earth’s history? Seems to me that the only constant in earth’s temps and climate is that the earth’s temps and climate are always changing.
            So, ah, maybe it’s you who is the crank and not the skeptics of man-made climate change.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Show me a biologist who is also a climate scientist.” – SillyJimbo

            So what you are trying to say is that a biologist can’t report his/her observations
            that animals are slowly migrating north-wared, and up mountain slopes because they can’t predict the weather.

            Isn’t that saying that you can’t report that the price of your lunch has gone up because you can’t predict the value of the stock market?

            You silly little, Kookie, Kook.

          • tward3

            “north-wared”? What is north-wared? Is that a word in your climate fool world?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Google thinks that “north-wared” is a word.

            Let me correct and repost so that your tiny little brain does not have the fatal distraction.

            “Show me a biologist who is also a climate scientist.” – SillyJimbo

            So what you are trying to say is that a biologist can’t report his/her observations
            that animals are slowly migrating northward, and up mountain slopes because they can’t predict the weather.

            Isn’t that saying that you can’t report that the price of your lunch has gone up because you can’t predict the value of the stock market?

            You silly little, Kookie, Kook.

          • Fred Beloit

            How about some links to these biological “observations”?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Increasing species richness on mountain summits: Upward migration due to anthropogenic climate change or re-colonisation? – Journal of Vegetation science – Vol 18, issue 2

            Young Fish Are Also Moving North, Thanks to Climate Change

            Read more: http://marinesciencetoday.com/2015/10/05/young-fish-are-also-moving-north-thanks-to-climate-change/#ixzz3uIrIdHHM

          • Fred Beloit

            Thanks for your efforts.

          • Patricia Henry

            Go ahead and buy your property in Alaska – I’ll invest in property closer to the equator thanks because what you climate extremists are in fact doing is obscuring the real facts that the biggest danger to life on this planet is COOLING and that comes from a quiet sun which some scientists are now predicting to begin in the year 2020.

          • RIMSPOKE

            AH YES ,

            THE AGW EXTREMISTS CAN’T MAKE A GOOD PREDICTION
            BUT THEY REALLY DO MAKE UP FOR IT WITH NAME CALLING .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Are you assuming that world temps have remained constant throughout earth’s history?” – SillyJimbo

            You sooooooo desperately want it to be something other than CO2, so you desperately grasp at any failed argument you can in order to maintain your “it’s not CO2” delusion.

            This is why you Uneducated, Luddite Denialists are the laughing stock of the entire world.

          • pd

            Laughing stock of the entire world? That would be You & your ilk who seek to repress any who question of your conjecture of global warming.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You denialists are right up there with the UFOlogists and the amature Bigfoot Paleontologists.

            The primary difference is that you don’t have the intellectual capacity of the other two, your life is full of nothing but whining and moaning.

            Most Warming Denialists have lost the ability to even perform simple addition and subtraction.

          • pd

            If you’re capable, consider becoming proficient in calculus and statistics. Analysis of variance should be a tool you might find useful. There is a theory commonly called the Chaos Theory you may find interesting. Its explores what happens when there are an infinity of variables.
            I’m talking serious science, not the drivel put out there by the emotionally unstable. If you are not capable of grasping the afore mentioned subjects, sit down & shut up.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yawn. My formal training is in high energy physics and astrophysics.

          • Fred Beloit

            Oh no you don’t. YOU birds are the denialists. You deny climate change. You claim the climate is only warming more and more. That is the opposite of what a climate change believer believes, in fact knows from observations, i.e., that the climate warms and cools.

          • Patricia Henry

            The weather has had extremes in past history *before* fossil fuels were burned and even before humans walked the earth – THAT IS BECAUSE OUR CLIMATE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMANS YOU IMBECILE

          • Paul Blair

            Just what are your credentials …oh wise one?

          • opjyhwk

            Adding names to your name-calling list.
            How Obama of you.

          • RIMSPOKE

            AN UNEDUCATED PERSON WOULD BLAME CLIMATE CHANGE ON
            SOMETHING THAT IS NATURAL , ESSENTIAL AND ONLY 0.04 % OF
            THE ATMOSPHERE .

          • Jovet

            We’ll see what future history says of that matter.

            When unbiased and un-tampered temperature data shows it’s actually getting warmer everywhere on Earth, then I will start to take global warming seriously. Until then you might as well try and convince me Halley’s Comet is going to wipe us out. I can make a computer model predict anything you want.

            In the meantime, CO2 is not going to destroy our world. This is not Mars…it is not a significant segment of the atmosphere. The concept is laughable. The magnetic pole reversal won’t wipe us out, either. Same for alleged acid rain, alleged ozone holes, and alleged gamma ray bursts. The universe is a huge scary place but we don’t have to behave as if we are frightened children, clinging to our mum’s leg.

            What we should do is work together to eliminate wanton pollution because we want to and it’s the right thing to do. Not because the sky is falling or there’s a politically-correct pistol to out head. While we are at it, we should love and respect each other more, cure cancer and AIDS, end poverty and homelessness, feed the hungry, and treat the sick and injured. None of these struggles are new or unfounded. How does global warming/climate change truly fit into this mix, hmmmmm?

          • elizabethrc

            There also one constant: there will always be people of limited intelligence who grab onto an idea and try to make that idea fact.

          • Jovet

            But in the defense of those with limited intelligence, we’re all of limited intelligence.

          • gmm777

            Parrot much? It all bs!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Apparently not.

          • gmm777

            Yeah shoot a graph at me and I’ll just swoon all over it. MMGW is utter nonsense. I would suggest you tilt at windmills.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I think it is sad that you never learned how to interpret a graph while in public school.

            Were you out shooting koons that day, so yer mammy could make yeh a koon pie for dinner?

          • gmm777

            Your nonsensical rambling is amusing…but you have convinced no one…but like I said, you do amuse chicken little …

          • Maus

            OMG!!! Graphs! He’s got graphs!! Our plot is foiled!!! Run away!!!

          • Afterheart

            You are gullible…the earth has warmed and cooled repeatedly over historical times without man made contribution to the process. Like a child, you believe all history began with your presence upon the earth.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I din’t kill that man officer. People have died of unknown causes throughout history and despite the fact that all the evidence points to me, that you have a film of me shooting him, and that I have no way theory that explains how else he died, you still have no evidence that I did it.

            The Denialist argument in a nutshell.

          • Patricia Henry

            Evidence? You believe in evidence? Now that’s funny!

          • opjyhwk

            “Settled Science” – a contradiction in terms yet the rallying cry of the climate fascists.

          • RIMSPOKE

            TROUBLE IS , THE EVIDENCE YOU HAVE FOR AGW IS
            CIRCUMSTANTIAL , INCOMPLETE , MISLEADING OR PROVABLY FALSIFIED .

            IF THIS WERE A MURDER TRIAL , IT WOULD BE THROWN OUT OF COURT
            EVEN THOUGH 97% OF THE PEOPLE WHO READ THE ENQUIRER THINK HE’S GUILTY .

          • Jovet

            I hate your CAPS crusade: there is a decorum and standards on the internet just like everywhere else. Whether you chose to believe or adhere or not, ALL CAPS is construed as angry or childish, whiny shouting.

            It’s unfortunate that your repeated middle finger to the internet beleaguers your otherwise excellent point. That’s the perfect way to think about this whole situation.

          • RIMSPOKE

            YOU ARE THE ONE WITH YOUR SHORTS IN A WAD .
            YOU ARE THE ONE WHINING THROUGH YOUR ETIQUETTE CRUSADE .

            I HAVE NOT TOLD YOU HOW TO POST .
            HOW ABOUT GROWING UP & POSTING SOMETHING RELEVANT ?

            ALL I WANT IS AN INTELLIGENT REPLY .

            HERE IS A TOPIC REMINDER FOR YOU :
            Climate Skeptics on ‘historic’ UN treaty:

          • Jovet

            ˙ǝɔıoɥɔ ɹnoʎ sı ʇı ʇnq ‘ǝɯɐɥs ɐ sı ʇɐɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ oʇ uǝddɐɥ ı ˙ʎןsnoıɹǝs noʎ ǝʞɐʇ puɐ sʇuǝɯɯoɔ ɹnoʎ pɐǝɹ ןןıʍ ǝןdoǝd ɹǝʍǝɟ ˙ʇı pɐǝɹ pןnoɔ oɥʍ ǝןdoǝd ʇsoɯ oʇ ǝןqɐʇdǝɔɔɐ ʇou sı ʇɐɥʇ ɹǝuuɐɯ ɐ uı sʇuıod ʇuǝןןǝɔxǝ ǝsıʍɹǝɥʇo ɹnoʎ buıbɐʞɔɐd ʎq ʇooɟ ǝɥʇ uı ɟןǝsɹnoʎ buıʇooɥs ǝɹ,noʎ ʍoɥ pǝuıɐןdxǝ ı ˙ʎןdǝɹ ʎuıɥʍ-uou ‘ʇuǝbıןןǝʇuı uɐ noʎ ǝʌɐb ı

            I can be daring and childishly challenge conventions, too.

          • RIMSPOKE

            NOT DARING , BUT DEFINITELY CHILDISH .

            WRITE BACK IF YOU CAN THINK OF SOMETHING
            MATURE OR MEANINGFUL .

          • Jovet

            You should do the same.

          • RIMSPOKE

            I AM NOT THE ONE STAMPING MY FOOT & WAVING
            THE FLAG OF NIT-PICKY INTOLERANCE .

            YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF .
            YOU ALREADY ADMITTED THAT I HAD “AN EXCELLENT POINT” .
            I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR EXCELLENT POINT BUT ALL YOU
            SEEM TO BE ABLE TO DO IS WRITE UPSIDE DOWN .

            NOT REALLY A GOOD SUBSTITUTE FOR INTELLIGENCE IN MY BOOK
            BUT IF THAT AND WHINING IS ALL YOU’VE GOT , PERHAPS I
            WAS MISTAKEN TO EXPECT SOMETHING MORE .

          • Jovet

            I already made my point but I will reiterate it for your benefit: You’re doing yourself and your opinions a disservice by your addiction to caps lock. What you call whining I call pointing out how the world works. Most people are going to just tune you out because your post looks like verbal diarrhea or spam.

          • RIMSPOKE

            WELL THERE’S YOUR PROBLEM .
            YOU THINK YOU SPEAK FOR EVERYONE .

            MY POSTS ARE WRITTEN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
            ACCEPTING OF OTHERS AND SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES .

            YOU ARE EXACTLY WHO I WISH TO AVOID .
            PLEASE DO NOT READ MY POSTS , THEY ARE NOT FOR YOU .

          • Jovet

            Well, at least the feeling is mutual. The fact is, I do speak for everyone, at least according to your comment history. You have posted more comments demanding people ignore your passive-aggressive Caps Lock addiction than actual fruitful and poignant ideas.
            I gave you the benefit of the doubt, as I would anyone whose breath always is rank or who never showers and who can’t smell him or herself. The fact is, you do realize you smell, and try to justify it by promoting it as a sensible filter of who is truly accepting of you and who isn’t. By extension, your Caps crusade makes perfect sense as you seem to think the Middle ages were a great time to be alive, with no running water and a simpler alphabet with which to express yourself. You’re right: we’re not going to be friends.

          • Will Thompson

            You have to adjust your analogy such that the officer claims that this one alleged killer will be more responsible than other potential causes for the deaths of all the other people in the future.

          • roccotool

            Nice try at spreading more lies.

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            In your view, isn’t that my job as a scientist?

            Hahahahaha!

          • beauxdog

            Cheryl Allison makes more sense than you do.

          • tward3

            What about the satellite pics that show there is MORE ice in the Antarctic than at any time since they started monitoring it? The ice is INCREASING, climate fool.

            What about the fact that the global temps have not increased in nearly twenty years? You are a climate fool.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            No satellite pics show such a thing.

            There has been an increase in the ocean ice cover around the Antarctic, but this thin layer of ice has been extended primarily because the surface waters of the ocean are now less salty due to fresh water runoff from the antarctic ice pack, which is shrinking by 50 to 100 square kilometers per year.

          • elizabethrc

            And the glaciers are growing in size not reducing. Where they melt in one area, they increase in another. It’s called nature at work! Nice try, though.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Virtually ALL of the worlds glaciers are melting.

            This image shows the rate of melt of the sum total of glaciers on earth.

          • SquidBonez

            “Virtually ALL of the worlds glaciers are melting.”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I see that you weren’t smart enough to know how to interpret the graph above.

          • SquidBonez

            You didn’t watch that video, did you? It explains that yes, some glaciers ARE retreating, but it is almost entirely natural.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar. Liar.. Pants on fire.

          • SquidBonez

            Once again, glaciers ARE retreating, but the video doesn’t challenge that fact, it simply states that it is due almost entirely to natural variability. Have you trouble understanding that?

            A warming climate isn’t the smoking gun for AGW. All it does is prove that climate changes, which we all know. Not that humans are the leading cause, or even a significant cause. That’s where the debate lies.

          • Paul Blair

            You’re not keeping up with current observations.

          • Patricia Henry

            It’s hard for him to see current observations when his head is so far up his azz

          • Patricia Henry

            There is not one “scientist” who can accurately predict the weather tomorrow much less 100 years.

          • Patricia Henry

            I seem to remember for the last couple of years climate “scientists” predicted an increase in tropical storms and hurricanes – but we ended up with the lowest activity for hurricanes in at least 20 years.. HAHAHAHAHA

          • RIMSPOKE

            GLACIERS HAVE MELTED IN THE PAST .
            SOME ARE GROWING TODAY AS ARE BOTH OF THE ICE CAPS .

            WHAT IS COMPLETELY SILLY IS TO BLAME ALL OF THIS ON
            1/100 OF A % INCREASE IN CO2 OVER THE LAST 150 YEARS .

            CLIMATE ALWAYS HAS CHANGED & IT ALWAYS WILL .
            THE TRULY CRAZY PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO THINK THEY CAN STOP IT .
            ( THAT WOULD BE YOU )

          • exsanguine

            We will have to forgive venidcar — he is a true warmist, yet they are all the same in their belief that things NEVER change, see? It is always our fault. We almighty humans, who are nothing more than a small fart in the wind.

            If it is warming, must be our fault. Can’t have happened before.Ever.

          • DavidAppell

            Of course, such documentation has been going on since the 1980s. All peer reviewed. You don’t know about any of it, and haven’t cared enough to learn about it. You’d rather just rant and dismiss it while staying ignorant.

          • RLABruce

            How can there be bias in a temperature reading? It can only be a single value at any instant at a given place; are you saying those who compile the data have a bias and leave out data that doesn’t support that bias? That has been proven to happen, and is proof that Climate Change is a hoax!

          • Bill Ingram

            I have a friend who is PRETTY HIGH UP in NOAA. From him I learned that his colleagues all feel empowered to make or break rules because they have IQ’s over 160. Facts are ignored or manipulated at NOAA. NASA, and all other government agencies think pretty much the same way and they all poo paa each others data.

          • RLABruce

            All government employees have the same “I can do whatever I want” attitude, regardless of IQs.

          • EagleJim

            I take your response as a reflection of your ignorance and you never having worked in government. I had a 30 year career and can say that in my agency none of my peers or supervisors had the “I can do whatever I want” attitude, at least none that didn’t eventually get terminated for doing whatever they wanted.

          • RLABruce

            I had in mind IRS’ Lib, Lois Lerner, admitting targeting Conservatives, yet no conviction or jail time, Al Gore committing fund-raising felonies while saying “No controlling legal authority”, Bill Clinton saying, “It depends on what the meaning of the word is is” and his wife saying, “What difference at this point does it make?” My personal encounters with you government types show you to be almost universally rude, arrogant and acting like little Hitlers, inflicting pain upon a powerless public if you can just because you can. Your type are a joke, a cliche, a real-life stereotype of a government worker unable to compete in the free market and sheltered from firing by the government bureaucracy.

            But by all means, puff out your little chest and tell us free-market workers that our lying eyes don’t see how you treat us. Example: I gave a federal supervisor an estimate for installing some electronics. He said he thought he could cover the expense from petty cash and to do the job. After the job was done he refused to pay on the grounds that no PO# was issued and the work was never authorized. ALL of them I have ever dealt with are that way, and their computer skills were non-existent. When my company proved by time/date stamping that three typists in a typing pool typed about 20 minutes PER WEEK, they were never fired for not working but merely transferred around. I’ve got a day’s worth of stories on your fellow government “workers”, nearly all bad.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “I had in mind IRS’ Lib, Lois Lerner” – RLALiar

            So why did you say “All government employees”.

            You were knowingly lying when you made that claim. Thanks for publicly admitting that you are a liar.

            I have never encountered a Republican who wasn’t a congenital and perpetual liar.

          • tward3

            Now the truth comes out. You are a communist, er, I mean, a democrat. That explains a lot. I agree with you that Republicans are scum; but, the democrats are brainwashed dolt communists.

          • RLABruce

            Reread my post, Venereal Disease the proven liar. I wrote, “My personal encounters with you government types show you to be almost
            universally rude, arrogant and acting like little Hitlers, inflicting
            pain upon a powerless public if you can just because you can.” I stand by my statement.

            By the way, have you read that English translation of what the Chinese say about Climate Change yet? They agree with me that there’s no Climate Change and that you are a liar!

          • Patricia Henry

            So you attack generalizations with a generalization of your own? HAHA idiot

          • windy132

            Correct Eagle. You must consider today’s participation generation that has replaced you. They have no sense of history, could care less about it, and have been conditioned that world didn’t exist before there tiny little presence graced the planet. Hec, anyone born after 1979 probably has no idea who John Lennon is/was. Test it yourself.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “All government employees” – RLALiar

            Liar.. liar.. Pants on fire.

          • Patricia Henry

            spoken by a likely government employee….

          • RIMSPOKE

            IT IS BOTH A GENERALIZATION AND A JOKE .
            NEITHER OF WHICH YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND .

          • HOT FROG

            NWO.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            NWO = China Global Power = America Collapsed State = AOK

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Maybe the devil has re-painted the scale of your thermometer.

            Maybe the Illuminati have infiltrated all of the thermometer makers in the world and replaced them with cybors who are under their control, and have been altering the worlds thermometers to show a false and accelerating warming over the last 200 years.

            Or more likely.. The moon men are behind it all.

            Koooooooook

          • tward3

            Hey, climate fool, don’t you realize that the temps on Mars and Venus have risen and decreased in lock step with the temps on Earth? That C02 that you are so scared of must be effecting the temps on Mars/Venus, too. It is the SUN that dictates the temps on our planet. You are a brainwashed communist fool.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You denialists should really make up your minds. Has the world been warming, cooling or static since 1997.

            Every day you kooks make a new claim. Whatever supports your political view at the moment.

            New Scientist – 16 May 2007

            Climate myths: Mars and Pluto are warming too

            https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11642-climate-myths-mars-and-pluto-are-warming-too/

          • RLABruce

            There’s been no warming for the last eighteen years, VD the Liar, which has even been acknowledged by you idiot Climate Change Believers who call that a “pause” in warming, but you can’t say why it happened, and none of your computer models predicted it. In fact none of your computer models have predicted ANY of the real-world temperatures, nor accounted for historical nor prehistorical temperatures.

            I noticed you have never cited your education and personal experience in Climate Change; you are merely a liar who claims expertise, just like all the other Climate Change Believers.

            TROLL ALERT! VD appears to not even have a job since he spends all his time posting lies about his faith in his religion, Climate Change.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            There has been a lot of warming over that period as shown in this graph.

            Why do you feel a need to lie about it?

          • RLABruce

            You are the liar, and the following proves it. I have dealt with you before and proven you are a liar. I will not respond to your worthless posts in the future, say what you will; you are a waste of time, space and bandwidth. If you were REALLY concerned about CO2 emissions you would quit breathing. Dismissed!
            http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “but you can’t say why it happened, and none of your computer models predicted it.” – RLARetard

            Predicted some mythical cooling that only appears in he polluted minds of denialists?

            Sorry boy. But the models don’t model your ignorance.

          • DavidAppell

            Because instruments change, stations locations change, time of observation of the thermometers change, thermometers break and the data go uncollected for years, the one who reads the thermometers dies or get reassigned and no one takes his place for 10 or 30 years.

            The transition from mercury to digital thermometers created a quantum jump in the readings. That’s a bias. How would you account for it?

          • RLABruce

            EXACTLY! That very inconsistency is what makes it unscientific. Thanking you for proving Climate Change is a fraud!

          • DavidAppell

            “That very inconsistency is what makes it unscientific.”

            Mathematical methods have been developed to account for these changes, such as data homogenization. Are you familar with it?

          • RLABruce

            STILL no credentials, Davey? Since you have no actual knowledge but merely parrot whatever climate fertilizer other Believers feed you, future posts from you will be dismissed as the ravings of a cult Believer that they appear to be. Enjoy your religion of Climate Change, doofus, and keep the faith; dismissed!

          • DavidAppell
          • RLABruce

            Sorry, no proof that is you, and despite some technical background, what you have done–IF you are David Appell–is at best speculative fiction based on the shaky research of others without ANY original work in climatology. Why don’t you write about travel through space, then pretend you’re an astronaut?

            Example: If you wrote about “Global Warming Slowing Down?” you admitted that projected heating isn’t occurring as predicted, then speculate that it MIGHT be in the oceans! You describe NO facts, NO methodology, NO procedures for reaching your conclusions, all based on unfounded assumptions.

            One big reason I think you are lying about your background is you spend too much time defending Climate Change on this little public forum; just what is it you do for money that someone pays you for? The real researchers don’t have time to copy and paste your meaningless graphs on every internet article on Climate Change, which seem to be well below the level of scholarly achievement I would expect of someone with David Appell’s alleged background. By the way, I found nothing about you from your alma mater; are you sure you claimed the correct school?

            You remind me of Jon Lovitz on SNL in his role as The Liar; “Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

          • DavidAppell

            I don’t do research. I write about the science done by others. And I do not write for researchers, or scholarly readers. You don’t seem to understand at all what science writers actually do or who their audience is.

          • RLABruce

            I understand quite well what you do. You are a pimp, an advertising agent for the Climate Change Fraud, and have no actual knowledge nor expertise of your own but merely parrot what you are told by your lying Climate Change Masters. Since you admit you have no expertise in climatology of your own, your opinions about it are worthless. Begone, pimp; you only add noise, not knowledge. Dismissed!

          • DavidAppell

            I’m a journalist and a writer. I write about climate science in the most honest and accurate way I can. I have 3 degrees in physics, so know a lot about the science.

            You just don’t like the science’s results, and you think personally attacking me will someone change those results.

            It won’t. Typical denier tactic.

          • DavidAppell

            “…and is proof that Climate Change is a hoax!”

            At this point, this is about the dumbest statement imaginable.

            Global warming is required by the laws of physics. Just because you don’t know these laws doesn’t make it a hoax — many of us *DO* understand the physics….

          • RLABruce

            Climate Change does not exist. If it did, it WOULD obey the laws of physics, and you could predict what the climate will be for the next thousand years. As it is, you Climate Change Believers–NOT physicists!–can’t even account for past climate changes before Man existed, let alone predict future climate. For instance, there has been NO global warming for the past 18 years according to NASA, but you Believers never predicted it and don’t know what caused it, calling it a “pause” in warming. You have more than 150 computer models, and NOT ONE accounts for it.

            You put on airs as a physicist; post your credentials, please. What degrees you have, the climate research you have conducted, papers you have published, etc. Or else admit you are a liar and as big a fraud as Climate Change itself and STHU.

          • DavidAppell

            “As it is, you Climate Change Believers–NOT physicists!–can’t even account for past climate changes before Man existed….”

            What ever gave you THAT idea??? It’s wrong.

            Moreover, CO2 has always had a prominent role in determing Earth’s climate. In fact, if there were no CO2 in the atmosphere this planet wouldn’t even be habitable.

          • RLABruce

            Waiting on your CV. If you refuse to provide them I can only conclude that you are a liar and a fraud. Until I know your background I will presume you to be a prepubescent 12-year-old whose opinions are worthless and will be ignored for the trash that they are.

          • DavidAppell

            “For instance, there has been NO global warming for the past 18 years according to NASA….”

            False.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/83db2294bd7da39204ad7a4c544437e4cdc07751f6607e39e3ab3791389700bd.gif

          • RLABruce

            STILL no CV, David? Have you NO credentials? A true scientist such as you pretend to be would link to where all your pretty graphs come from so as to let us judge the bonafides of the source, instead of just posting the graphs out of context. If you like graphs, I’ll draw YOU some, all in beautiful colors–and of the same null value of yours!

          • DavidAppell
          • RLABruce

            I read that website several days ago; with a few changes it could be my resume.

            IF that is you, you have a very thin professional skin. But you aren’t actually involved in climatology; you merely write speculative fiction about it based on sketchy research others do and with NO effort to ascertain the accuracy of that research.

            Any mathematician can create a very elegant mathematical structure that has absolutely nothing to do with reality and can’t describe anything in the real world. That’s what you’re doing, IF you are who you claim. If your background is as you say; there seems to be a discrepancy between how “your” website is written and how you write your posts.

          • DavidAppell

            You sound jealous of something.

            I stand by my writing (which is NOT written for people with PhDs).

          • SquidBonez

            Funny how you use that graph. It shows that you just parrot what people say rather than do the research. If you had done the research, you would have known that the graph you used is extremely inaccurate. It makes earlier temperatures seem much colder than they really were, and completely ignores satellite data.

          • DavidAppell

            How is that graph “extremely inaccurate,” in your opinion as an expert?

          • SquidBonez

            That graph uses adjusted past temperatures and completely ignores satellite data.

          • DavidAppell

            Satellites don’t measure surface temperatures.

            ALL raw temperature data is adjusted, to remove biases. This hold for both surface stations and satellite data.

          • SquidBonez

            I find it hard to believe that they’re just “harmless little adjustments” when NASS has been reducing previous temperatures and increasing modern temperatures in any way they can (like removing the pause).

          • DavidAppell

            Do you even understand why there are adjustments?

          • SquidBonez

            Yes, I do. But there is a difference between removing biases and altering data.

            Yes, there is a pause. First, there were over 60 excuses (all debunked) for the pause, and now? It never happened! But that’s not good enough for you, is it? OK, I understand that. I’ll provide some links to the flaws in the study.

            http://judithcurry.com/2015/12/21/busting-or-not-the-mid-20th-century-global-warming-hiatus/

            https://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2015/06/04/noaancdcs-new-pause-buster-paper-a-laughable-attempt-to-create-warming-by-adjusting-past-data/

            About the alterations…well, let this do the talking.

            https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CWxK5rvVAAAeQLa.mp4

            For more example of alterations, see here:

            https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/spectacularly-poor-climate-science-at-nasa/

          • DavidAppell

            Removing biases is not altering data.

            The bias-corrected data shows no pause. Period.

            And, in fact, that data REDUCES the long-term warming trend.

          • SquidBonez

            Did you even read the posts? Simply saying “oh, those are biased” is a tactic used to dodge the actual argument. If you would have read the posts, you might (but probably won’t due to your own pride) change your mind.

          • DavidAppell

            Explanation of the biases:

            “Understanding adjustments to temperature data”
            http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

            “Berkeley Earth: raw versus adjusted temperature data”
            http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/09/berkeley-earth-raw-versus-adjusted-temperature-data/

            “Understanding Time of Observation Bias”
            http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/22/understanding-time-of-observation-bias/

          • SquidBonez

            I understand the biases and how they are dealt with. But the adjustments at NASA and NOAA do not match said bias removals. That’s what they’re labeled as, but they aren’t.

          • DavidAppell

            “But the adjustments at NASA and NOAA do not match said bias removals.”

            Prove it.

          • SquidBonez

            The link already does.

          • DavidAppell

            Can you cite any actual science, and not biased blogs, often from amateurs who people afraid to blog under their real name?

          • SquidBonez

            Also, both blogs I cited are run by scientists, which do state their names on the blog, so that is an inaccurate statement and proves that you didn’t even bother to visit them.

          • DavidAppell

            Wrong. Judith Curry is a scientist. Bob Tisdale and “Steve Goddard” (fake name) are not.

          • SquidBonez

            Ah, I apologize. I mixed up Tisdale with someone else. My bad.

            I know Judith Curry is a scientist. As for “Steve Goddard”, he lists his real name on the website. His real name is Tony Heller, and he has degrees in geology and engineering. See his full summary here: https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/who-is-steven-goddard/

          • DavidAppell

            Steve Goddard is a mean angry old man who blogs one mistake after another.

            You’ll gullible for falling for anything he says. Anything.

          • SquidBonez

            Sounds more like a you problem. It seems you attempt to smear him simply because you don’t agree with him. Typical activist.

          • DavidAppell

            PS: There never was a pause to begin with.

          • NiCuCo

            “can’t even account for past climate changes before Man existed”

            “Milankovitch Cycles and Glaciation”

            “The episodic nature of the Earth’s glacial and interglacial periods within the present Ice Age (the last couple of million years) have been caused primarily by cyclical changes in the Earth’s circumnavigation of the Sun. Variations in the Earth’s eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession comprise the three dominant cycles, collectively known as the Milankovitch Cycles”

            http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/efa4b10a3ee4000cdceb443f19e40e34c45ac61453f95228ecadb43351b3ecd8.jpg

          • RLABruce

            I’m familiar with those cycles, numbnut; when most people refer to “Climate Change” they are talking about the non-existent changes to the climate caused by our civilization, not to natural cycles. The Milankovitch Cycles tend to prove that Man is NOT changing the climate since the cycles exist whether we’re here or not. So given there is NO evidence of man-made Climate Change, can you tell us again why you believe in it?

          • NiCuCo

            That the climate would be changing without us does not mean that we cannot be affecting it. The Milankovitch cycles would have us in a slow cooling period, at a rate about one tenth of the rate at which we are warming.

          • tnizzle

            You first start by not basing your entire research on the complete and utter ASSUMPTION that man made CO2 is affecting the climate. You’re talking about biased data in a biased and flawed assumption.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Actually Scientists start with the spectra of CO2 and noting that CO2 absorbs IR.

            Everything else follows from the laws of 18th century radiative physics.

            Are you trying to say that the Radiative physics developed 200 years ago and
            upon which virtually all subsequent science is based upon is wrong.

            Maybe your computer is just a figment of your imagination.

            Ahahahahahah… Kooooooooks.

          • RIMSPOKE

            CO2 DOES ABSORB IR .
            BUT THERE ISN’T ENOUGH OF IT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE .

            IT IS A TRACE GAS THAT HAS GONE FROM 0.03% TO 0.04% IN 150 YEARS .
            THEY CALL THAT A 30% INCREASE AND MEASURE IT IN TONS TO SCARE YOU .

            CLEARLY YOU ARE EASILY FRIGHTENED & HAVE NO CONCEPT OF A BIGGER PICTURE .
            IF IT WERE A PROBLEM , IT IS ALMOST TOO SMALL TO MEASURE .

          • DavidAppell

            It’s not an assumption. It’s been known since 1859 that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, and since 1879 that the Earth emits it. Simply put 1 + 1 together, and calculate the consequences — the current global warming is required by the laws of physics.

            How are the data “biased?”

          • tnizzle

            Show me unaltered data that shows the earth is warming.

          • DavidAppell

            There is no such thing as “unaltered” data in science. All data must first be processed to remove biases.

          • tnizzle

            Entirely false. There is NO altered data in real science. For example, If I altered data as a trained research chemist, that is fraudulent data, which could cause me to lose my job. A climatologist alters data, and politicians praise them for creating problems they can all capitalize off of. Get real.

          • DavidAppell

            Entirely false.

            Almost all data in science is biased in some way or another. Those biases must be removed for a proper interpretation.

            In any case, in climate science there are a lot of biases in the raw data, both in the surface measurements and in the satellite measurements.

            If you don’t understand these biases you need to go learn about them. Here are a few links to get you started:

            http://judithcurry.com/2014/07/07/understanding-adjustments-to-temperature-data/

            http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/09/berkeley-earth-raw-versus-adjusted-temperature-data/

          • tnizzle

            I read your links. This is all mostly conjecture and speculation. Since when is that science?

          • DavidAppell

            You’re wrong.

            If a certain location has been read by a mercury thermometer for decades until 1990, and then that is replaced by a digital thermometer, how do you calibrate between the two?

            The result is a quantum jump or decrease in the temperature reading. How should that be accounted for?

            Another example: the guy reading the station’s temperature from 1940-1982 did it at 7 am every day. Then he died. The new guy read the temperature at 12 noon ever day.

            How do you make one consistent, unbiased temperature series out of this information?

          • tnizzle

            In real science, you don’t combine two data sets that were obtained with entirely different methodology and call it continuous. Thats creating a false pretext.

          • DavidAppell

            Yes you do, when that’s all the data you have.

            Climate science, like geology or meterology, is an observational science. You have to use the data you have, because you can almost never get the data you really want.

          • tnizzle

            So how is this science settled? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not. It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict how the earth will compensate to the human footprint. Give up. Stop trying. This is a trillion dollar scam in the works and fools like you that trust the (liar) politicians and (pseudo) scientists computer models, which have already proven to be wrong. You don’t understand science if you can’t comprehend this.

          • DavidAppell

            It’s impossible to predict how the Earth will respond — because no one knows the future pathway of CO2 emissions, CH4, aerosols, solar changes, etc etc etc.

            All we can do is project, based on a set of assumptions that will definitely not come true.

          • tnizzle

            And you have proven my point. Gullible mean anything to you?

          • DavidAppell

            “This is a trillion dollar scam in the works….”

            Oh poor poor you, always on the bottom of the consipracies of your betters, always sucking left-hind tit while everyone else fluorishes.

            This is science, pal. Whether you like it or not.

          • tnizzle

            Prove it. Then I’ll consider it science.

          • DavidAppell

            “It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict how the earth will compensate to the human footprint.”

            This sentence doesn’t even make sense, Jack. (Giggle)

            But thanks for playing.

          • DavidAppell

            “For example, If I altered data as a trained research chemist, that is fraudulent data….”

            No one is “altering” data — they are correcting it for biases.

            Climate science isn’t chemistry — one can’t do bench science on several different copies of the Earth.

            It’s an observational science, like geology. So one has to use the data one can get, not the data one might prefer.

            This means correcting older data for biases. Again, educate yourself on what these biases are.

          • tnizzle

            LOL yeah, they have bias because it’s not showing warming, so they are “correcting” it to show warming. Dude this is really pretty simple.

          • DavidAppell

            False. They have bias because instruments change, or the time the termometer is read changes, or the station is moved because there has been development around it.

            How would you account for these changes (biases)?

          • tnizzle

            Why on earth would any scientist change his methodology midstream? You dont just change your entire way of taking data AND STILL INCLUDE IRRELEVANT DATA. You understand that’s why they are showing an ‘upward trend’ – they are litterally doing and saying anything they want and calling it settled science (which its not) when they don’t even have a way of precisely and accurately taking data. By the way, the later is an indeterminate error which is random and cannot be predicted.

          • DavidAppell

            It’s not a methodology change, Einstein.

            Let’s say a station’s thermometer breaks. You replace it. How do you compare data before the break to data after the break?

          • tnizzle

            What you are describing is not a methodological change. If you replace the thermometer with the same type, then you simply compare the data.
            What I was referring to as a methodological change was your example of taking temperatures first thing in the morning for decades, then switching to taking temperatures at noon. That is a change in the method of collecting data.
            If they change instruments entirely, and they have, that is also a change in the method.
            Don’t tell me there haven’t been any changes in the method of collecting climate data, because that’s entirely incorrect.

          • DavidAppell

            “If you replace the thermometer with the same type, then you simply compare the data.”

            Baloney. How do you know the old thermometer and the new thermometer would compare at any give point?

            THINK for a change!

          • DavidAppell

            “If you replace the thermometer with the same type, then you simply compare the data.”

            Sure, because it’s trivial to replace an instrument with an identical one made 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, isn’t it?

            THINK!

          • tnizzle

            You are no scientist, that’s for sure.

          • DavidAppell

            Answer the question, instead of avoiding it.

          • tnizzle

            I’ve answered too many of your questions, and you’re just not getting it.

          • DavidAppell

            You’ve avoided another question.

            +1 points for me.

          • DavidAppell

            So tell us, how would you compare thermometers when their time of observation has changed?

          • tnizzle

            You don’t change the methodology… Maybe I’m being unclear. Changing the time of day the temperature is taken is a methodological change. The data obtained before and after the change can be compared, but can not be combined into one data set. It doesn’t work that way. What you have when you take temperature data at two different times a day is two different data sets.

          • DavidAppell

            “The data obtained before and after the change can be compared, but can not be combined into one data set.”

            Sorry, but this is all the data there is. How do you use it to answer the questions you are asking?

          • tnizzle

            That’s the point, you don’t. If climate scientists want to make illegitimate claims using two different data sets while calling them one, that’s what you call fraud.

          • tnizzle

            When was the last time a geologist predicted a large earthquake? Never.
            When was the last time a climatologist predicted ACTUAL REAL rises in temperature that have NOT BEEN “ADJUSTED”? I could never find a single time that special interests DIDN’T get their grubby, unscientific hands meddling in the data.
            If there is all this bias, what is it? Why was it wrong from the start? How do they know for sure they’re right this time? Truth is, they don’t, and the rhetoric they’re putting out is “Oh, this is settled science,” when IT IS NOT SETTLED. Have you ever heard of earthquake predictions being settled science? Has it ever rained when the weatherman said it wasn’t going to rain or visa-versa? I don’t buy that load.

          • DavidAppell
          • tnizzle

            So about 0.7 degrees C preported increase from baseline starting at 1950, huh. OMG the world is ending. The earth has been around for billions of years and you are going to throw a 75 year data set at me wit a 0.7 degree change? Why am I not impressed?

          • DavidAppell

            Warming since 1950 = +0.9 C, according to NASA.

            That’s a big change already. It was only 6 C cooler than when the dinosaurs lived, and 8 C warmer than the depth of the last ice age.

            It doesn’t take much tempertature change to bring huge changes in living conditions on Earth.

          • tnizzle
          • DavidAppell

            NOAA adjusts raw data to correct for biases. How would you prefer to adjust for these biases?

          • DavidAppell

            Our current rate of warming is about 30 times faster than when the last ice age was ending.

            From Shakun et al Nature 2012 Figure 2a:
            http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html

            global temperature anomaly in year -18,000 is -3.4 C

            global temperature anomaly in year -11,000 is +0.0 C

            so the average temperature change is 3.4 C in 7000 years, or ~ 0.005 C/decade, compared to GISTEMP’s 30-year trend of 0.16 C/decade

            So that’s a factor of 32 now compared to then.

          • tnizzle

            http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/gwskeptic.html

            There have been far too many liars and politicians making outlandish assumptions, and I don’t blame you for falling for it. If you want to believe their lies, go ahead, but I’m not stupid and I don’t fall for their crap and neither should you. I question the validity of all climate data because of the types of people pushing the agenda. If you don’t know who those people are, I suggest you research all the liars and frauds and all the billions of dollars they embezzle perpetuating the lie of AGW.

          • DavidAppell

            I came to my own conclusion. Let me repeat it for, and let’s see you refute it:

            Our current rate of warming is about 30 times faster than when the last ice age was ending.

            From Shakun et al Nature 2012 Figure 2a:

            http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v484/n7392/full/nature10915.html

            global temperature anomaly in year -18,000 is -3.4 C

            global temperature anomaly in year -11,000 is +0.0 C

            so the average temperature change is 3.4 C in 7000 years, or ~ 0.005 C/decade, compared to GISTEMP’s 30-year trend of 0.16 C/decade

            So that’s a factor of 32 now compared to then.

          • tnizzle

            “I came to my own conclusion. Let me repeat it for, and let’s see you refute it:”
            And you bash me for grammar. I’m done with you.

          • DavidAppell

            Run away then. Ignorant people like you usually do.

          • tnizzle

            And you would know ignorance, wouldn’t you?

          • DavidAppell

            Yes, I would know ignorance. You display it in spades.

          • tnizzle
          • DavidAppell

            I enjoy how you change the subject every time you can’t answer a question you’re asked. Telling. Satisfying.

          • tnizzle

            I answered all your stupid questions. You are just too dumb to put 2 and 2 together.

          • DavidAppell

            No, you have not.

            Because you can’t answer them. Not your fault — you’re just an average conservative. Unfortunately, these days all conservatives have chosen to be science stupid.

          • tnizzle

            I’m not a conservative. Nice try though.

          • tnizzle

            *That’s 65 years not 75 years, my mistake* Still the earth is billions of years old.

          • DavidAppell

            The age of the Earth doesn’t matter — we’re talking about climate change now, when we live, not that of 4 billion years ago.

          • tnizzle

            Looking at 65 years of data on a scale of billions… That matters, David. You can’t pretend that the last 4 billion years of climate changes, which were VERY extreme, including continental drift, volcanic activity, mass extinction events, etc are irrelevant. You are cherry picking data that fits with what you believe. That’s a tactic that doesn’t convince me, and it’s a major reason that nobody believes the climate scientists.

          • DavidAppell

            How do you know what the last 4 B years of climate was?

          • DavidAppell

            “When was the last time a climatologist predicted ACTUAL REAL rises in temperature that have NOT BEEN “ADJUSTED”?”

            Like most data in science, the temperature data (surface & satellite) are adjusted to remove biases.

            How would you prefer to account for biases?

          • tnizzle

            You dont use an instrument that is not accurate in the first place.

          • DavidAppell

            It’s not about accuracy, Einstein, it’s about biases.

            You don’t understand the very first thing about these data, yet you’re sure they’ll all wrong. How does that work exactly?

          • tnizzle

            LOL. If climate science ISN’T about accuracy, how can they claim that the science is settled? For a science to be settled, one must be able to test in some way the degree of accuracy and precision. Neither of those seem to be very important to you or the climate scientists.

            Think about experiments in physics and chemistry. One can measure accuracy and precision of any given experiment because THOSE sciences ARE settled.
            What you’re claiming is that climate scientists don’t have to be accurate or precise. Sorry buddy but that’s not science at all. You’re buying the biggest load of crap Al Gore has to offer.
            So tell me, Cleo, what do you predict the earth will be like in 50 years? You’re guess is as good as any “climate scientist.”

          • DavidAppell

            Read and learn:

            “Climate science is settled *enough*” Raymond Pierrehumbert, Slate 10/1/14

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/10/the_wall_street_journal_and_steve_koonin_the_new_face_of_climate_change.html

          • tnizzle

            Slate is not a scientific journal. It’s a left wing propaganda machine.

          • DavidAppell

            The article is written by a top-rate climate scientist.

            Which of his ideas do you disagree with?

          • tnizzle

            All of them. He uses CORRELATION to attempt to justify what he thinks is happening. Correlation does NOT imply causation. He even admits there’s uncertainty last paragraph first page. Uncertainty that lies in assumptions, listed on page 2.

          • DavidAppell

            You’re dumb. Pierrehumbert knows the science. When there is a well-formed hypothesis that something should happen because of something else, then, yes, correlation DOES equal causation.

          • tnizzle

            Wrong.

          • DavidAppell

            One reason why I should believe some dumb guy on the Internet, afraid even to post under his real name, to a professional climate scientist noted for all kinds of accomplishments?

          • tnizzle

            SO you are a professional climate scientist huh?

          • DavidAppell

            No, just someone who knows a heck of a lot more about all this than you. And isn’t afraid to comment using my real name.

          • tnizzle

            You’re wrong, but that’s OK. I don’t use my real name to protect myself from malicious people like you.

          • DavidAppell

            You’re afraid to use your own name here. Much easier to hide behind mommy’s skirt.

          • tnizzle

            Yeah and you’re stupid enough to put your real name out there. There are some very malicious people on this planet that could do some very bad things to you and your name.

          • DavidAppell

            You have a lot of nerve, as a clearly scientifically ignorant person, trying to reject the work of world class experts.

            Just who do you think you are, anyway?

          • tnizzle

            I’m a sceptic that doesn’t buy unfounded lies, speculation, and conjecture from fraudulent “scientists” that aren’t even scientists at all. They just draw a paycheck at the expense of the taxpayers and fabricate data (lies) to sell to fools like you.

          • DavidAppell

            You’re dumb, not a “skeptic.” All scientists are “skeptical.” You have no ability whatsoever to judge ideas and determine their worth, any more than a squirrel has.

          • tnizzle

            The difference between me and you is that I know BS when I see it. I call it out, and you buy it.

          • DavidAppell

            You don’t know enough to call B.S. on anything. Low-knowledge people like you don’t get an opinion on the science.

          • tnizzle

            There you go again, projecting your own shortcomings on me.

          • DavidAppell

            Of course there’s uncertainty, ding dong. No one ever said there wasn’t.

            Stupid.

          • tnizzle

            What’s stupid is buying that load of crap in the first place.

          • DavidAppell

            Keeping painting yourself into the dumb corner…..

          • tnizzle

            That doesn’t even make sense.

          • DavidAppell

            More demonstraton of your inadequacy.

          • tnizzle

            More demonstration that you can’t even spell. Three degrees in physics? I doubt it.

          • DavidAppell

            “Anyone who can spell correctly is a calculating idiot.”
            – my high school English teacher

          • tnizzle

            You must have been raised in the ghetto.

          • DavidAppell

            Unlike chemistry or physics, climate science isn’t an experimental science.

            Do you know why?

          • tnizzle

            Because it’s based on trying to predict the future with computer models (that are inaccurate) and what the earth will do to compensate for increased CO2. Also, climate science bases several factors on unproven assumptions. Lastly, how can climate scientists know for certain that they are taking all factors into consideration? They can’t. You’ll never convince me that climate science is relevant because there is no way to prove any of it.

          • DavidAppell

            Which “unproven assumptions?”

          • tnizzle

            All of it is unproven assumption. Predicting the future – unproven assumption.

          • DavidAppell

            What unproven assumptions? You don’t seem to have a clue….

          • tnizzle

            Now you’re just playing dumb… or are dumb. Give me hard evidence that anything the AGW Nazis say is true.

          • DavidAppell

            You aren’t capable of understanding the evidence.

            Giving it to you would be like giving sirloin to a puppy.

          • tnizzle

            You have no hard evidence, because there is none.

          • DavidAppell

            There is plenty — you just don’t know it.

            Q1: Why is the stratosphere cooling?

          • tnizzle

            Tell me oh wise one. Why is the stratosphere cooling?

          • DavidAppell

            AGW. Go learn, for a change.

          • tnizzle

            http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628524/Climate-change-shock-Burning-fossil-fuels-COOLs-planet-says-NASA

            And there you have it. End of story. You were wrong the entire time, and I was right.

          • tnizzle
          • DavidAppell

            “Because it’s based on trying to predict the future with computer models”

            So how would you, as the expert, predict the future?

          • tnizzle

            Only a fool would try to predict the future. Call Cleo if you want that.

          • DavidAppell

            Tell us, Einstein: Who in this world tries to predict the future? Market analysists? Doctors? You?

            I bet you try to predict the future a doze times a day.

            Climate science does the same thing. It’s an ENORMOUSLY important question.

          • tnizzle

            Cleo. Global warming alarmists. Yes market ANALYSTS (Did you even graduate high school? I can’t tell). You know what they all have in common? They are all full of sh*t. How many times is a doze? When individuals try to predict the future, it doesn’t involve robbing people of their wealth. How are billions in new taxes going to solve your AGW problem? It’s a scam and you’re too stupid to see it. What’s even scarier is that there are millions of people like you who are too stupid to know fact from fiction.

          • DavidAppell

            There needn’t be any taxes to solve global warming.

            “Fixing Climate Change May Add No Costs, Report Says,”
            Justin Gillis, New York Times, Sept 16 2014.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/science/earth/fixing-climate-change-may-add-no-costs-report-says.html

          • tnizzle

            Ok.

          • DavidAppell

            Or a revenue-neutral carbon tax, like British Columbia has. It’s working to cut emissions.

          • tnizzle

            It’s also making the powers that be very very rich. How do you feel about that?

          • DavidAppell

            Which powers have been made rich? Who exactly, and by what amounts?

          • DavidAppell

            Who is getting rich? Prove it.

          • tnizzle

            Use your three physics degrees and figure it out.

          • DavidAppell

            I knew you couldn’t support your own claims. You just spout things with nothing to back them up.

            In other words, you lie.

            Thanks for making it so clear.

          • tnizzle
          • DavidAppell

            Why are you so afraid to pay for the damage costs of your own pollution?

            Didn’t your mommy teach you to clean up after yourself?

          • tnizzle

            You miss the point. How is giving the government billions of dollars going to solve anything? I’m all for clean energy, but the AGW crap is a total fabrication. You’re clearly a democrat so for you that’s a good thing. I personally don’t want the government to run my life.

          • DavidAppell

            Stop trying to judge who I am — you are extremely wrong.

            Who is expecting you to “give the government billions of dollars?”

            Who?

          • tnizzle

            Why don’t you use your 3 physics degrees and figure that out on your own.

          • DavidAppell

            “Lastly, how can climate scientists know for certain that they are taking all factors into consideration?”

            How did NASA know they took all factors into account when they used Newtonian gravity to get to the moon and back?

          • tnizzle

            Physics is testable. Climate fraud isn’t.

          • DavidAppell

            You aren’t qualified to judge what climate science can do and what it can’t do.

          • tnizzle

            You aren’t qualified to tie your own shoes in the morning.

          • DavidAppell

            I’m infinitely more qualified than you to understand and judge the science.

          • tnizzle

            You don’t even have a clue what science is.

          • DavidAppell

            Unless you can start coming up with intelligent, meaningful replies, you’re done here and will get no further attention. Warming.

          • tnizzle

            Yeah, I am done here. Cooling.

          • DavidAppell

            Sure: mindlessly write “cooling,” as if physics cares about what you think.

            Time for you to haul out.

          • tnizzle

            You better take another look at what NASA says about burning fossil fuels you fool.

            http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628524/Climate-change-shock-Burning-fossil-fuels-COOLs-planet-says-NASA

          • tnizzle

            Your physics degrees aren’t worth JACK. Maybe you should reconsider your path in life.

            http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/12/burning-fossil-fuels-cools-local-environment-says-nasa/

          • DavidAppell

            Your degrees?

          • tnizzle

            Masters in biochemistry from UT

          • DavidAppell

            3 degrees in physics. I win.

          • tnizzle

            3 degrees in physics, and you still take lies as the truth.

          • DavidAppell
          • tnizzle

            What is this garbage?

          • DavidAppell

            Read it (for a change).

          • DavidAppell

            “You’ll never convince me that climate science is relevant because there is no way to prove any of it.”

            So how do you think *ANY* scientific idea ever gets to be relevant? Huh?

          • tnizzle

            Real scientific ideas become relevant by being proven, many times over, experimentally in a laboratory setting. You can’t do that with the “settled science” of climate science. In fact I’m not even going to refer to it as a science any longer. From now on, it’s climate fraud.

          • DavidAppell

            Do you think it’s not well demonstrated that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation?

            Or that the Earth emits it?

            Your understanding or science is very poor. Not even freshman college level.

            Did you go to college? I can’t tell.

          • tnizzle

            You’re an idiot.

          • DavidAppell

            So you think CO2 doesn’t even absorb infrared radiation?

            Even Fred Flintstone knew CO2 does this. Barney too.

          • DavidAppell

            Do you need a link to Tyndall’s 1859 paper on the absorption properties of CO2?

          • DavidAppell

            “In fact I’m not even going to refer to it as a science any longer. ”

            Because you can’t. You are the type of know-nothing who rejects all science, though you understand none of it. Bird brain.

          • tnizzle

            Again, go ahead and believe all the lies you want. You call me a know nothing, yet what you describe as knowledge is all just speculation and lies. And THAT is why you’re the sucker. I know real science when I see it because I do it every single day in the lab. Very poor attempt at trying to convince an actual scientist that AGW is real. Go suck on Al Gore’s knob.

          • DavidAppell

            I’ll keep pointing to knowledge.

            You dismiss it because you are ignorant, of science, and understand none of it.

            Conservative politicians LOVE people like you — you are the easiest to be played. You can’t think for yourself, so you accept whatever they tell you to accept.

            It’s sad, but there you are.

          • DavidAppell
          • tnizzle

            Propaganda. China’s fresh water is disappearing because they have 1.4 billion people and booming industry. Both of those require a vast ammount of water. Your article doesn’t say much.

          • DavidAppell

            The article isn’t about water. It’s about climate. (Did you even read it?)

          • tnizzle

            No, because it’s propaganda.

          • DavidAppell

            How would you know?

          • tnizzle

            Because it was put out by Slate. Slate is a propaganda machine. Everyone knows that.

          • DavidAppell

            It’s just dumb to reject something because of where it was published. Shows you aren’t up to considering it on its own merits, and are seeking excuses to dismiss findings and ideas you don’t like.

          • tnizzle

            It’s dumb to trust anything claiming to be ‘scientific’ that’s not published in scientific journals.

          • DavidAppell

            My God, you can’t even keep track of what side you’re. Bird brain.

          • tnizzle

            Construct complete sentences please.

          • DavidAppell

            How would you know?
            Your qualifications to judge the science?

          • tnizzle

            If you want to be that gullible, go right ahead. I’m not, and I’ve made my case.

          • DavidAppell

            Do you have anything INTELLIGENT to say here? Because I’m not seeing it.

          • tnizzle

            It’s unintelligent to take speculation as fact. Get a grip, David.

          • DavidAppell

            Still nothing intelligent to say here.

            That’s my point.

          • tnizzle

            I know you have nothing intelligent to say. You’ve just confirmed it.

          • DavidAppell

            This is the kind of reply my 6-yr old niece tries.

          • tnizzle

            You’re the one that started the ad hominem attacks.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The satellite data is vastly more manipulated than the surface record.

          • CaycePryhs

            You misspelled “accurate.”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Here is what the chief scientist at RSS systems, that produces the RSS satellite record, has to say about the satellite record.

            A similar, but stronger case can be made using
            surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than
            satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the
            various satellite datasets do!).

            The UAH data set is in good agreement with the surface record.

          • A.C.

            Problem is that there is nothing special about the ’81-’10 average they are using as a baseline. It’s completely arbitrary, and ignores all of the cooling that was seen in the 1960s and 1970s. This average doesn’t represent Earth’s ‘perfect temperature’…but we are meant to think it does.

            Why not use the temperature average of, say…1681-1710?? Or 1801-1830? Or 1835-1864?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Problem is that there is nothing special about the ’81-’10 average they are using as a baseline. It’s completely arbitrary, and ignores all of the cooling that was seen in the 1960s and 1970s.”

            It is a bit difficult for the satellite record to use a baseline that is not part of the satellite record which essentially started in 1979.

            If you can find a way to extend the satellite record to a date that is earlier than 1979, then please let us know.

            As for the baseline period, it defines the zero point for the anomaly of course. It changes the scale on the left, but of course doesn’t alter the shape of the graf.

            I learned that in grade 6.

            Why didn’t you?

          • A.C.

            But, but…I thought satellite data wasn’t worth a damn and surface temperatures are ‘where it’s at’??

            This period is still no less arbitrary than any other 30 year period in the planet’s 4.6B year history. You are high on snark, but low on substance…as usual. Are you really saying that this period is somehow magical because it is the one that’s MOST EASILY GRAPHED??

            Stretch it back another 30 years and the shape of the graph flattens considerably.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You are right. The satellite record is very poor since it is obtained by weather satellites that were designed to provide weather data and not long term climate observations.

            Satellites don’t measure surface temperatures for example, and the ones in service now measure something – they refer to it as a temperature – through a range of atmosphere that is around than 10 km thick centered at around 4 km in altitude.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “This period is still no less arbitrary than any other 30 year period in the planet’s 4.6B year history.” – A.Ckook

            Exactly and that is why your family doctor asks you about your childhood experiences when you get a cold. All time intervals are equally arbitrary.

            My goodness you are stupid.

          • tward3

            I learned to spell graph in the sixth grade, why didn’t you?

          • DavidAppell

            Yes, I agree. Satellited don’t even measure temperatures….

          • pnkearns

            Demand full and complete publishing and access on the Internet to all global science measurements, data and models that receive a dime of public funding – without exception – in raw data form, along with the biases documented, to get to “adjusted data” etc. It’s what the folks at CERN do.

            Either the adjustments are acceptable and credible, or they’ll be blasted to pieces by Internet review.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            All the information you foolishly demand is already available to you, on line.

            Doesn’t that fact make you look like a fool?

            Yes it does.

            When are you denialist kooks going to start your data analysis? You have had over
            30 years to do it.

            So far you Mental Ward Patients haven’t managed to produce a single peer reviewed scientific report that supports your Kookie, Kookie, public assertions.

          • windy132

            I live in the city. Every day I drive to country. Currently it is winter. When I leave the City it is -1C. When I arrive at my destination 5 km from the city it is usually -3, -4C. At the entrance to my yard there is a deposit box for carbon footprint. I put 20.00 in that box every day and although I fell pillaged on one hand and gratified on the other (saving the planet through my pocket book you know)
            the temperature refuses to budge. I know, I know. Auto makers are in the pockets of the oil companies to produce false readings on their vehicles. Say’s it is -4 but it isn’t, right??

          • VendicarDecarian0

            For me today is forecast to have a high of 60’F, when the typical temp for this day of the year is 34’F

            Not bad for Dec 14.

            So far, the fall has been exceptionally and anomalously warm.

            My guess is that the GISSTemp anomaly for last month will come to be in the mid 90’s, making 2015 by far the warmest year ever recorded.

          • Patricia Henry

            peer reviewed = allowed into the global warming club

          • DavidAppell

            All the raw temperature data is already available. I’m sure you will be making good use of it in your own calculations, right?

          • DavidAppell

            “Either the adjustments are acceptable and credible, or they’ll be blasted to pieces by Internet review.”

            The Internet — whoever that’s supposed to be — does not have the expertise to make such judgements.

          • EagleJim

            Adjustments to data can also be used to inject biases, for example to have the data agree with predetermined desirable outcomes.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Are you trying to say that NASA, the NOAA, the Hadley Center, the JMO and Berkeley Best are all involved in the same conspiracy.

            Who is behind it all? The moon men?

            Ahahahahahah… Koooooook

          • DavidAppell

            What is the evidence this has happened?

          • elizabethrc

            True enough, but recently NOAA actually put out the results of a study which showed that contrary to popular belief, the world’s forests are replenishing and growing greener, healthier, more expansive and the animals which live there are multiplying in numbers and are healthier than they’ve been in decades. The reason they state is CO2.
            As an added thought: when Al Gore was born there were around 6 or 7 thousand polar bears. Currently, there are over 30,000. Maybe, with the so called loss of the ice and their aquatic food sources, they’ve taken a liking to broccoli. Something’s sure helping them grow!

          • DavidAppell

            Really?? What NOAA study is this? I’d love to read it. Citation? Link?

            Source for your polar bear numbers?

          • sevenravens

            Put them on a slow boat to China, thats how.

          • DavidAppell

            I’m guessing you don’t even know WHY the raw data is adjusted. Yes?

          • Bill

            I have yet to see anyone prove global warming without adjusting the data. Fact is the temp has been cooling over the past 35 years and it screws their plan without making adjustments. Small minds believe idiots like Obama cause they are the same small minds that voted for the liar and thief.

          • DavidAppell

            “Fact is the temp has been cooling over the past 35 years….”

            Really?? Let’s see you prove it — with data. This should be really interesting……..

          • Grendel007

            By disassociating science and politics

          • DavidAppell

            NOAA already does that.

            How would you remove the biases from the raw temperature data?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “How would you remove those biases?” – DavidAppell

            For the surface temperature measured by ground stations I would use the Berkeley Earth method or something similar.

            For the satellite data, I wouldn’t even try The number of corrections is so enormous that it isn’t possible IMO to produce any meaningful trends.

            A targeted satellite mission needs to be launched to do that.

          • DavidAppell

            “For the surface temperature measured by ground stations I would use the Berkeley Earth method or something similar.”

            Berkeley Earth uses very similar techniques as everyone else to account for biases. That’s why their results agree with everyone else’s.

            You might be right about the satellites.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Berkeley Earth isn’t necessarily better but it is substantively cleaner than the other methods used.

            Denialists ignorantly whine about adjustments to the raw data. Berkeley earth doesn’t do that and treats each station record as an independent data set – with some filling for missing data on occasion.

            So with Berkeley Earth the Denialists have nothing to whine about.

            That is why they ignore the reconstruction.

            But since the Berkeley Earth reconstruction is nearly identical to all the others, it tells you that the other methods used in the other reconstructions are valid, and that accusations made by the Denialists against the other reconstructions are nothing more than lies.

            Lie, Lie, Lie.. That is what Denialists do.

          • DavidAppell

            Why is Berkeley Earth “substantially cleaner?”

          • model94

            With complete transparency. NOAA has chosen to hide theirs. What does that say?

          • DavidAppell

            Really? Show me the model for UAH’s adjustments.

            They won’t even share their code with anyone.

          • NoBlarney

            The so called scientists have to make money somehow. Most of them are complete failures in the real world.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Usually Denialists refer to scientists as “elites”, Now you call them “failures”.

            Please make up your minds guys. It makes you look like you will fabricate any non-truth and then whine about it.

          • seanhellier

            Elitist failures. You know, the guys who are unlocking the secrets of life and the universe and inventing the drugs and machines and software that we all depend on, without which we’d all be back in the Dark Ages. Damned losers.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The term “Ellite failue” reminds me of the term “do nothing dictator” that the same people use to refer to Obama.

            It makes no sense but it gives the apes a target to throw their Republidung at.

          • CTConservatives47

            Every time you post your inanities, you detract from the sum of human knowledge. Naturally, Obama is your god. The vacuous worship the vacuous.

          • Cahal the Mad™

            Typical climate cultists rambling. Your “Climate scientists” aren’t even real scientists and all of this BS fantasy crap will end when the sane finally purge in the insane commie trash from existence. Enjoy lying in your mass grave with the other vermin, kid.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Not real scientists ay? Tell us more Mad man.

          • Stephen Tobe

            Pseudoscience with an agenda.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “with an agenda”.

            You mean “with a doctor of science degree”.

            Isn’t it interesting how closely the NOAA, NASA, Hadley Center, BEST and JMO temperature reconstructions match?

            The Global surface Temperature anomaly is now at 1.0’C and rising.

          • A.C.

            Is this ‘pre-fiddled’ or ‘post-fiddled’ data?

          • Paul Blair

            re-fiddled.

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          • model94

            the correct term is “stratavaria data”

          • hmastercylinder

            Actually, a wild guess.

          • Pam Dunn

            YES !!!!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            pre-fiddled.

          • carrabelle

            “10 Year moving average?” Just proves the point that Climate Science is the academic discipline of predicting the movement of statistical noise.

          • used2livethere

            Nice! I like the analogy. May I borrow it?

          • model94

            Except when it predicts intentionally fabricated data.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your knowledge of statistics is even more primitive than your knowledge of science.

            You poor Retard.

          • DennisinOhio

            Wait, you mean this chart is accurate? Then it shows temperatures in the 1700’s were, using standard deviations, about the same as they are today? Or not?? You do realize of course there were not accurate readings possible except for a few places in Europe, over 150 years ago? You do realize, we are coming out of a global cold spell that lasted until the 1800’s, right? You do realize we had periods much warmer than this in the distant past, like the Middle Ages, right? You do realize of course, the middle of the US was at alternate times covered in 1000 feet of ice, or lying deep beneath an inland sea? And you do realize all of the past shifts in global climate had NOTHING to do with CO 2, or indeed mankind at all? It’s all BS, but if you prefer to live in a fairy tale world, more power to you.

          • Red Eric

            During WWII the P-38 fighter could make it to Europe, but they flew in formation with a B-17 for navigation. One of these flights reached Greenland and the B-17 had problems and had to put down on the ice. The P-38 pilots had no choice and also landed. Several years ago a group went to Greenland, dug through 200 feet of ice. They disassembled a P-38 brought it up, reassembled it. It is named “Ice Queen”. So, are these idiots saying the oceans are shallower now due to all that ice accumulated since 1942?

          • Smellmyfinger

            You can’t educate these bafoons The Devil is the father of all lies he cannot tell the truth! Does this sound like Obunghole and all his cronies

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nope. You can’t educate Denialists. They are too brain dead and typically too old to be able to learn.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Eric. He just can’t figure out that glaciers flow like rivers to the sea, only very, very slow rivers.

            Here is the Greenland melt anomaly map for 2012. Red = mundo melting.

          • Smellmyfinger

            “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the DEAD.” Thomas Paine Does this discribe these looney or what? These looneys have an agenda we waste valuable time on liberal con men The likes of Al gore pot belly puke

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Then it shows temperatures in the 1700’s were, using standard deviations, about the same as they are today? ” – DennisOhio

            Sorry Dennis, but you are confusing potential error with the derived value.

            Due to a lack of data it is possible temperatures in the 1700’s to be slightly cooler to 2.5’C cooler than present. But the most likely value is 1.7’C cooler than now.

            It is laughable that you don’t know how to read a simple graph that contains error bars.

          • model94

            what in the world does “possibly” and “most likely” mean in relation to limited data, and what pray tell is the confidence of a derived value when the governing equation isn’t known? (pssst – and you can’t use the derived result to prove the relation that is being postulated. That’s a mathematical circle-jerk) Put some meat behind the statement, since you seem to be the statistical expert here. Dennis is exactly and precisely correct.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “You do realize, we are coming out of a global cold spell that lasted until the 1800’s, right?” – DennisOhio

            Here is the data. I don’t see the global cold spell that you are referring to.

            Perhaps you have been drinking heavily.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Clearly you don’t know what a standard deviation is, or know how to read a graph.

            You are pure ignorance Dennis.

          • Jeff H.

            “Record Crushing Fraud From NOAA” So NOAA has been caught manipulating temps. What does that say about those other Organizations and their data?
            http://realclimatescience.com/2015/11/record-crushing-fraud-from-noaa-and-nasa-ahead-of-paris/

          • Smellmyfinger

            The sky is falling the damn sky is falling ……… Lions tigers and bearths ohhh thmy

          • Pam Dunn

            More government chart BULLSHYTE of “adjusted” numbers proving NOTHING because it’s ALL based on stations from less than 1% of the earth’s surface and almost totally ZERO in the Northern Climes of Alaska, Russia and China.
            Now back to your basement and leggo toys moron.

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          • model94

            it proves that which it is intended to prove.

          • SquidBonez

            Here’s a more accurate, non-cherry-picked graph.
            http://www.greenworldtrust.org.uk/Science/Images/Main/Warm_periods.jpg

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your graph omits the last several decades of warming.

            I’ll correct that for you…

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your graph seems to be missing the last 100 years or so.

            I’ll correct it for you.

          • SquidBonez

            Source of graph???

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Source – You. Correction by Me.

          • SquidBonez

            So, you edited that graph I provided or did you get it from somewhere else?

          • SquidBonez

            Also, even if that edited graph you provided was accurate, you can see it would still be within the lines of natural variability when considering past interglacials. That’s IF, mind you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Sorry boy, but from wherever you intend to zero emissions the little red dot is going to rise by about the same distance it has risen already and stay there for at least 1,000 years.

            So if you zero’d global emissions of CO2 now, the temperature chart would
            evolve as shown below.

          • SquidBonez

            That didn’t answer my question. Did YOU edit that graph I sent you or did you find it somewhere? Because if you just went into Microsoft Paint and drew that red line, then guess what? I wouldn’t be able to take you seriously (and I doubt anybody else would either). Not like I could anyway, as I could never take an extremist like you who associates skeptics with Holocaust deniers seriously.

          • roccotool

            flagged

          • VendicarDecarian0

            So you are not only a denialist, but also an enemy of freedom of speech.

            The two do go hand in hand.

          • opjyhwk

            “Denialist”?
            You seem to be the one eager to ridicule and polarize those who don’t agree with you. Is that a universal trait of Alinskyites?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Isn’t the Ridicule of fools, protected speech in ConservaTard America?

          • steve

            Galileo was a “denialist” in his day. How did that turn out?

          • Sweettea71

            Funny how the deniers are the ones that get fired from their jobs when they speak out yet you say roccotool has an issue with free speech. Maybe you should clean your own house before giving us a lecture on free speech.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Deniers should not be fired. They should have a rope wrapped around their necks and be tossed out the nearest window.

            Their crime. Treason against nature and man.

          • Sweettea71

            Please. Regardless of how much you yell and make fun the science ISN’T settled. Now that doesn’t mean we want to pour oil in the rivers and let my car run all night in the driveway while I sleep, but it also doesn’t mean I want to give trillions to third world countries and democrats that have a financial interest in this scheme. As Kerry said what Obama agreed to in Paris won’t make a difference anyway.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Sorry Child. The science has been settled since the mid 1800’s, and is confirmed billions of times a day, all over the world.

            That is only a fraction of the extent of your stupidity.

          • Sweettea71

            You have so little to go on that you need to jump right to name calling when challenged? Even weaker than I thought.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Sorry Child. The science has been settled since the mid 1800’s, and is confirmed billions of times a day, all over the world.

            That is only a fraction of the extent of your stupidity.

          • Sweettea71

            ***Fingers in ears, stomp feet, repeat. ***

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Looks like a lot of warming to me.

          • Sweettea71

            Lots of warming and cooling…exactly what it has done for centuries.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b82c0c3accb78893320a20fd6d94fb78abc6f64008039fa8e181ab120de2947f.jpg

          • Dave

            That’s pretty funny given that your global communist friends want to arrest and prosecute anyone that doesn’t buy into their climate change scam. You aren’t even intelligent enough to make it as a useful idiot.

          • Pam Dunn

            Might s well flag morons like you that continually spread BULLSHYTE lies and idiocy.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Pam. She just doesn’t exist in the reality based community.

            Low sloping forehead, down turned eyes, older than most trees, exceptionally low IQ.

            Truly a paragon of Republican thinking.

          • Atty Tude

            You should know about that. May I politely remind you of this:

            “QUENTIN LETTS: How I was vaporised by the BBC’s Green Gestapo after daring to mock the Met Office and global warming”

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3355441/QUENTIN-LETTS-vaporised-BBC-s-Green-Gestapo.html

            And you of the Green Gestapo have the nerve to lecture us on freedom of speech?

            Pharisee!

          • model94

            Agreed. He should be sent to re-education.

          • SquidBonez

            Alarmists are the one who go against free speech, calling for skeptics to be jailed.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Skeptics should not be jailed. Denialists on the other hand are destined for public execution.

          • SquidBonez

            You act like there are two groups of people. A SKEPTIC is any person who doubts catastrophic global warming due to humans. “Denier” is an alarmist smear word that attempts to link skeptics to Holocaust deniers. Whatever side you are on in this debate, comparing anyone to Holocaust deniers is scandalous. But, based on our previous interactions, I doubt you even care. You’re not just opinionated…you’re a dangerous, illogical alarmist.

            Even if you don’t believe it, I am an environmentalist. I fully support protection of endangered species, sustainable hunting/fishing, protection of critical habitat, prevention of habitat alteration, etc. But, like 1 in 5 environmentalists, I am an AGW skeptic. That is all I have to say. Goodbye, and have a nice day, y o u p s y c h o p a t h .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            When Skepticism Becomes Denial: The Unholy Alliance Between Science Denial Movements

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/when-skepticism-becomes-d_b_4215286.html

            One of the most perplexing side effects of the Information Age is the means that it unfortunately grants to many pseudoscientific and science-denial movements to gain foothold and mutually strengthen numbers. Gone are the days when everyone would read or listen to common, well-researched, professionally written news.

            Nowadays, everyone can withdraw into a self-imposed cocoon of “personalized” (and often erroneous) information. This includes big players such as Fox News, as Americans, Brits, and Australians hostage to the Murdoch empire know only too well.

          • SquidBonez

            You act like there aren’t any skeptical scientists (or you believe in the 97% consensus). I really don’t care what David Bailey or John Borwein has to say. Like you and I, they are just more people with opinions.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            We are now well beyond Jail.

            The punishment for their crimes will be public execution.

          • SquidBonez

            Further proves my point.

          • Pam Dunn

            NO, they are just total morons like you PLUS being greedy for bigger and MORE government dollars stolen from the taxpayers.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You are right Pam. The world can’t be warming because your taxes are too high.

            Get a better Job… Loser.

          • model94

            Well, when there is only one acceptable view to hold, and not holding
            that view leads to unemployment, you have to question things just a
            little bit chief.

          • Afterheart

            According to scientists in the 1970’s and early 1980’s we were entering an extended global cooling period. Where they wrong then or are they wrong now. Even your high patron saint of kilowatt usage and globull warming Algore said ten years ago we would be kaput by now and it would be too late. Wasn’t he wrong then sparky. You people are so gullible. You are either in on the scam or complete imbeciles!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “According to scientists in the 1970’s and early 1980’s we were entering an extended global cooling period.”

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            No such claims appear in the scientific literature.

          • tward3

            http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html

            http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/01/global-cooling-compilation/

            The fools of days past (who are just like the fools of today) thought that the internal combustion engine was causing global cooling (just like the fools of the present think that the internal combustion engine is warming the earth).

            So, which is it, fool? Do internal combustion engines cool or warm the earth? OR, in your bizarro world, are both true at the same time?

          • hmastercylinder

            The idiots all think they can come up with a simple way to model the most complicated thing mankind has ever pondered.
            You can’t. There are way too many variables whose relationship between each other has never even been studied, let alone established.

          • model94

            They can’t tell me what the temperature will be next Wed +/- 2 degrees or the humidity within 5%, but they can model a hockey stick divergence in temperature that has not started, 50 years from now. And WE are criticized for not understanding the learned sciencewhores.

          • snuff1

            Denying the cooling claims of the 70’s? Hahahahahahahahahahaha u must be 16. Off u go before u get a spankin’

          • VendicarDecarian0

            There were cooling claims made in the 70’s.

            But not from the scientific community.

          • snuff1
          • VendicarDecarian0

            The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus

            “Climate science as we know it today did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prizewinning work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change existed then as separate threads of research pursued by isolated groups of scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers grappled with the measurement of changes in carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases, and the changes in climate that might result. Meanwhile, geologists and paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why. An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists’ thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth’s climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review describes how scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.”

            Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society > September 2008 > The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific ConsensusAdvanced Search

          • VendicarDecarian0

            There isn’t a single scientific publication in your list. But there is a TV show about werewolves, UFO’s and Big foot.

            And also this…

            Deadly Harvest [Film] (Starring: Kim Cattrall, Clint Walker, 1976)

            Ahahahahahahahah…. Stuuuuuuuuupid.

          • Dave

            Most all of us old enough to remember sat in science classes in the 1970s and were told repeatedly that we were headed for extinction due to an approaching ice age, and those of us that didn’t starve to death were going to be wiped out by killer bees swarming up from Mexico. All of this was going to happen by the year 2000 they said. Well, It’s almost 2016, and I am still waiting.

          • Pam Dunn

            I HAD a Science Class; “Man and His Environment” taught by a PhD in Physical Chemistry. He called the supposed coming Petroleum shortage a LOAD of BULLSHYTE (In polite language of course) and poked holes in every other BULLSHYTE climate claim that was being made about cooling OR man caused change.
            I got an “A” in that class back in the day you had to work and EARN your grade, NOT just show up.

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          • R_Swift

            We were supposed to have also run out of oil 30 years ago…..

          • model94

            more of it inconveniently keeps getting discovered, at a rate that exceeds its consumption.

          • model94

            i forgot about those bees.

          • Pam Dunn

            DON’T bother Spouting the “ADJUSTED temperature sources of the government agency; They have adjusted PAST temperatures DOWN for the last 2 or 3 HUNDRED YEARS and the CURRENT temperatures UP to justify their completely WRONG BULLSHYTE and make believe. It’s fodder for morons like you that are incapable of thinking.

          • model94

            Adjustments /fudge factors are used all the time in science to correlate imperfect models with experimental results. They are done with full transparency. Changing the EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS is an entirely different matter. It is unethical. In my (read: evil) multinational corporation, to falsify data is to violate its ethics policy, and leads to termination.

          • R_Swift

            Where were you back then, in a sperm bank?

          • Sigurd Crane

            Why would that matter? Can’t you read? Or do you have to EXPERIENCE history. Not all of us have the attention span of a goldfish.

          • R_Swift

            Because I was a witness to the claims back then about a new ice age, it is obvious that you were not. Next time you read something, verify, verify, verify.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            No one in the scientific community made such claims. You were a gullible loser then and you remain a gullible loser today.

            Denialist scumbag.

          • R_Swift

            Fool.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus
            http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

            Climate science as we know it today did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prizewinning work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change existed then as separate threads of research pursued by isolated groups of scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers grappled with the measurement of changes in carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases, and the changes in climate that might result. Meanwhile, geologists and paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why. An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists’ thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth’s climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review describes how scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.

            Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society > September 2008 > The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Scientific Consensus

          • Afterheart

            Books were written on the coming Ice Age Dimwit. I have some of them in my library.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Books are also written about Bigfoot conspiracies, Alien tunnels under the White House, the secret alien base built in the hollow core of the earth, about the evils of vaccination, and how the pyramids were built from cement rather than stone.

            Ben Carson – running for the Republican Nomination for president believes that the pyramids were built to store grain – something he read in a book somewhere, sometime.

            And of course there are the dozens of books that document how the Moon Landings were a hoax.

          • Afterheart

            You are a fool. Thank you for proving it!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Have you planned what you will say when the noose is being placed around your neck?

            The noose won’t be listening.

          • model94

            The examples provided in your first paragraph are actually a good representation of what passes for climate science. For example, nobody has seen the hockey stick divergence (or bigfoot) but more people believe in the former.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Isn’t it interesting how Denialist sources always turn out to be kooks and liars.

          • model94

            Nice. Why do you keep sharing data that people are hoping may not happen? When I was in grad school at Carnegie Mellon, on professor criticized another student during her thesis review as practicing “mental masturbation”. It was a crude statement, but it applies to the warming crowd i think.

          • JS

            18 spectacularly wrong apocalyptic predictions made around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970, expect more this year

            In the May 2000 issue of Reason Magazine, award-winning science correspondent Ronald Bailey wrote an excellent article titled “Earth Day, Then and Now”
            to provide some historical perspective on the 30th anniversary of Earth
            Day. In that article, Bailey noted that around the time of the first
            Earth Day, and in the years following, there was a “torrent of
            apocalyptic predictions” and many of those predictions were featured in
            his Reason article. Well, it’s now the 45th anniversary of Earth Day,
            and a good time to ask the question again that Bailey asked 15 years
            ago: How accurate were the predictions made around the time of the first
            Earth Day in 1970? The answer: “The prophets of doom were not simply
            wrong, but spectacularly wrong,” according to Bailey. Here are
            18 examples of the spectacularly wrong predictions made around 1970 when
            the “green holy day” (aka Earth Day) started:

            1.
            Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end
            within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems
            facing mankind.”

            2. “We are in an
            environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of
            the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington
            University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the
            scholarly journal Environment.

            3. The
            day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned,
            “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to
            enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration
            and possible extinction.”

            4.
            “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small
            increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared
            in the April 1970 Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at
            least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during
            the next ten years.”

            5. “Most of the
            people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of
            man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled
            “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will
            have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into
            famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic,
            think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the
            decade of the 1980s.”

            6. Ehrlich
            sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of
            The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4
            billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the
            “Great Die-Off.”

            7. “It is already too
            late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief
            organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living
            Wilderness.

            8. Peter Gunter, a North
            Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree
            almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread
            famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of
            India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or
            conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine
            conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world,
            with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will
            be in famine.”

            9. In January 1970,
            Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical
            evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban
            dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985
            air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by
            one half….”

            10. Ecologist Kenneth
            Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only
            a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere
            and none of our land will be usable.”

            11.
            Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up
            all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to
            suffocate.

            12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in,
            predicting in his 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take
            hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich
            sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during
            “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.

            13.
            Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other
            chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life
            expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans
            born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he
            predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach
            42 years by 1980, when it might level out.

            14.
            Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends
            continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t
            be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er
            up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”

            15.
            Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences,
            published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves
            and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after
            2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.

            16.
            Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley,
            secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years,
            somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals
            will be extinct.”

            17. In 1975, Paul
            Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original
            tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30
            years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas
            will vanish with it.”

            18. Kenneth Watt
            warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been
            chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present
            trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the
            global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year
            2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

            MP:
            Let’s keep those spectacularly wrong predictions from the first Earth
            Day 1970 in mind when we’re bombarded tomorrow with media hype, and
            claims like this from the official Earth Day website:

            Scientists
            warn us that climate change could accelerate beyond our control,
            threatening our survival and everything we love. We call on you to keep
            global temperature rise under the unacceptably dangerous level of 2
            degrees C, by phasing out carbon pollution to zero. To achieve this, you
            must urgently forge realistic global, national and local agreements, to
            rapidly shift our societies and economies to 100% clean energy by 2050.
            Do this fairly, with support to the most vulnerable among us. Our world
            is worth saving and now is our moment to act. But to change everything,
            we need everyone. Join us.

            Finally, think about this question, posed by Ronald Bailey in 2000: What will Earth look like when Earth Day 60 rolls around in 2030?
            Bailey predicts a much cleaner, and much richer future world, with less
            hunger and malnutrition, less poverty, and longer life expectancy, and
            with lower mineral and metal prices. But he makes one final prediction
            about Earth Day 2030: “There will be a disproportionately influential
            group of doomsters predicting that the future–and the present–never
            looked so bleak.” In other words, the hype, hysteria and spectacularly
            wrong apocalyptic predictions will continue, promoted by the
            “environmental grievance hustlers.”

            Earth Day

            Ronald Bailey

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            “1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end
            within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems
            facing mankind.””

            He was right. And many problems were addressed. I.E. the green revolution,

            But many of the problems remain to be addressed.

          • model94

            Curious what the defining and specific “immediate action” was that did the trick? Your talent in logic suggest IVY league. Here is another, and it represents an identical process in thought and logic: While I live in the northern US, my home was at risk for invasion by hippopotamus. I determined that immediate action was required, in the form of smearing dog crap all over my front door. It was completely effective. Whew. Hun, you can’t hold the absence of a hypothetical outcome as proof that a theorized antidote worked.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.”

            Yup. He is absolutely right.

          • model94

            Absolutely. We will always and forever be in the midst of a threatening, but not actual, environmental crisis. Its pretty convenient.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to
            enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration
            and possible extinction.””

            Absolutely. That statement is more true today than when it was first stated.

          • model94

            … and will always be true apparently. Convenient. Do you know for example that global oil reserves have continually grown faster than consumption? The bumbling clods who continue predicting a “run out of oil” date aren’t having a good time of it.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            9. In January 1970,
            Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical
            evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban
            dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985
            air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by
            one half….”

            Fortunately despite opposition from Republicans, government regulation forced coal fired power plants and automotive manufacturers to reduce their particulate emissions so that the future described would not happen.

            You might notice the Severe air pollution seen in China, where people actually do wear gas masks to filter out the air pollution.

          • model94

            no, its from all the fried rice.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the
            global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year
            2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” – Kennith Watt

            He was absolutely right.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley,
            secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years,
            somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals
            will be extinct.”

            ‘Without Doubt,’ a Sixth Mass Extinction Event is Here – http://www.natureworldnews.com/ – Aug 02, 2015 02:08 AM EDT

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in his 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”

            “7 million premature deaths annually linked to air pollution” – World Health Organization.

            25 MARCH 2014 | GENEVA – In new estimates released today, WHO reports that in 2012 around 7 million people died – one in eight of total global deaths – as a result of air pollution exposure. This finding more than doubles previous estimates and confirms that air pollution is now the world’s largest single environmental health risk. Reducing air pollution could save millions of lives.

          • model94

            Erlich and Watt had quite the competition of “wrong” going there. I have no idea really, but suspect if not dead they still enjoy a comfy academic job, or enjoyed one until they departed.

          • model94

            you are apparently too young to remember “the next ice age is coming”. It happened about the same time that we were forced to changed from paper grocery bags to plastic in order to save trees.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Sorry, kook, but the scientific community provided no such warning.

            You are lying.

            But lying is what Republicans do 24/7/365.

          • model94

            Sure they did. I personally sat through the brainwashing.

          • roccotool

            It’s fun to watch the Hoaxers panicking. People are aware of the scam and the Hoaxers can’t stand it.

          • CTConservatives47

            You nailed it. The global warming hoaxers, or religionists, are in a panic because fewer and few people are buying their emotionally-charged nonsense. They would have you believe they have received the divine wisdom that carbon dioxide has been isolated from the host of natural factors that have always driven climate. Even their attempt to paint realists as “climate change deniers” shows them to be imbeciles. No one denies that climate changes. The issue are: by how much? who or what is responsible?; and is it worth throwing a wrench into our economies in a ludicrous attempt to “fix” it? The answers are: nothing at all to be concerned about; natural climate variability; and HELL NO, are you crazy?

            This people have overreacted, for political reasons, to a phenomenon that can only be measured in geologic time, not over short-term political cycles that just happened to coincide with the rise of the modern environmental movement, the parallel desire of some scientists to glom on to the movement for grant-seeking benefits, and the political aspirations of Al Gore who, having flunked out of divinity school, needed a new religion to ride into the White House–thank you Supreme Court (at least on that score).

          • VendicarDecarian0

            COP21 is a success.

            2015 by far the warmest year ever recorded, globally.

            Temperatures have risen by 0.3’C over the last 20 years.

            You are dying of old age. Your ignorance will die along with you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            COP21 Was a success.

            It appears that the Denialists are soiling their underpants in protest.

          • SquidBonez

            Even notorious alarmist James Hansen disagrees with you.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Quite impossible since I am in near absolute agreement with Hansen.

          • SquidBonez

            “James Hansen, father of climate change awareness, calls Paris talks ‘a fraud'”

            http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/james-hansen-climate-change-paris-talks-fraud

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Hansen wants stronger, legally binding action by the states.

            I agree with him.

            But I don’t agree that COP21 was a fraud. It was simply not sufficient.

            COP22 will be more sufficient.

          • SquidBonez

            COP19 will be better than COP18!

            COP20 will be better than COP19!

            COP21 will be better than COP20!

            COP22 will be better than COP21!

            “Insanity is doing the same thing over & over again & expecting different results.” ~Albert Einstein

          • SquidBonez

            “Quite impossible since I am in near absolute agreement with Hansen.”

            So I take it you would support his views about nuclear power and how sea level rise is to be measured in feet soon rather than millimeters, despite that being against all data, evidence, and logic?

          • steve

            The scientific consensus of 1300 was the earth is flat. Nothing new under the sun.

          • CTConservatives47

            And the consensus in 2015 is that Al Gore’s head is flat, eliminating any space for cerebral tissue.

          • richardjf

            We realize how the earth being flat worked out. I have an aunt living on the other side of the flat earth. She believes living in N Korea would be better than where she living. She knows that a lot of new isis wanna be come from her side but getting to our side is very tricky but not illegal because no one believes it.. Funny thing is they all become Democrats.

          • hmastercylinder

            The two terms are not mutually exclusive, you know.
            In Paris, you have possibly the dumbest, least informed, least successful enclave of humans in history deciding how the rest of the world lives.
            Versailles had nothing on it.

          • snuff1

            U defend this garbage while talking about other people fabricating non-truth…..that is rich. The denial is ALL yours

          • Ragnvaldr Android

            Shockingly people outside your echo chamber have individual thought processes that may or may not form a consensus.

          • MadMikey

            Make up OUR mind?!!? You are the ones screaming “global warming” in 2015, but complained about a “coming ice age” in 1980. Make up YOUR damn mind!

          • richardjf

            The people that believe in this warming hoopla let them pay the tax that will be coming. Im sure they will gladly pay those tax just to prove how far their belief goes.

          • Pam Dunn

            Nice try at inventing BULLSHYTE but you DO NEED to go back to the source and lift bulls tail.

          • richardjf

            very good. lol

          • Johnathan Beck

            Elitist failures works for me.

          • richardjf

            Really the elites? I never heard of them being call elites.
            Maybe scientists from different universities getting grants so fudging number to get bigger grants to study weather. $$$$$$$$$$

          • model94

            I’m trying to think of another area of honest study, scientific or otherwise, where one view refers to a dissenting population as “denialists”. There aren’t any. That is a telling and damning reality. Global warmists more reflect a religious cult than anything else.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Then you couldn’t have thought about Evolution, Big bang Cosmology, old earth geology, and Einsteinian relativity.

          • model94

            Sorry. Try again. In none of these fields to protagonist call the other side “deniers”. Big Bang? This is hardly settled. There is significant work ongoing and they all play nice in the sandbox. Evolution? Please. Relativity? Nobody disputes it because the data have unequivocally supported the theory. Without the need to “adjust”. Incidentally Einstein himself was skeptical of his work in statistical mechanics. “God does not roll dice” were his words. He was asking, ASKING, for someone to find a better and more elegant answer.

          • model94

            Actually I was wrong. The evolutionists do call the God people childish names. My bad.

          • seanhellier

            Yeah. Except for those who are busy inventing all the things that make modern life possible, such as this incredible network who’s resources you’re wasting posting uneducated, anti intellectual Archie Bunker quips on.

          • Scott Savant

            Don’t confuse engineers with scientists. Engineers are real world. Most scientists, like politicians, live in a dream world detached from reality.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Without science there would be no engineering.

            My goodness you are ignorant.

          • tward3

            True, however, people can manipulate data and lie about “science” while engineers are bound by real world, verifiable facts.

          • hmastercylinder

            If the scientist is wrong, sooner or later we find out and change our view.
            If the engineer is imprecise, people die. Too late then to change their view.

          • Pam Dunn

            Babble babble babble; “Scientists” have killed more people than ANY engineer.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            If the science is wrong, then all science developed int he last 200 years is wrong.

            Probability = 0

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          • VendicarDecarian0

            Denialists are constantly cherry picking data. Scientists can’t do that because if they dd, their work would not be published.

            Engineers on the other hand are free to design as many flush toilets as they like.

          • Paul Blair

            My goodness you are unpleasant.

          • Pam Dunn

            AND he’s TOTALLY ignorant too; Must be a scientist.

          • steve

            You know science mixed with politics is not science, right?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            That is why the denialist ideology is not science. It is primarily politics.

          • Dennis A Lee

            Real science, not this fake stuff.

          • Pam Dunn

            ONLY ignorance IS YOU; You can Engineer and invent many things WITH OUT any “science” or “scientist” around or doing anything.

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          • LA_FAN

            Yes like the crying towel, and God, and what else?

            What else are you talking about. What has been invented or discovered without science ?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Get back to us when you learn how to multiply Pam.

          • tward3

            I thought Al Gore invented the internet. That is what he said, right before he said “global warming” which was right before that was debunked (because the temps aren’t rising) and he had to start saying “climate change” (because that is what the climate does, change, normally over time).

          • You SHOULD CARE

            This climate issue is an income tax scam, for USA and world.

            Americans should read their tax laws before sending money to politicians.

            Its Outrageous. Does anyone in taxpayer-land ever bother to read tax law before giving hard earned money to politicians, known liars?

            Govt-Politicians are lying about taxes. U.S. tax law is codified, and easy as 1,2.

            1.
            -Exempt Income-
            26 CFR 1.861-8T(d)(2)(ii)
            “exempt income means any income that is … exempt, excluded, or eliminated for federal income tax purposes.”

            2.
            -Income Not Exempt- [aka, The list of Taxable Income]
            26 CFR 1.861-8T(d)(2)(iii)
            “Income that is not considered tax exempt. The following items are not considered to be exempt, eliminated, or excluded income

            (A) In the case of a foreign taxpayer … gross income (whether domestic or foreign source)
            (B) gross income of a DISC or a FSC; [means Domestic International Sales Corp, Foreign Sales]
            (C) gross income of a possessions corporation
            (D) Foreign earned income as defined in section 911”

            Do you make Foreign earned income? No? Then according to code (law), you don’t owe any income tax. As usual, politicians are stealing money from citizens under color of law.

            SOURCE: ecfr DOT gov
            HOW TO: Click Simple Search, find “exempt income means”

            MORE:
            Computer scientist data-mines tax code, Whatistaxed DOT com

          • Dennis A Lee

            AlGore said we would all be dead by now, and NY would be under water. Such as this gem that all ICE would be gone by 2014. What is today’s date?
            http://www.naturalnews.com/042074_Al_Gore_global_warming_predictions.html

          • richardjf

            My ice maker broke in my freezer in 2014 an the ice was gone. Does that count?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar.. Liar.. Pants on fire…

            Gore’s comments referred to 2050 and later.

          • richardjf

            I think he said he invented the hair net or was it fish net? Hey its Al he probably invented all three, he had all that time to do nothing while VP.
            The only thing I remember gore saying to Billy was, “get with the program before Hilda finds out.”

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar Liar.. Pants on fire…

            “I thought Al Gore invented the internet. That is what he said” – tward3

            Al Gore and the Internet

            By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

            Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

            No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

            Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: “During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” We don’t think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he “invented” the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore’s initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

            As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

            As a Senator in the 1980s Gore urged government agencies to consolidate what at the time were several dozen different and unconnected networks into an “Interagency Network.” Working in a bi-partisan manner with officials in Ronald Reagan and George Bush’s administrations, Gore secured the passage of the High Performance Computing and Communications Act in 1991. This “Gore Act” supported the National Research and Education Network (NREN) initiative that became one of the major vehicles for the spread of the Internet beyond the field of computer science.

            As Vice President Gore promoted building the Internet both up and out, as well as releasing the Internet from the control of the government agencies that spawned it. He served as the major administration proponent for continued investment in advanced computing and networking and private sector initiatives such as Net Day. He was and is a strong proponent of extending access to the network to schools and libraries. Today, approximately 95% of our nation’s schools are on the Internet. Gore provided much-needed political support for the speedy privatization of the Internet when the time arrived for it to become a commercially-driven operation.

            There are many factors that have contributed to the Internet’s rapid growth since the later 1980s, not the least of which has been political support for its privatization and continued support for research in advanced networking technology. No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President. Gore has been a clear champion of this effort, both in the councils of government and with the public at large.

            The Vice President deserves credit for his early recognition of high speed computing and communication and for his long-term and consistent articulation of the potential value of the Internet to American citizens and industry and, indeed, to the rest of the world.

          • hmastercylinder

            How very undemocratic of you.

          • Pam Dunn

            BEATS your ignorance and liberal butt kissing all to hell.

          • Pam Dunn

            It lets total morons like you spew your idiocy and pollute the internet.

          • richardjf

            Pollute the internet. Must need a tax to clean it up.
            You invented a possible tax.
            Now the politicians may create a tax for it.
            Not good, Bad Pammy, bad.
            lol

          • NoBlarney

            I do invent and create. I am a successful design engineer. Just because I’m conservative doesn’t make me an idiot like you.

          • model94

            How else is a “climate scientist” to make a living, after all.

          • CB

            “How else is a “climate scientist” to make a living, after all.”

            It’s difficult with neofascists cutting research budgets!

            If you understand the person who runs this propaganda site is actually paid by the fossil fuel industry to lie about the dangerous nature of their product, why would you believe a single word he says?

            Is it possible you’re that gullible?

            “Marc Morano is the executive director and chief correspondent of ClimateDepot.com, a project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT). Morano is also the Communications Director at CFACT, a conservative think-tank in Washington D.C. that has received funding from ExxonMobil, Chevron, as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars from foundations associated with Richard Mellon Scaife. According to 2011 IRS Forms, Morano was the highest paid staff member with a salary of $150,000 per year. Morano’s blog Climate Depot regularly publishes articles questioning man-made global warming.”

            http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano

          • SquidBonez

            Desmogblog? Really? That’s your “reliable” source?

            http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html?m=1

          • CB

            “Desmogblog? Really? That’s your “reliable” source?”

            Sure! Do you have information that Mr. Morano derives his income from some other source besides the fossil fuel industry?

            What source is that?

            “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities.”

            climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

          • SquidBonez

            “Sure! Do you have information that Mr. Morano derives his income from some other source besides the fossil fuel industry?”

            You must first provide a source (a reliable one) that confirms your original claim.

            “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities.”

            You know that many organizations, like NASA and NOAA, do not have a legitimate poll from all of their scientists to make such claims right? That action comes from the higher-ups (the people who run the organization). They sort of speak on behalf of all of their scientists. For example, a recent study that showed that 48% of the professional members of the American Meteorological Society said man IS NOT responsible for a large portion of the warming trend. However, the AMS still adopts the alarmist view on global warming, despite what almost half of their own scientists say.

            As for the 97% studies, view here:

            http://www.populartechnology.net/2014/12/all-97-consensus-studies-refuted-by.html

            http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

          • model94

            Take a chill pill. In the mist of the hyperventilating you missed the key point: these pseudo scientists MUST take the affirmative view of this BS. There is no viable way for them to earn money being objective. Falsifying data in an effort to prove a theory doesn’t work in any branch of real science. And thank you for mentioning the word fascism: name a single area of scientific research where dissenting views are not tolerated. Turn the brain stem on, man.

          • CB

            “these pseudo scientists MUST take the affirmative view of this BS.”

            …and why would you think that?

            The first person to prove humans warm the planet when we emit greenhouse gasses was someone named Eunice Foote, and she did so over a century ago.

            Is it likely she was engaging in pseudo-science and no one on Earth has noticed in all that time?

            “Overlooked by modern researchers is the work of Eunice Foote, who, three years prior to the start of Tyndall’s laboratory research, conducted similar experiments on absorption of radiant energy by atmospheric gases, such as CO₂ and water vapor. The presentation of her report at a major scientific convention in 1856 was accompanied by speculation that even modest increases in the concentration of CO₂ could result in significant atmospheric warming.”

            http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/2011/70092sorenson/ndx_sorenson.pdf

          • model94

            I think that because there is no funding available otherwise, and more importantly no reason for the work if the assumed outcome isn’t so. You are over-complicating the point.

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          • kendrick1

            Alchemists!

          • LA_FAN

            that’s funny. i guess you pray to god when you need heart surgery or antibiotics for an infection.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Kooks believe many kookie things.

          • HOT FROG

            When ever they do they get fired or eliminated.

          • David

            Guys this is so bad on so many levels, I dont even know where to start. When are we the people going to stand up and say no more? I know we keep putting it off but eventually the day will come. At this point it has to, if we as the human race are going to survive. I personally would rather get it over with. Like ripping a band aid. I do not know if I will survive but I will go down fighting. I would rather die on my feet than on my knees. This globalism has to stop NOW

          • sirlance

            Hard to be heard when the liberal media only reports one side. ..our whole country has been hijacked

          • richardjf

            That is sad how the liberal media does that. Most see Hilda as president already.
            They die if Trump is elected or any Republican. They will soon open up on all the republicans running especially Carson, Trump, an Cruz.

          • Dennis A Lee

            Obama has already put 8 trillion of out credit into it.

          • Maybe?

            It’s not the money, it’s control.

          • tnizzle

            In the world we live in, money = control.

          • Maybe?

            Money is just one of the tools of control. There are many. Religion, psychology, sociology and much more help them control. Money alone is absolutely worthless because it’s value in a fiat currency model is all based on perception.

            This perception is created both psychologically and sociological in nature. The real fuel used is a psychology of the human mind. It’s more commonly known as social engineering and what they are using is confusion and perceived authority to push their policy.

            They are basically hypnotizing the populaces of the world.

            Money, or a lack of money is just one of their many catalyst.

          • tnizzle

            Well said.

          • LA_FAN

            90+% of scientists agree that global warming is a man made problem. they are speaking up

          • tnizzle

            They need to speak louder and with real evidence, not data “adjusted” in their favor.

          • richardjf

            Hey how do we get in on it with the money.
            Cant but now wait an see all the climate tax being applied to cars, registrations, car sales, gas tax, drivers licenses, and whatever the government can strap us with.

          • MaroonVee

            They’ve already added a gas tax to mitigate global warming in CA last Jan. Sad.

          • Cycles – Happen

            And yet all of CA has warmed since last Jan? Go figure? hope it cools down for a least a couple of months maybe the money they have collected will provide enough funds to stop the warming till march. Then they’ll have to raise the tax or it will be in the 90’s by Aug.

          • Bill Ingram

            Have been reading about some new technologies which will convert us to a 100% electrical powered world in (?) the near future. This uses NO gasoline, oil. It used ONLY electromagnet fields which are ALL around us and is generated in the interior of the planet.

          • Smellmyfinger

            Only to discover (they already know) there isn’t a damn thing they can do to change naturally occurring phenomenon that’s played out over millions of years and now billions of $$$ into the hands of thieves!

          • RLABruce

            It isn’t just the money; Obama, Ayers, Gore and friends crave power, pure and simple. The money is just a means to that end.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Good for them. If you were smart you would have done the same.

            But naaa. You would rather whine about it.

          • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

            Hey, the zombie is back.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Wow, your Avatar pic is so gay.

          • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

            Meaning you jerked off to it.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            That didn’t occur to me actually.

            But I bet it was why you chose it as a representation of yourself.

          • MoreFreedom2

            “Ayers, Gore, Obama, and friends. They stand to make $$billions on this.”

            They already have, but they are greedy and want more.

          • Crusader Rabbit

            Don’t forget Soros and the scummy Kennedy Clan.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Don’t forget the moon men and the Bigfoot conspiracy.

          • historyguy48

            The estimate first year take in America is in excess of $1B and our Dear Leader is in for an 8% share.
            Not bad for doing what he usually does: lies his lips off.

          • twinspeedr

            Exactly. We should not pollute unnecessarily, but this is all theater. The crux being government seizing control of our lives and appropriating more of our property/wealth. Big money for “the few” in the near term, and a new long-term mandate/precedent that world governments should hold sway over other all sovereign nations, and more importantly that they should be able to tax at will to save us from the boogeyman that they created. But let’s not forget the fact that to them the best part of this is a giant new propaganda lever to control nearly anything they choose. They have already clearly demonstrated both these motives to the world even before they have a complete scientific model to prove of anything. That hasn’t stopped their well-meaning, but ignorant devotees from naively choosing to listen only to their lame, hollow “save the planet” refrains and ignore the fact that all these clowns are the same old human politicos with the same motives that their ilk have had since the dawn of civilization; Power & Wealth.

        • Jay Jay

          Sadly there are lots of brain dead zombies on this planet who will believe whatever they are told.

          • Bill Ingram

            Democrats. Right?

          • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

            They all fall under the Marxist banner.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            It is fun to watch you Republcan loons screaming nonsense as you cower under your beds.

            Suckers……………..

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Democrats, almost always right.

          • intheknow

            And what so pathetic is these morons jet set all around the world while dumping more CO2 than ever gets mentioned and the sheeple just stand around and applaud!!!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You got to spend some money to save some money.

        • DavidAppell

          Any carbon tax should be revenue neutral. Like in British Columbia.

          • MaroonVee

            Revenue neutral. How do they do that?

          • DILIGAF

            Revenue neutral taxes work like all other liberal ‘ideas’. It’s like ‘common sense gun laws’ the ‘Affordable Care Act’ and ‘peaceful Muslims’. Utopian wishes that exist only in an extremely warped mind and are visible only through rose colored glasses.

          • Bill Ingram

            I like your “Peaceful Muslims” reference. I lived in Turkey (2 years) and Saudi Arabia (2 years).
            I observed that the majority of Muslims are quiet and quite peaceful – BUT – put a bunch of them together and their rhetoric becomes extreme and very violent. Ever note that it is a MASS of demonstrators that make the news and not a “few” who stand and make noise about this or that?
            Terrorists are different. They lay low, slink into somewhere like Paris and then shoot unarmed innocent people who are just there to listen to the music.

          • DavidAppell

            By lowering other taxes, like income taxes, as the carbon tax increases.

          • AZfederalist

            You are taking money from somebody that would not otherwise be taken. For the people subject to that tax, isn’t anything “revenue neutral” about it.

          • Bill Ingram

            We have become accustomed to political knee jerk reaction to TAX anything that moves.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Borrow and spend Republicans have become accustomed to tax cuts that have created America’s current 19.5 trillion dollar national debt.

          • Jovet

            Obama has spent more money he doesn’t have than all the previous presidents combined. All illegally, without a proper budget as mandated by the Constitution, until just recently, too. And you truly have the gall to call Republicans the party of “borrow and spend”…? Wow. Sure, Republicans have their problems, but… wow.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You keep telling yourself that Kook Boy. One day, in some distant, alternate universe it might be true.

          • DavidAppell

            It is making polluters pay for their pollution. How can any sane person be against that??

          • DavidAppell

            BC has lowered their income taxes as more carbon taxes have come in. That’s “revenue neutral.”

          • Bill Ingram

            British Columbia tends to use logic instead of fear factors. Have friends up in that area and they are pretty cool and calm and don’t get to excited about stuff.

          • DavidAppell

            BC has a carbon tax that is revenue neutral, and working to cut emissions.

            So what’s the problem with doing that here in the US?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “revenue neutral”

            I agree, the revenue obtained from Carbon taxes should 100% go to temporarily subsidizing efficiency and sustainable forms of energy.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Sorry boy. But china too will be reducing emissions.

          You see.. China is much smarter than you are.

          • http://batman-news.com samanna

            …and you are the World-renowned Climate Scientist of Legend.
            nah, just another weak-minded liberal puke.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            We don’t have the text of the agreement yet but we do have….

            Premier Li Keqiang, who represented China at the summit, announced that the country will cut its CO2 emissions per unit of gross domestic product by 60-65% from 2005 levels. Moreover, China would increase its share of non-fossil fuels as part of its primary energy consumption to about 20% by 2030. 2030 is also the year by which China will aim to peak its emissions of CO­2 emissions.

            China plans to increase its installed capacity of wind power to 200 GW and solar power to around 100 GW, up from 95.81 GW and 28 GW today, respectively. It will also increase its use of natural gas which is expected to make up more than 10% of its primary energy consumption by 2020.

          • gmm777

            And you are believing this…and if they don’t ??? What then?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The government of China has been remarkably honest. I can’t say the same thing about Denialist pukes.

          • gmm777

            Remarkably honest in what direction. You are either uninformed or stupid.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            There is no direction to honesty. But there is always a direction for a lie.

            Since Denialists are congenital liars, it amuses me that you would conflate the truth with the properties of denial.,,

          • gmm777

            By having confidence in the truthfulness of the Communist Chinese Government indicates that you are a good candidate for buying swamp land in Florida. What a dope you are, very sad.

        • Truth Matters

          They are dolts.

        • Dark Side of the Moon

          How can we be so stupid?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “How can we be so stupid?” – Dark Side

            You are an ape with only slightly superior mental skills than a gorilla.

        • largejack

          The Pope talks about people starving if ‘we’ don’t take action on ‘climate change’ but he fails to address the consequences of the world if these psychopaths get their way controlling the climate and taking prosperity out of the hands of the many.

        • Dennis A Lee

          and it will never change so long as the “independent” cough, cough, press says so.

        • some guy

          2+2 is taught by teachers…..unfortunately we have indoctrinators.

        • MikeMarkCA

          And think of the money China will make from the interest we’ll pay them on the money we will borrow to give away. How enlightened and intelligent liberals are.

      • Atty Tude

        Tomas, you nailed it. All this global warming hysteria is nothing but the jokers who preach it getting hold our our money and controlling every aspect of our lives.

        • tg

          Amen, thanks for showing up and being another informed citizen who supports the truth. You’ve nailed it right on the head. plain and simple. it’s about control, domination and bankrupting humanity.

        • Sharp Shtik

          Leftists, by definition, believe themselves entitled by “right” to be free of other people’s rights, which is why leftists commit nearly all crime (depriving victims of their rights) and run government as organized criminals to deprive people of their rights. The only man made crisis we face is leftists. As with their other world wars, there is but one way to deal with leftists.

      • diggferkel

        I think the Global Warming scam was inspired by Hitler’s propaganda tactics.
        Hitler’s psychological profile:

        Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

      • DavidAppell

        The conference lead to emissions (300 kt) of less than what 20,000 Americans emit in a year.

        • JasonL77

          The conference lead to a proclamation of stupidity unequaled in human history.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Not according to the worlds scientists. They consider it an adequate first step.

            It must be very upsetting to you that everyone is laughing at you Deniliast Losers.

          • DavidAppell

            How is it “stupidity?” Explain.

        • AZfederalist

          … and you see nothing wrong with the fact that a few dozens of people in a period of less than two weeks emitted more than a reasonable size suburb does in one year?

          You are going to be one of those people, working the fields in a subsistence
          living seeing the elite traveling by cars before you go home to your unheated hovel at sunset saying, “but they need all those luxuries to make sure that we are cared for”.

          • Story

            It’s more like they do what they need to do no matter if they claim it’s destroying the planet to make sure we can’t do what they do because according to them when we do It, it REALLY is destroying the planet. And they smile, slap each other on the back and say “I’ll see you in a couple of years in our next exotic location.”

          • DavidAppell

            A few dozens of people? That’s a lie.

            Deniers don’t care about their own CO2 pollution, but love to call it out when they think it’s too their advantage. It’s a disgusting double standard.

        • Story

          So a couple hundred people at a two or three week conference emitted what it takes 20,000 Americans a year to emit…. And you think this is good???? What would they have emitted if they would have stayed home and used GoToMeeting?

          • DavidAppell

            I didn’t say it was good — I think it’s necessary. It’s how progress happens, and that couldn’t have been accomplished with a silly worldwide GoToMeeting.

            And it shows the double standard of deniers, who are just fine with their own CO2 pollution but call it out when they find it convenient.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          So about as much as a U.S. football game causes to be emitted.

      • Walter_Peterson

        “This is the standard routine,” Dr. Lindzen of MIT said. “You take money from poor
        people in rich countries and give it to rich kleptocrats in poor
        countries.”

      • Cornelius

        it seems if you know anything about those who advocate for saving us from global warming, you find two types of people——-
        1—very rich people with huge energy expenditures via travel and homesteads
        2—sheep like followers who need some mindless cause to try to create some meaning for their life

        • VendicarDecarian0

          You forgot to include the 99.5% of the worlds scientists who also advocate for saving us from global warming.

          • Cornelius

            I’ve never seen that…………..looks made up——I’m hearing too many free thinkers and weather scientists who admit it’s a scam

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You can go to perdu university and check the polling for yourself.

          • Cornelius

            don’t need to————polling has a history similar to gruberment and media—
            distortion, corruption, manipulation

          • VendicarDecarian0

            So…

            You won’t believe scientists

            You won’t believe the scientific press

            You won’t believe the “liberal” news media.

            You won’t believe a poll conducted by a reputable University.

            But you will believe someone on YouTube who has near zero education and
            usually can’t figure out how to add or subtract unless they have a calculator.

          • Cornelius

            not when there is taxpayer money for the liars to manipulate into their troughs

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I see. So in your view then the globe isn’t warming because your taxes are being poorly spent.

            Thank you for illustrating how greed has polluted your mind.

          • SquidBonez

            Listen, a lot of the things you said before were false…but…now you KNOW what you’re saying is false. The 97% consensus was shot down and completely destroyed, but the 99.5% consensus? Laughable!

            The following link provides peer-reviewed debunkings of multiple consensus studies:

            http://www.populartechnology.net/2014/12/all-97-consensus-studies-refuted-by.html

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Your Previous link to “popular feknologe” makes me laugh. It includes links to a TV show about Werewolves, UFO’s and Big Foot, as well as a movie staring Kim Cattrell – “Deadly Harvest”.

            There is stupid, and then there is denialist stupid.

          • SquidBonez

            Where does it say that exactly? Also, you are dodging the main point. I sent you links related to the argument, you’re talking about a completely different link that may not even exist or is taken out of context.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “Where does it say that exactly? ” – SquidBoy

            You didn’t even read your own link?

            Pathetic.

            Your link includes links to a TV show about Werewolves, UFO’s and Big Foot, as well as a movie staring Kim Cattrell – “Deadly Harvest”.

          • SquidBonez

            I’ve read and referenced that link a thousand times. Perhaps you’re seeing ads? I have ad-blocker, so I wouldn’t see them. Ads don’t reflect the website’s content, you know.

            The only links on the page are to other articles (all but a few referencing global warming, others about debunking 9/11 conspiracies and talking about technology), links to scientific papers, journals, and other articles.

            There is even a page that lists common arguments/smears on the site, one being:

            “Criticism: Popular Technology.net is a conspiracy theorist website.

            Rebuttal: This is a dishonest ad hominem as we have resources challenging 911, JFK and Moon Landing conspiracy theories.”

      • Bill Ingram

        As long as THEY control things – The hell with the facts. They will see and hear what they want to see and hear.
        If WE do anything, then WE are going to screw up their view of the world and how things (actually/probably) work.

        • NiCuCo

          It is the greatest conspiracy in the history of Man. Hundreds of scientific organizations, tens of thousands of papers, all wrong. All those scientists with their magic decoder rings and secret handshakes, going to hidden meetings to plan what doctored data to use next.

          Or, maybe it is just another branch of science which started in the 19th Century, with the work of Fourier, Tyndall and Arrhenius, before there was the UN, the NWO, the EPA, chemtrails, Obama, HAARP, Gore, Agenda 21, the Moon landing hoax and those who are after our precious bodily fluids.

          • Bill Ingram

            You got that right buba.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “It is the greatest conspiracy in the history of Man. Hundreds of scientific organizations, tens of thousands of papers, all wrong.” – NiCuCo

            And a giggle of denialist kooks with the equivalent of a 5th grade science education got it all right.

            Imagine that. It’s almost like it is from some kind of fairy tale land.

            Giggle……

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Here are some inconvenient truths for you Bill.

      • JohnGaltDurham

        Exactly, the most common “greenhouse gas” is Argon 9000-10000 parts per million vs Carbon Dioxide 300-400 parts per million. However Argon can not be blamed on humans and taxed and regulated. Even if these morons could in fact reduce Carbon Dioxide, if the reduce below 180 parts per million and the earth could no longer support plant life, game over dead planet. I wonder if this is what happened to Mars? LOL.

        • intheknow

          We can only hope that if they are able to reduce the CO2 to below 180 parts per million, they will be the only ones to go! This would be their punishment (our reward) for being so stupid!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Reductions to 180 PPMV will take 1000 years.

            That is why emission restrictions are essential. Once a problem has been created, it will persist for a long, long time.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Always wrong John claims that Argon is the most common “greenhouse gas”.

          In reality it is Water Vapor.

          Poor Kookie John. He just doesn’t live in the reality based community.

          • JohnGaltDurham

            So you are saying we should put legal controls on and fine people for the production of water vaporization? Since by your own admission water vapor is a much more prevalent greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            No. That would be meaningless, since the water content of the atmosphere is determined by air temperature and only on the availability of water over arid regions.

            Don’t you Denialists have rain on your home planet of Delusia?

          • JohnGaltDurham

            I am the denier after over 18 years of no warming and evidence of data tampering, the ice caps adding over 100 tons of ice, the list goes on. You idiots live in a state of denial, and actually to believe in global climate change requires a complete abandonment of scientific method for something called consensus. There is no formula that you can site that would allow me to correlate CO2 levels wit historic temperature readings, and as a matter of fact the warmest period we can locate historically through the study of tree rings was during the renaissance which predates the industrial revolution. Not to mention the zealots of global warming have this far been less accurate than medieval sorcerers.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Looks like there has been some surface warming to me.

            Why do you feel a need to lie about it?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “There is no formula that you can site that would allow me to correlate CO2 levels wit historic temperature reading.” – JohnGaltLiar

            Liar Liar.. Pants on fire.

            Here is the correlation shown graphically.

            My goodness you Libertarians are stupid.

          • JohnGaltDurham

            So you are saying that i can correlate CO2 to historical trends and derive what the temperature was at any given time in history. My what a breakthrough, too bad it falls flat on it’s face like most of the weather voodoo claims once tested. Explain the high temps during the renaissance for example. If you do not question the science and test the science and just believe it, it is no longer science it is a religion.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “So you are saying that i can correlate CO2 to historical trends and derive what the temperature was at any given time in history?”

            There are a large number of slowly evolving factors that influence global climate. Solar output, insolation, the positions of the continents.

          • JohnGaltDurham

            Exactly.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Oh, I think more CO2 is produced by an average U.S. Superbowl.

      • largejack

        We know and how do we stop them?

      • MeezaThinkin

        A gigantic lie they live, for sure.

      • AZTom

        .04 of 1% (400ppm) is a flyspeck, not a footprint. You eat more goverment approved rat feces and hair in your “all natural” heart healthy granola than there is CO2 to other gases in the atmosphere. Water vapor makes up 95% of ALL “hothouse gases” but the Climate Hoax Conference never spoke on word on it.

      • Maybe?

        I am not paying to enslave myself or my posterity. This is nothing but an attempt to tax humanity for existing. We exhale Co2 and they (Leaders) will use it to enslave the entirety of humanity.

        Now they will have a “Global Tax” to fund the UN as our world government. This is how they will legitimize it. There is no legit government that can’t level taxes on the populace or the people under that government. Carbon taxes will be the final catalyst for world domination by the few, enabling the UN to become the world government .

    • Zlurgh

      Socialism is based on the hope of a transcendent man….a stupid premise if there ever was one. Man does not and WILL not ever live outside of himself enough to make a world collective possible. Socialism is an unworkable theory COERCED upon populations by dreamers who have never been accountable to function in the REAL world.

      • joinamerica

        You are being too nice. The leaders are not dreamers. They are schemers, who acquire immense power and the wealth that always accompanies great power. Every single leader of the Democratic Party is not only a multi-millionaire, but has chosen to live an imperial lifestyle. They speak of socialism and income equality, but carefully avoid both for themselves and their own families. Total, self-serving, hypocrisy.

        • AZfederalist

          Because, as the arbiters of societal distribution, they deserve and need those perks because they labor endlessly for the greater good.

          /that, and there is no way they want to live like serfs — that’s why they have wealth and power.

        • Zlurgh

          I think they are both dreamers and schemers…and I fully acknowledge how corrupt the dream ALWAYS becomes. I was just pointing out that secular humanism, as practiced by world socialists, is a RELIGION just like any other wherein one has to believe in something intangible and un-provable. Socialists HAVE to ridicule belief in order to coerce socialism as an alternative. Judeo/Christianity is a DIRECT threat to the premise that man can transcend himself.

          The people at the top of EVERY power structure ought to be questioned. I’m pretty sure to be a fly on the wall among the leaders of ANY religious, political, or social group…one would fly away more cynical.

      • Atty Tude

        Thank you, Zlurgh. Sweet and simple. Can I borrow that?

      • Walter_Peterson

        Did Rand say that?

      • Story

        Apparently socialism is only “good” if you don’t like toilet paper and don’t need food. Looked what happened in once beautiful, thriving Venezuela.

        • Bill Ingram

          toilet paper – good subject.
          – ever try and wipe with a stick or a rock?
          In the 1800’s (and probably prior to that) men/women carried a ‘shit rag”
          They would wipe then rinse the rag. They would carry that rag for days, weeks or months until they could actually wash it properly. Can you imagine having to carry a ‘shit rag’ with you where ever you traveled?

          • Story

            Corn cobs were plentiful, disposable and bio-degradable. Those 19th century folks were green and didn’t know it!…

      • Bill Ingram

        Man works on the basis of what he (thinks) will benefit him.
        If future experience shows that his original observations and conclusion were wrong (or changed)
        Man will jump to another conclusion. Eventually he will get it right but how long will that take?

      • Coloradogirl

        So true. Doesn’t VendicanDecarianO sound like a sweet guy who would share what he has with you lol!

    • The Masked Avatar

      Riechstag Fire

    • Atty Tude

      It isn’t when you consider that global warming is all about power and control. Governments crave those things.

    • Sanford Thorson

      The power of the liberal press and the indoctrination of our youth by liberal academia for last 20 years.

    • MrLA

      It’s so ironic that I just finished watching the great documentary “Stop at Nothing: The Lance Armstrong Story,” about another tale of staggering fraud that people refused to see. Regarding this “climate deal” however, I think the climate hoaxers may have screwed themselves. After demanding that we “had to do something to save the planet”, they have what amounts to small potatoes, leaving them in the position where a ‘moving of the goalposts’ will be needed for further shakedowns.

    • tnizzle

      What is really disturbing is how this “science” they always talk about being “settled” is not even science at all. It’s speculation based on computer models. They can’t reproduce anything – a key factor in real science. Hypothesis? The earth is warming. Next step? Develop TESTABLE predictions. They test with computer models that have already been proven inaccurate and falsified (NOAA altering data). Next – gather data to test the predictions. Since NOAA is altering data, it’s obvious that their predictions are incorrect. Their “settled science” is way far off base from being real science, and those crooks that make these claims should swallow their tongues and admit they’re wrong.

      • tg

        When there’s trillions to be made – Not billions – there will always be evidence they can produce to support their claim. No matter how convincing, or how many people they assisinate who disrupts the plot/narrative, they WILL find a way to make the masses only beleive what they have to say, while covering up the evidence they created to come to their conclusions and stances on this issue.

      • NiCuCo

        “Are the models, in fact, untestable? Are they unable to make valid predictions?”

        “Let’s review the record. Global Climate Models have successfully predicted:

        That the globe would warm, and about how fast, and about how much.
        That the troposphere would warm and the stratosphere would cool.
        That nighttime temperatures would increase more than daytime temperatures.
        That winter temperatures would increase more than summer temperatures.
        Polar amplification (greater temperature increase as you move toward the poles).
        That the Arctic would warm faster than the Antarctic.
        The magnitude (0.3 K) and duration (two years) of the cooling from the Mt. Pinatubo eruption.
        They made a retrodiction for Last Glacial Maximum sea surface temperatures which was inconsistent with the paleo evidence, and better paleo evidence showed the models were right.
        They predicted a trend significantly different and differently signed from UAH satellite temperatures, and then a bug was found in the satellite data.
        The amount of water vapor feedback due to ENSO.
        The response of southern ocean winds to the ozone hole.
        The expansion of the Hadley cells.
        The poleward movement of storm tracks.
        The rising of the troposphere and the effective radiating altitude.
        The clear sky super greenhouse effect from increased water vapor in the tropics.
        The near constancy of relative humidity on global average.
        That coastal upwelling of ocean water would increase.

        “Seventeen correct predictions? Looks like a pretty good track record to me.

        “Are there problems with the models, and areas where they haven’t gotten it right yet? Sure there are. The double Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone which shows up in some coupled models, ENSO variability, insufficiently sensitive sea ice, diurnal cycles of moist convection, and the exact response of climate to clouds are all areas of ongoing research. But the models are still the best thing we have for climate prediction under different scenarios, and there is no reason at all to think they’re getting the overall picture wrong.”

        References to the prediction articles and to the confirmation articles are in the complete Web page from which I took the predictions above.

        http://bartonpaullevenson.com/ModelsReliable.html

    • Jay Jay

      It’s far from amazing. These so called leaders are fully aware that man made global warming is BS. This global warming scheme is nothing more than a money grab. Just another way to transfer our money it their pockets.

      • tg

        “GLobal warming” —-> Carbon Tax—–> Trilions upon tillions of dollars sent to the collaborators of this conspiracy hoax, which completely bipasses and ignores the greatest countries creating ecodisasters – CHina and India.
        Global warming is NOT global pollution. No one is talking about that. IF the powers in control of the world turned onto global pollution as the agenda and the REAL source of the issue, there would be a world-wide consensus on this. But that;s way too logical and easy to understand. They want to stick by something much more complex, and easy to lie about. this idea that WE- man- are making this planet hotter, when all the historical evidence shows, indisputably that the world has ALWAYS fluctuated in time it’s temperatures, and has ice ages and droughts, as a continuous cycle. non stop. over and over and over again. FAct. indisputable.

        But to fool all the idiots in the world thinking that if we ALL pay up/ lose our money and be made to take away out ways of life, that we would somehow stop this occurance of nature is fukcing criminal treason, and these people need to be hung in front of the world stage. Including OUR politicians, Those associated with the UN and others for going along and conspiring with it.

    • lloryck

      Follow the money… Guess who’s gonna pay? Us as in U.S.!

      • tg

        Fukc That. I’m not paying shit. They’ll have to serve me in person to get any money out of my hands and everyone elses I know. I’ll be waiting when some chrony shows up on the govt payroll to my door telling me I didn’t file/pay my global carbon taxes last year.

    • markllar

      It isn’t amazing at all. It is the perfect hoax for the socialist agenda. It is a “problem” that only vast amount of money can “cure”. The “cure” negatively impacts everything the American way of life holds dear. There can never be any proof one way or the other if these idiotic policies work or not. The data can be fiddled by bribing “scientists” to keep the gravy-train rolling indefinitely. Meanwhile, real pollution problems with well defined monitoring metrics are just ignored. This is no more amazing than the fact Obama was twice elected to office. TRUMP 2016 – the last hope of ending the slide to full-on socialism and a violent civil war.

    • DavidAppell

      You comment is the actual hoax.

    • Adam Smith

      Actually, it’s completely predictable. Global warming is allegedly produced by CO2, which is produced by just about everything on the planet. To control CO2, governments must have the ability to control everything. Well, this is just tailor made for politicians!

      • DavidAppell

        The US has had a cap-and-trade program for over 20 years. How has that “controlled” you?

        • Fergation

          David just stop. You are not around your little stoner buddies. No one here thinks your smart. Especially now that you have commented

          • DavidAppell

            You can’t say how it has enslaved you. Just as I expected.

          • Fergation

            Okay David I’ll play. What is this supposed cape and trade legislation that we have been living under for 20 years? Why would these greenies be proposing cap and trade legislation if it already exists?

          • DavidAppell

            You don’t even know of this CnT program! How can that be, if it has been controlling and enslaving you for all these years?

          • Fergation

            Why is it that liberals can not be honest? Is it because facts don’t fit your theories? Is it because liberals are all about emotions whether they help or not? I ask you a question? Funny how there is no answer

          • DavidAppell

            Why is it conservatives can’t understand science, and at least read the news? This program was signed by a Republican president, after all. (As was the Montreal Protocol.)

          • JS

            Looking at your profile I would have too guess you work in the global fraud industries in some capacity.

          • DavidAppell

            Your guess is wrong.

          • richardjf

            Explain why polar bears are afraid of icebergs an why they dont know how to swim.

          • DavidAppell

            This has zero to do with climate change.

          • DavidAppell

            Wrong:

            “Polar bears are strong swimmers; they swim across bays or wide leads without hesitation. They can swim for several hours at a time over long distances. They’ve been tracked swimming continuously for 100 km (62 mi.).”

            https://seaworld.org/animal-info/animal-infobooks/polar-bears/adaptations/

          • AZfederalist

            It is because many of us understand science that we shake our heads at this fraud being perpetrated.

          • DavidAppell

            Global warming is an elementary consequence of the laws of physics. So, no, you do not understand the science, in fact.

          • Anddrew

            The man made global warming proposition, is a hypothesis, not scientific fact, being based on computer modelling, using selected massaged, homogenized, or altered data, rather than irrefutable proven observations, to advance the argument of of anthropocentric climate change. To make matters worse any peer reviews of the scientific arguments for climate change have been far from rigorous, if there were any at all.

          • DavidAppell

            No, it’s based on two very basic laws of physics: that CO2 absorbs IR, and that the Earth emits it. Just that alone is enough to tell you global warming needs to be happening right now.

            To get the details, yes, you need models, because the physics is far too complicated to calculate by hand, especially due to the absorption and emissions spectrum of CO2 in the infrared.

            I highly doubt you’re qualifed to make judgements about the quality of peer review.

          • Anddrew

            Awe the gullible global warm….er climate change apologist speaks his oft repeated propaganda. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Any peer reviews of the scientific arguments for climate change have been far from rigorous, if there were any at all.

          • DavidAppell

            Going straight for claims of “propaganda” shows you can’t even talk about the science.

            Have you ever taken any courses in quantum physics? At least an introduction?

          • Anddrew

            The propaganda claim has to do with the contents of your diqus account and not the single comment. NO ONE is refuting the fact that CO2 is being added by industrial behavior. The dispute would seem to be over the alleged fudged temperature data, and also whether the actual numbers fall within the confines of the margin of error.

          • DavidAppell

            What evidence do you have that any temperature data are “fudged?”

          • Anddrew
          • DavidAppell

            There are articles from highly ideological sources. Not “evidence.”

            Cite the scientific literature, not ideologues who agree with you while not understanding the science. I bet you can’t.

          • Anddrew

            So if you don’t agree , it’s not evidence. Ok got it.

          • DavidAppell

            These are not scientific papers, they are organizations trying to promote their ideology.

            Surely you can see the difference, right?

          • DavidAppell

            Do you ever try to read news sources that aren’t OBVIOUSLY biased?

            If so, who?

          • DavidAppell

            Why would you ever think the Daily Caller or Climate Depot is giving you unbiased information about climate change??

            That’d be like me taking my climate science from the Huffington Post or Mother Jones. Which I’d never do — because I recognize their biases.

          • DavidAppell

            Evidence comes from science, not biased blogs. You should expand your reading circle.

          • Anddrew

            I–said–I–got–it–David. I know –exactly–where–you’re–coming–from– David.
            You’re frantic propaganda posting awaits you David. Don’t let me hold you up.

          • richardjf

            Well tell us.

          • DavidAppell

            Go look it up for yourself. Learn something.

          • richardjf

            Were waiting for your reply. LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            SPEECHLESS NOW????????? WHY?

          • DavidAppell

            Can’t learn for yourself? No wonder you don’t know climate science….

        • jamesben

          Be specific: do you mean California’s lunatic cap & trade or some other cap & trade system? Do you mean patents held by the Chicago group or what?
          What cap & trade program?

          • DavidAppell

            You don’t even know about this program….. Yet so many here think carbon reductions will enslave them and control their lives. That’s totally false.

          • jamesben

            In other words, you’re full of bullsh*t. Got it.

          • Fergation

            Yes he is.

          • ounceoflogic

            Hey David. Rather than drone on about how stupid we all are why don’t you enlighten us. A chance to convert some with your brilliance should not be passed up. I look forward to your presentation. Now will you back up your assertion or will you just keep re-pasting it?

          • DavidAppell

            First I like demonstrating how little the people here actually know about what they think is going to ruin their lives.

          • ounceoflogic

            You are not demonstrating anything. You asked a question 10? times and no one has answered. Either this Cap and Trade doesn’t exist or no one here (except for you) knows about it. Move on to phase two… Teach Us.

          • DavidAppell

            This cap-and-trade program has existed since 1989 — and you don’t even know of it!! Yet I’m sure you would claim it’s ruining your life and degrading the economy and enslaving you and jack-booted thugs, and all that.

          • ounceoflogic

            Bye Dave. Thanks for all the info.

          • jamesben

            So, beyond empty words, you have nothing, reich? I thought so.

          • DavidAppell

            I have lots of information. Just admit you have no clue, and I’ll share it with you.

          • Smellmyfinger

            your a Musloon!

          • DavidAppell

            I think my strategy worked.

          • JS

            I guess you don’t mind giving up your money to fraudulent schemes.

          • jas

            Lol. He probably lives off welfare or at best some useless program like the Gruber Social Outreach or something.

          • DavidAppell

            Why do you object to paying the cleanup costs of your pollution?

            Who taught you you could use the rest of the world as your personal garbage dump?

          • Smellmyfinger

            The sky is falling the sky is falling! Run for your lives lions tiger and bear Oh My! Girl Boys always fallow silly girl men!

          • DavidAppell

            Is this the best you can do?

          • CaycePryhs

            Congress killed cap and trade moron..

          • DavidAppell

            It’s not CO2 cap-and-trade, moron. The cap-and-trade program I’m talking about is for SO2 and N2O, signed by GHW Bush. It’s worked too, cutting emissions of these pollutants in half.

            And you haven’t even noticed, I bet. So much for all this “controlling” your life and enslaving you. Poppycock.

            Earlier Reagan instituted a cap-and-trade program to get rid of leaded gasoline.

          • Bill Ingram

            Crap and Trade is how the BIG BOYS take control. The get in first then shut down others from competing with them.

          • NiCuCo

            I presume that David means the cap and trade system for ozone-depleting chemicals.

        • JS

          Please show us all the trees that have been planted with the cap and trade money!! Please show us where all the money has been spent that has been collected. Wait you can’t because it is all in Algorenstiens pocket or some other blubbering idiot politicians pocket. Explain how selling carbon emission allowance does anything at stopping climate change. How does it do any good to let a company keep right on polluting but it is okay because they paid someone some money to allow them to keep polluting. It is the biggest fraud and hoax ever played on people by any government.

          • richardjf

            UN head Moon an his son had their hands in money from Sadamn oil sent to the UN to regulate. Why he is still at the UN (moon) is beyond me.

          • DavidAppell

            The cap-and-trade program I’m referring has nothing to do with carbon dioxide.

            And you don’t even know this program exists!!!

          • JS

            I know all about the phony fraudulent cap and trade schemes.

          • DavidAppell

            What is “fraudulent” about a cap-and-trade program? It was invented by Republicans, as a market-based solution for pollution problems….

        • jas

          Guess what, my regressive friend. When a portion of my life is spent working because I have to pay for some political scam, against my will, that is called slavery, by definition. So tell me again how you don’t have an effing clue what you are talking about.

          • DavidAppell

            You seem to object paying for your own pollution.

            If you don’t pay for its consequences and cleanup, who should?

            Don’t be an immoral cheapskate.

          • jas

            Lol. You leftist government cuksuckers don’t even want to pay for your own contraceptives and you’re going to tell me I’m cheap? Run along, Gruberite, Al Gore doesn’t need you to suck him off any more.

          • DavidAppell

            Yes, you’re cheap. Didn’t your mother teach you to clean up after yourself?

        • AZfederalist

          If you are referring to the emission reduction programs — it has raised my energy bills needlessly, has bankrupted the coal industry, has led to roaming brownouts during peak energy usage and has restricted what many businesses have been able to do.

          You are quite the apologist for the statists, I’ll give you that.

          • DavidAppell

            No, I’m not referring to CO2 emissions reductions programs.

            Wanna try again to guess the cap-and-trade GHW Bush signed a quarter of a century ago? And the one Reagan signed before that?

          • DavidAppell

            “You are quite the apologist for the statists, I’ll give you that.”

            Do you think you have a right to pollute without paying for its cleanup?

        • Bill Ingram

          Oh yes. I’m still quaking in my boots over cap and trade – – – (NOT)..!

          • DavidAppell

            So there’s been a cap-and-trade program for nearly a quarter of a century, and you haven’t even noticed it.

            I rest my case.

    • ConcernedCitizen

      it is not a hoax, it is a scheme those people in high places dreamed up to enslave all of us

      • DavidAppell

        We’ve had a cap-and-trade program for over 20 years in the US. How has it “enslaved” you?

        • ConcernedCitizen

          We have never had taxing authority of the UN…this treaty is the start of it. It is the noose to hang us all. Taxation without representation. Please do not reply to me and be so obtuse.

          None of this will matter though as this has slim chance to be ratified by congress, and Obama will soon be gone. Plus this treaty doesn’t even do anything until 2020, so there is plenty of time for a new president to undo any Executive Order Obama tries to sign because he doesn’t get his way.

          • DavidAppell

            There is no UN taxing authority coming to the US. But we’e had a cap-and-trade program since George HW Bush, and most people here don’t seem to even be aware of it.

          • ConcernedCitizen

            Sorry but you are wrong. What you do refer to had no teeth and everything ‘like it’ was just epa regulations. Now they did try to pass such a scheme, but it never passed. Here is my proof below. You have a nice day now!

            The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (ACES) was an energy bill in the 111th United States Congress (H.R. 2454) that would have established a variant of an emissions trading plan similar to the European Union Emission Trading Scheme. The bill was approved by the House of Representatives on June 26, 2009 by a vote of 219-212, but was never brought to the floor of the Senate for discussion or a vote.[1][2]

            The House passage of the bill was the “first time either house of
            Congress had approved a bill meant to curb the heat-trapping gases
            scientists have linked to climate change.”[3]

          • DavidAppell

            Sorry, I’m right. George H W Bush signed a cap-and-trade program in 1989. Reagan approved one in the 1980s.

          • Steven Palmer

            concerned citizen=community organizer zombie=do gooder=commie socialist- wackjob

          • DavidAppell

            So GHW Bush was a commie socialist wackjob for approving a cap-and-trade program? And so was Reagan?

          • ConcernedCitizen

            Nope, the 1990 Clean Air Act did not give the EPA the authority to make such a program. Now this is up for debate if you actually research this act and not just read off some talking point off a liberal rag somewhere.

            Notice I actually point to actual Acts, and you provide vague statements?

          • DavidAppell

            Wrong. The cap-and-trade I’m referring to is not about CO2.

            And the Supreme Court rules in 2007 (Mass. v EPA) that the EPA *does* have the authority to regulate CO2 under the Clean Air Act amendments.

          • ConcernedCitizen

            well none of this matters as it didn’t happen, and the agreement just made is non-binding, so it is all a joke.

          • DavidAppell

            It certainly happened. GHW Bush’s cap-and-trade program has been in place since 1989. It is binding law in the U.S.

          • ConcernedCitizen

            someone please tell al gore so he can recoup all his money he has invested in the cap-and-trade schemes over the years. he was to make billion on a ‘real’ system that he never got

          • DavidAppell

            The GHW Bush cap-and-trade program isn’t for CO2. So it has nothing to do with carbon trading.

          • richardjf

            Yes an if the UN gets this, next will be our 2nd amendment rights.
            When Trump becomes president he will use his pen to undo a lot of o so called privileges.

        • richardjf

          Dave go home an play with your pud. Its called cap an slave program!

          • Smellmyfinger

            Don’t encourage him he’s got a mouth full right now! his little brothers

          • DavidAppell

            You don’t know this 20+ year cap-and-trade program, do you?

      • richardjf

        Yes at its conception was by the one an only x vp or sore loser, Foul Gore.

    • BurmaShave2

      The Global Warming issue extremely attractive to high placed Big Government elites because it promotes and justifies governmental involvement in many aspects of society for a very long time with essentially no way of measuring accountability; AND it deflects attention from the much more immediate and potentially disastrous matter of governmental debt, which high placed Big Government elites have absolutely NO intention of doing ANYTHING about.

      • stevepidge

        Owe quadrillions of dollars?Just tax the world for breathing and call it a day.

    • devnullzzz

      And sadly, once again, the pope and the catholic church find themselves united with the “science deniers” that believe it is “settled science” that man can control naturally occurring climate change.
      Last time they threw Galileo In prison for daring to “deny” the “settled science” that the earth was at the center of the “universe”, and did not rotate around the sun.
      Again, they (and many science deniers and political hacks) threaten those who claim man cannot change naturally occurring climate change with the loss of their jobs, prosecution via the RICO act, and public persecution.
      Just be the very nature of their staunch position that their specious models and ridiculous assumptions are “settled and proven” and no scientific analysis or peer reviewed studies showing the truth must be rejected on faith proves that they are NOT real scientists, and are simply pushing a political agenda and keeping the cash coming in to continue perpetrating the non scientific hoax that man can control the climate.
      They call those who deny that man can change the weather and naturally occurring climate change “climate change deniers”, when in fact, it is they that are the “climate change deniers”. They deny the fact that there is nothing man can do to change naturally occurring climate change, and act as if it weren’t for man, the climate would be static and unchanging, which is patently absurd.
      What a strange world we live in today. A sick, perverted twisted ideology that has laid waste to our republic and the world, and has perverted science into a huge Ponzi scheme.

      • Bill Ingram

        People fear what they Don’t know and what is worse is that they are to lazy to LEARN.

    • Bill Ingram

      Precisely. That is what SOCIALIST do. They react to information and do not consider the context of that information.
      If they see a bear they think that the world has all of a sudden had an influx of millions/billions of bears which are out to eat them.

      • AZfederalist

        Socialism, communism are just words and approaches. These people are totalitarians and seek control over people, not a specific system. Any means by which to gain that control is A-OK as far as they are concerned — the real goal is control by whatever means the serfs peasants people will accept

        • Bill Ingram

          Control or Status Quo? Some just fear change – others fear ideas because that indicates change.
          Deamon-crats fear their own shadows, your shadow – etc……………….

    • Slugger_McBuster

      The hoax is attractive to the corrupted oligarchs because it presents a convenient vehicle for massive power-consolidation and money-funneling.

      • Bill Ingram

        Bingo – Ju B rite on de mark

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Even more amazing how silly people can continue to call a scientific reality a hoax.

      The Denialists are people are spectacularly stupid and easily duped.

    • seanhellier

      Yeah, tens of thousands of scientists are all in a conspiracy to convince the world’s people that the climate is changing faster than living things are able to adapt.

      Now tell me again why so many scientists would agree to engage in such a gigantic fraud? Because they want to destroy the oil industry? Because they hate America? Because they’re really daemons from Hell? Because they’re obamabots? They’re working with ISIS?

      I bet if you had been on the Titanic, you would have refused to get into a lifeboat.

    • AntiLeftist

      Exactly. This is the “shelter
      in place” style of government management.
      They create a crisis and then expect you become immobilized while they
      fix it — all the while taxing you out the wazoo to beef up their bureaucracy . It’s funny how they (the collectivists) never
      seem to be affected by the various crises that you (the individual) are
      required to solve with your tax dollars.
      Like Jihadis shooting up your neighborhood (requires gun control) or some
      illiterate fool on welfare with six kids who thinks government McNuggets are a
      civil right (requires more food stamps).

    • oracle2world

      It delivers for a few. For two weeks in Paris and a private jet, I think you could play along. LOL

    • Crusader Rabbit

      The truth is not the point. This fraud is the fastest path to enrich the elite overlords and enslave the stupid and willing class. The generally-useless pipe-puffing PhDs hope to peck at the dribbling crumbs as their reward.

    • Red Eric

      The people in”high” places know exactly what they are doing. It is not saving the planet. And it is Progressivism not Socialism. Progressivism works, but it is brutal. Progressives are eugenicists. They will eliminate the non-productives among us. If you control CO2 you control everything. Your house is to big. You live to far away from work. In progressivism everyone works, because non-productives have been eliminated.

    • Pat Boyle

      There is a precedent you know. Look up Piltdown Man. To this day no one knows who was behind this huge long lasting hoax, although many suspect Arthur Conon Doyle the creator of Sherlock Holmes.

    • Constitutional Reconvention

      I want to see the emails on the 2015 Climate fiasco in Paris. This one stinks bad. The AP and NY Times are praising the French and all of the negotiators. Bologna. This agreement will go down in history as a huge sham. I doubt it will take 5 years.

    • elizabethrc

      Don’t forget that part of the grand design of this ‘summit’ includes ‘funding’ for hell hole countries which can never do what is necessary to get themselves (notice I said the word, themselves) out of their self-created poverty.
      There is always money at the heart of so many of these global conferences. Who is one of the largest financial benefactors of this scam? Al Gore. Look at how much he’s made (I cannot say earned) off of this thing. It’s obscene. Then again, so is Mr. Gore. I guess I’m old fashioned but I tend to respect as heroes the people who have created systems which benefit us without thinking dollar signs.

    • largejack

      Wrong, it’s designed by people in high places.

    • MeezaThinkin

      Actually, I think it is the human nature of the weak to seek their refuge in the masses and the human nature of the diabolical to seek the leadership of them.

    • Maus

      So… since this applies to CLIMATE CHANGE, and not exclusively to “warming”, when do the Lefties realize that we’re growing cooler and start trying to warm the planet, again? Will they tear down windmills and get rid of unicorns and rainbows, in favor of coal plants? Will electric cars be parked and SUVs be mandated as the only acceptable form of transportation?

      These people are so short-sighted, they never look past their own faces.

    • MrToad21

      It’s the perfect cause! Broken down to it’s base so even the least educated person in the Maldives can understand.

      A: For “saving” the planet.
      B: Against “saving” the planet.

      If you answer A then you can’t complain when it’s time to pay up. If you answer B you will be openly ridiculed until you go along with answer A.

      It’s the perfect totalitarian play.

    • Scott Mick

      agree, But What amazes me is they used “global warming” nonsense to coral these poor, ignorant people into socialism. I mean that’s the best they could come up with and people still feel the need to follow. The world is just chock full of people that want the government to control their lives.

    • carl6352

      it’s not amazing it is a means to a end. you think obama or all these other toads feel anything for these poor countries there main plan is to do a way with one country rule and set up a world government. one government runs the whole world. that has been the plan of this flat earth science since the begining

    • TED from Boston

      Well said John,

    • Norwegianbear

      Not really when you consider the dumbing down and indoctrination that has taken place within western education over the last 30-40 years. These young adults do really believe earth is suffocating and drowning in co2 and rising tides. They don’t understand science, so proof does not matter. One dying polar bear is just one dying polar bear too many. The older guard like Albert Gore orchestrated the whole theater to line their own pockets, pure and simple, the left joined the band wagon to kill capitalism and personal freedom, and it’s working.

    • George

      Take away the piles and piles of money these scare-mongering loons could make off “climate change/global warming/global cooling”, they wouldn’t give a rats azz about the climate.

    • Suprememayo

      They know what it is. It will make their backers wealthier, the poor even poorer, and give them even more control over the populace. It has very little to do with climate change.

    • JoeThePimpernel

      The idea that self-serving politicians and soulless bureaucrats can change Earth’s climate to some mythical natural state by confiscatory taxes and onerous regulation would be laughable if it weren’t so terrifyingly totalitarian-fascist.

      Never mind the fact that computer models that you tweak to give the result you want are not science, and computer models are all they’ve got.

    • Drew

      Save the Planet by Manufacturing in North America.

      If CO2 is such problem… Please do tell why our progressive elites were allowed to move much of North America’s highly environmentally regulated and responsible manufacturing to unregulated China without a tariff penalty by our so called “green” governments? Killing jobs and compounding the environmental problems they profess they want to solve.

      That said, climate change, we now realize is more about wealth distribution than climate.

    • DrBobNM

      its for a purpose unrelated to climate

    • erneba

      I will not vote for anyone or any political party that supports this hoax.

    • Denis Ables

      This scam definitely becomes the posterboy in the next version of that book entitled “The Madness of crowds….”

    • Putin on the Ritz

      This hoax allows them to tax the air we breath. Of coarse they’re interested in it.

  • Skeptic

    It’s a Religion….

    Of course it’s not going to go away….

    ….until the Delusional Meme has brainwashed every human being on Earth….

    That’s what Religion is….

    It isn’t satisfied until it Infects everyone…..

    Then it mutates……and the Infection process starts all over again….

    Like when Global Cooling turned to Global Warming…..

    It’ll never End….

    The Left has lost their Traditional Religious Faith………this is the Replacement…..

    Inquisitions, Heretics, Sin, Guilt, Dogma, Apostates, etc…….just like the Old Religions…..

  • Bluto Rules

    Yay, weeee!!!!!

  • Skeptic

    The Era of Fossil Fuels IS NOT over….

    Ha!!

    Only a completely delusional fool would thinks such a dumb thing….

    Obama is almost done…..

    ….and the Era of the Reign of the Church of Global Warming…..

    …is almost over…..

    We’ll continue to burn Fossil Fuels for Centuries…..

    • Political Hostage

      We burned wood for thousands of years, coal and oil for a hundred. With the speed of discovery of new technologies, we’ll be burning something else within the next few decades. The social engineers aren’t smart enough, or they’re just taking advantage of the fallacy of GW. Once the adults are back in charge, we’ll deal with those people.

  • anon

    science deniers are worthless embarrassment to white society

    • Skeptic

      I have three degrees in Science….

      You were saying?

      • anon

        what is your name ?

        let me validate them

        • Bluto Rules

          Oh, I have been derelict, you need a name: “AFelch”.

        • Skeptic

          What is your name?

          I’ll refer you to the Clinic for Cult Liberation…..

    • IB91

      You’re taking about the “science” from…. Where? NOAA, who got caught manipulating data to meet the green agenda? Obama’s website that falsely claims that a huge majority of scientists agree that climate change is man made, even though they started with over 1200 scientists and the number that agreed with the whole agenda ended at 75? Is that the “science” you’re referring to? Or are you referring to the same kind of science that teaches the theory of evolution ad a “known fact” now?

  • Just Empty Every Pocket

    HAHA! Good one! Of course it’s not going away, especially once they get a taste of all that “climate money”.

    Besides Barry’s presidential eligibility, globull warming is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

    • Political Hostage

      It was AL Gore’s idea.

  • Skeptic

    Science IS NOT…..

    …Neurotic and Panicked Doomsday Armageddon Nature Worship……

    ….based on the Mentally Ill Fear…..

    ….of CO2……

    …Plant Food…..

    Ha!!

    CO2 is the Most Important Molecule on Earth for Sustaining the Biosphere…..

    That’s Science……

  • anon

    RIGHT WING

    white fat ugly bitter old men

    WRONG AGAIN

    a big embarrassment to white society with their racism and illusions of religion, their denial of science and love of guns

    • Bluto Rules

      You do dumbcunt, so well.

  • Bluto Rules

    AFelch is just another OFA paid shill loser.

    • anon

      a big conspiracy ?

      WRONG AGAIN

      • Bluto Rules

        Swallow this tubesteak whole, AFelch.

  • Crocodile9

    Delusional leaders and media?

    Diversity: Failure to assimilate, or selective segregation.
    Multiculturalism: Cultural enrichment through national suicide.
    Progressivism: Progress through perversity.
    Tolerance: Welcoming your adversaries with open arms and unlimited welfare.
    Political correctness: Fools trying to convince each other of their moral superiority through the absurd misuse of our language. (English, that is).
    Liberalism: The philosophy of self-loathing, grasping, snivelling brats.
    Settled science: Propaganda.
    AGW alarmists: Those that denounce “climate deniers” while denying that global climate was much warmer at about 2,000 and 4,000 years ago as evidenced by the spruce forest being exposed as the Mendenhall Glacier recedes.

    • anon

      a big conspiracy ?

      YOU DELUDED FAKE

      • Bluto Rules

        AFelch loves manass.

    • Political Hostage

      Hell, it was provably much warmer during the middle ages.

  • canbearava

    It’s pretty obvious to anyone that the climate change hoax was perpetrated because there’s a pervasive redistributive ideology throughout the world that is running out of money. How do they get more money? Simple. Create taxes and penalties literally out of thin air. Tax those big companies – that’ll show them! What do big companies do? Pass it all on to the consumers. That’s what those useful morons on the left will never understand.

  • spider

    I think taking all the idiots that believe in global warming, and launching them all into outer space, where it is deadly cold, should eliminate all the global warming due to all the blowhards about global warming, no longer bloviating on the planet.

  • Joshua Logan

    If man made global climate change is the greatest threat to humanity, and we’re on the brink of no return, why is implementation being pushed off until 2020 ? Shouldn’t we just stop all use of fossil fuels immediately? Sure, food production will dramatically decrease. Sure, harvesting, storage, and distribution of foodstuffs will become exponentially more difficult. Sure, hundreds of millions, if not billions, of human beings will die as a result. But isn’t it worth it to prevent one tenth of one degree centigrade rise in the global temperature over the next 100 years?

  • anon

    http://www.dailymotion.COM/video/x1kaci9_bbc-horizon-2011-science-under-attack-pdtv-xvid_tech

    Beijing and Delhi are about 30 times more polluted than the highest levels

    the vast pollution every day pumped out by the results of human greed and ignorance WILL destabalize the planet’s ecosystem

    it’s proven

    SO GO BACK TO FUCKING SLEEP RIGHT WING LOSERS………………..

    society doesn’t need your toxic abuse

    • Bluto Rules

      Yup, more re-typed talking points from the OFA link. You did really well, my little AFelch. Here is a lollipop for you.

    • DAMION

      calm down skippy. Yeah Bejing is under smog and should be cleaned up, but that does not mean it’s changing the course of Global climate…that’s a farce

    • Obama Mama

      ↑↑↑ Is there any wonder why people say liberals are insane?

    • DAMION

      now you’re a troll and a silly one

    • Political Hostage

      Alright. Time to flag the troll.

    • GD in VA

      What I get from your comment is that China and India need to be more like the US and the West. Our cities aren’t like Beijing or Delhi, they’re much, much cleaner. If that’s the case, why are you and your ilk pushing so much on Western governments when they don’t have any of the dirtiest cities in the world. In fact, by comparison, our cities are very, very clean.

      As for your toxic comment, well, as an adult I just have to say tsk, tsk and shake my head knowingly.

  • anon
    • Skeptic

      Calm down, Beavis……

      Science is Fine……except for Government Funded Climatology……

      That’s pretty corrupt….

      • anon

        try an education first

        • Skeptic

          Try some psych meds first, Peevy…..

  • Tomas Cruz

    One indisputable fact, the champions of the planet left the mother of all historic carbon footprints that may never be rivaled. So it’s hard to take them serious. It looks like it was all about money and power. Our money and their power.

    • anon

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Tomas Cruz

        If they really cared, teleconference!

        • nostudme1

          Can’t take a crap without a vacation

  • Skeptic

    If you see Smog in the Air…….

    That has NOTHING to do with CO2……

    CO2 is an invisible gas…..

    Asian Smog and Dirty Air……..

    ….are not due to CO2 emissions….

    You are emitting CO2 from your Mouth right now….

    Is it smogging up your surroundings??

    • anon

      YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CLIMATE SCIENCE

      watch this:

      SCIENCE UNDER ATTACK

      http://www.dailymotion.COM/video/x1kaci9_bbc-horizon-2011-science-under-attack-pdtv-xvid_tech

      • Skeptic

        I’m not going to watch anything you post….

        My Climate Skepticism is already fully satisfied with information content….

        Next…

      • Political Hostage

        We know all the data over the last thirty years, whish is what’s being used to promote the idea if GW, has been provably shown to be manipulated by hand, is 10.% invalid according to real science.

        And real science shows data, process, and conclusions openly. Have you noticed this crowd of “scientists” want to keep their data and process secret and use imprisonment against anyone that disagrees with them? How is that valid science? How can you believe such garbage? Are you that stupid?

  • anon
    • Bluto Rules

      Supercunt alert, posing as AFelch.
      AFelch is really Nancy “Botox” Pelosi.

    • Skeptic

      Try to get free from your Cult…..

  • Rebel Yeller

    Follow the money.

    Socialists have learned that to gain long-term power they have to entice corporations with corporate welfare – and as Al Gore and others have shown, they can get quite wealthy in the process themselves.

    • anon

      money = pollution

      • Skeptic

        You = Delusional

      • Crozetian

        Why are you using electricity to write? Much of it is created by coal. Hypocrite. You shouldn’t drive, heat and cool your home, or cook your food. All those spinning wind turbines are killing millions of birds, which eventually will alter and harm nature. And all those solar panels filling the millions of acres of countryside will be polluting junk in the future. Without dependable power, our grandchildren and grandchildren will live extremely hard and brutal lives the way the world is going. All this “science” is based on climate models. Science can’t predict the weather accurately for next week!

      • Rascal69

        When Al Gore moves into a tent in the woods and only eats raw nuts and berries, I will start paying attention to his blather.

      • YoraMoron

        socialism = money without work

  • George Davey

    People need to wake up. Global warming is our friend. An ice age is our enemy. These political idiots promoting an ice age where my country is covered in a mile of ice need to be locked up. Why do they want an ice age that will kill 80% of humans. Oh, I get it now. They want us dead.

  • Skeptic

    Anon perfectly represents…..

    …Climate Hysteria…..

    This is a Phenomenon of Mental Illness…..

    Nothing more…..nothing less…..

    • anon

      Skeptic = clueless, uneducated and deluded

      • Mr Flippy

        Yes you are

      • Skeptic

        How is CO2……an Invisible Gas….

        …related to Toxic Smog??…

        Don’t post a link….just explain it yourself….

  • anon
    • Obama Mama

      ↑↑↑ Nut case.

    • Skeptic

      Toxic Smog is a separate issue from whether Anthropogenic CO2 is causing the Earth to heat up Dangerously…..

      A completely separate issue…

  • dontcare4uatall

    If you believe in Man Made Global Warming, you believe that I deserve a Second Nobel Peace Prize.

  • Skeptic

    Anon…..

    Smog has NOTHING to do with CO2…..

    CO2 is an Invisible Gas….

    Get a 5th Grade Science Education……

  • Mr Flippy

    This is an amazing height of douchebaggery. Please explain how, for example, the “Temperature” component of the “agreement” be measured and validated? Through a Ministry of “Climate Science” that operates from falsified data?

  • Frank

    “Modern Witchcraft” is exactly right. The dogma can not stand to be questioned or challenged. Sadly this will not herald then end of the fear mongering, it’s just another tick forward to the day when the inquisitioners of the new church are unleashed.

  • Attila

    AGW Luddites hope to scare people into reversing the industrial revolution.

  • IB91

    All this talk about carbon emissions… It’s almost like the reason there is so much carbon in the air…. Is that we are carbon based life forms………

  • Cornelius

    keep ’em out of the taxpayer money and I don’t care what they do

  • anon
    • IB91

      Yes because the government has never done anything that wasn’t in the interest of the American people….Totally trustworthy…

    • Skeptic

      You keep posting the same Drivel…..

      Toxic Smog is a separate issue from the AGW Hypothesis…..

    • Rebel Yeller

      What GOP politicians are against the removal of toxins in the air?

    • Mr Flippy

      Good science is always “under attack”…

      QED – you’re a moron

    • Political Hostage

      This douche is obviously too young to remember the daily smog reports on the Today Show back in the 1970’s, and has no historical clue about the real cleanup of our skies. Houston, Pittsburgh, and LA were three of the hotspots that regularly looked like downtown Beijing. Not anymore.

      Yet the mentally ill liberals just keep whining forty years later.

  • Rebel Yeller

    Like anyone who knows that they are not right, liberals cannot tolerate debate. Even FOX News will invite liberals nightly on their commentary shows to debate issues, but you don’t see that on Rachel Maddow or the other MSNBC shows. They know they cannot win an argument unless they frame the debate to their favor. They have come to hate any free thinking, completely intolerant of anyone who has a thought that differs from theirs. They have literally tried to ruin the lives and careers of good scientists who disagree on the warming data to intimidate the rest of the science community to fall in line. They are despicable bullies.

    • Mr Flippy

      “frame the debate to their favor”

      You mean like using falsified data?

    • Crozetian

      That happened to Virginia’s climate scientist, UVa professor Patrick Michaels, who was drummed out because he was a skeptic.

    • Anddrew

      There is mind boggling serious money being made out of the climate change scam, and retribution is guaranteed for any who may rock the boat by pointing out unpalatable truths. Just observe how those who argue to the contrary are demonized.

  • Skeptic

    Anon….

    Of course we should eliminate Toxic Smog…..

    But, that’s a separate issue from whether CO2 Emissions are Bad for Life on Earth…..

    America has already gotten rid of Toxic Smog….

    Talk to Asians about that…..

    • Political Hostage

      And the subcontinent of India.

  • Mr Flippy

    Meanwhile, radicalized Muslims are stabbing, shooting, and blowing people up, yet these douchebags think “Climate Change” is our biggest threat.

    Un-freakin-believable

  • anon

    “the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent
    – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most
    of the leading science organizations around the world have issued
    public statements expressing this, including international and U.S.
    science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
    Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the
    world). The number of peer-reviewed scientific papers that reject the
    consensus on human-caused global warming is a vanishingly small
    proportion of the published research. The small amount of dissent tends
    to come from a few vocal scientists who are not experts in the climate
    field or do not understand the scientific basis of long-term climate
    processes.”

    – NASA

    • Skeptic

      What does the above post have to do with Toxic Smog??

      You don’t even know what you’re talking about….

    • Political Hostage

      100% of those “scientists” are government paid. Settling any science they’re working on means no more paychecks.

    • IB91

      97% of how many scientists? I can throw around random statistics too. 97% of the commenters on this particular article are laughing at your goofy self right now.

    • Anddrew

      Although it is commonly claimed that there is a consensus of scientists that blame man for global warming, in actuality there is no consensus at all. Many prominent scientists disagree. Dr. Art Robinson has maintained a website since 1998, signed by around 20,000 scientists, saying that, as of 2009, there is no convincing scientific evidence that greenhouse gases are causing or will cause catastrophic heating of the earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the earth’s climate.
      Of these, over 2,500 are physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists, who are particularly qualified to evaluate global warming.

  • anon

    “When people think of NASA, they think of rovers on Mars, astronauts
    floating aboard the International Space Station, or probes veering out
    to the edge of the solar system. They don’t necessarily link NASA with
    climate research and observations. But Earth is a planet too, and NASA
    is one of the biggest players in the Earth science arena, with broad
    expertise on observing our climate, especially from the vantage point of
    space. Today it spends over a billion dollars a year doing Earth
    science and has more than a dozen satellites in orbit around the planet
    watching the oceans, land, ice, atmosphere and biosphere.

    In the 1970s, NASA’s planetary exploration budget fell dramatically.
    It was then that the agency really got into the business of studying our
    home planet from orbit. It was also a time when people were beginning
    to realize that our climate could change relatively fast, on the scale
    of the human lifespan. Today, we know that our climate is changing at an
    unprecedented rate and that humans are a key part of that change. NASA
    continues to launch new satellite missions, and is also relying on
    aircraft (manned and unmanned), as well as scientists on the ground, to
    take vital measurements of things like snowpack and hurricanes,
    augmenting the big-picture view we get from space.

    NASA’s role is to make observations of our climate that can be used
    by the public, policymakers and to support strategic decisions. Its job
    is to do rigorous science. However, the agency does not promote
    particular climate policies.”

    – NASA

    • Cornelius

      foolish grubertalk

    • Skeptic

      NASA is under the control of the Federal Government…..

      It is one Scientific Body….

      It doesn’t represent and speak for Most Scientists…..

      You don’t know how Science Works…..

      Science doesn’t work by Consensus…..

    • Mr Flippy

      NASA – for when you absolutely have to have “Muslim outreach” and falsified data.

  • anon

    “Ice cores are scientists’ best source for historical climate data. Every
    winter, some snow coating Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets is left behind
    and compressed into a layer of ice. By extracting cylinders of ice from
    sheets thousands of meters thick, scientists can analyze dust, ash,
    pollen and bubbles of atmospheric gas trapped inside. The deepest
    discovered ice cores are an estimated 800,000 years old. The particles
    trapped inside give scientists clues about volcanic eruptions, desert
    extent and forest fires. The presence of certain ions indicates past
    ocean activity, levels of sea ice and even the intensity of the sun. The
    bubbles can be released to reveal the make-up of the ancient
    atmosphere, including greenhouse gas levels.

    Credit: roundstripe/Shutterstock.com

    Other tools for learning about Earth’s ancient atmosphere
    include growth rings in trees, which keep a rough record of each growing
    season’s temperature, moisture and cloudiness going back about 2,000
    years. Corals also form growth rings that provide information about
    temperature and nutrients in the tropical ocean.”

    • Mr Flippy

      Ice cores are meaningless, particularly when it is very clear that ice comes and goes over time. There is no ice core that can give us a view into the past more than a few hundred or thousand years.

      • Political Hostage

        About 800,000 years… polar ice sticks around indefinitely. That’s why one of our continents, the Arctic, can have no land mass but yet considered to be macro-permanent.

        • Mr Flippy

          Doubtful… And even if so, there is no guarantee that the constituents are meaningful with regard to atmospheric CO2 contemporaneous with the “date” of the core strata.

          • Political Hostage

            It’s real Flippy. It’s called science.

          • Mr Flippy

            It’s settled too right?

            Douchebag.

    • Skeptic

      The Earth has been warming up after the Little Ice Age……

      …for the last 300yrs….

      Long before the Industrial Age began…..

      • Political Hostage

        Yup, just go look at the famous painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. It was April in Virginia.

  • anon

    “The Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last
    650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and
    retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago
    marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human
    civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small
    variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our
    planet receives.

    The current warming trend is of particular significance because
    most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is
    unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.1

    Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have
    enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different
    types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale.
    This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a
    changing climate.

    The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2
    Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the
    atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.
    There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must
    cause the Earth to warm in response.”

    Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical
    mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in
    greenhouse gas levels. They also show that in the past, large changes in
    climate have happened very quickly, geologically-speaking: in tens of
    years, not in millions or even thousands”

    – NASA

    • Skeptic

      Why did C4 Plants evolve in the last 20,000yrs??

      • Political Hostage

        Ahhh the THEORY of evolution. Where two fish mating makes a dog.

    • Mr Flippy

      “mid-nineteenth century”

      using old and debunked “science”

      I see

    • IB91

      “Very likely” = OMG THIS IS 100% FACT SERIOUSLY GUYS!!!! – Says the news media.

    • Political Hostage

      Now that is science. All. liberals need to read and digest.

  • Ms. Necessary Evil

    This is one of the biggest scams ever put upon mankind.

    Shalom

    • anon

      is your ignorant Middle Eastern religion explaining science with myths ?

      • Mr Flippy

        “myths”

        Like Global Warming?

      • mowowie

        It’s SCIENCE!!!!

        The left have perfected Mass Hysteria to an art form.

      • Political Hostage

        Like you’ve been trying to do this morning?

        Liberalism is a mental disorder.

        • IB91

          ⬆⬆⬆ Last comment yes!

      • Ms. Necessary Evil

        I’m Non-religious and I’m not Jewish.

        Shalom America – Shalom simply means peace. As does the Arabic word As-salamu Alaykum if ya prefer…

        Both mean peace ya “Schmuck’~!

        Please Jump back with your next silly or really stupid Obama-Tardnism~!

        Shalom – ,,l, (^_^) ,l,, -~!

    • Anddrew

      One may ask why the academic scientific community has prostituted themselves on this issue, and the answer is quite simple, MONEY.
      In the area of climate research, if one produces a contrary argument to the climate alarmists, it is a guaranteed way to have research funding terminated, and also possibly to have one’s University employment also terminated.

      • Political Hostage

        Well, when you buy a useless degree you need to be a capitalist to pay your state University loan back. Walla, the creation of the “climate scientist”. Every government needs a consensus of them.

      • Ms. Necessary Evil

        Always follow the money in a scam and you will find the scammers. In this case they do not even care because they are raking in so much money from the working people.

        Shalom

  • anon

    “Global sea level rose about 17 centimeters (6.7 inches) in the last
    century. The rate in the last decade, however, is nearly double that of
    the last century”

    “All three major global surface temperature reconstructions show that Earth has warmed since 1880.5
    Most of this warming has occurred since the 1970s, with the 20 warmest
    years having occurred since 1981 and with all 10 of the warmest years
    occurring in the past 12 years.6
    Even though the 2000s witnessed a solar output decline resulting in an
    unusually deep solar minimum in 2007-2009, surface temperatures continue
    to increase.”

    “The oceans have absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 700
    meters (about 2,300 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.302 degrees
    Fahrenheit since 1969”

    “The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from
    NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost 150
    to 250 cubic kilometers (36 to 60 cubic miles) of ice per year between
    2002 and 2006, while Antarctica lost about 152 cubic kilometers (36
    cubic miles) of ice between 2002 and 2005.”

    – NASA

    • Skeptic

      Ha!!

      That’s a funny one….

      • Cornelius

        anon dude probably gets paid by the post $.25 per and all the globull warming magazines he wants.

        • GD in VA

          I’m thinking anon gets paid by the word and has a little side business driving people to his websites.

    • Political Hostage

      rofl

    • Crozetian

      This is from the government, don’t you know. The same government that told you that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. And the same government that says there are no UFOs, while individual astronauts routinely snap photos of them. And since you are a lefty, the same government that told you that there are WMDs in Iraq.

  • Skeptic

    Anon….

    What is the Minimum Concentration of CO2 in the Atmosphere….

    ….below which….

    …Plant Photosynthesis shuts down??

    • Mr Flippy

      wow slow down with the big words, anon’s head will explode

      • Skeptic

        Ha!!

  • mowowie

    Nope, the left have hit the jackpot with this one and they will NEVER give it up.

  • Mr Flippy

    “anon” = Al Gore

  • Chris King

    we are mass flagging anon, right?

    • Skeptic

      Let him speak…..

      We don’t want to be shut down either….

      • Chris King

        he’s not “speaking”… he’s spamming pretyped propaganda that shows up everywhere.

        • Skeptic

          It doesn’t harm me…..

  • Skeptic

    Relative to past Earth History…..

    In the 1800’s……before the Industrial Era began…..

    ….our Atmosphere was severely CO2 Deficient…..

    Currently, 400ppm……

    ….is still considered relatively Low…..

    ….compared to the past…..

    There is no Danger…….and no need for Alarm…..

  • TheBigCat (Steve)

    Is there one person or nation associated with the U.N. Treaty making the case that global warming has been solved? Find one and I’ll shut up.

    • Chris King

      china and india gave obama the big middle finger.

      • anon

        yes,

        EXACTLY

        greed is causing this

        20 people in the US control more wealth than 50% of the country

        the economy is failed due to greed

        the environment WILL suffer and it will destabilize the ecosystem

        • Chris King

          oh, I give you the middle finger

        • IB91

          So the people who caused the problem…. Also have the solution…. That you have to pay for….. Because they obviously can’t…. Right makes TOTAL SENSE!! Good job anon educate us on how we need to pay for other people’s mistakes! You are a good sheeple

      • TheBigCat (Steve)

        I’m not sure so sure this was an Obama driven agreement but to say he didn’t get what he wanted, I think not. Expectations were low no doubt but I think he’s more than a little pleased. It was 50-50 that there’d be any sort of agreement at all. Me? I’m stunned. I find the agreement to be borderline miraculous. I expected nothing at all.

  • http://bit.ly/1p6qQml AGoyAndHisBlog

    No doubt this same sort of mass hysteria, framed by the hypocrisy of those who exploit it, has preceded the fall of every previous civilization.

    It’s not ‘climate change’ that will end in human extinction; clearly, that extinction will be caused by simple human nature, presently on full display in Paris and everywhere on the globe where this hoax is blindly swallowed whole.

  • anon

    no snow for skiing
    https://uk.news.yahoo.COM/slalom-course-ski-areas-facing-future-without-snow-074257211.html

    while the UK and India floods well beyond normal

    and Australia has it’s hottest year in record AGAIN

    every year breaks a new record

    December is the hottest ever

    • Chris King

      flagged

    • Steve

      How foolish of us. I thought that climate varies across the planet sort of at will, and has been for millions of years. The global warming thing explains the tropical tree fossils found clear up in Norway. Listening to the global warming hysteria reminds me of watching the Dodo bird scene in the movie Ice Age with the kids.”Doom on you. Doom on you.” How pathetic.

      News flash: The climate does change. It always has, and it always will. The only thing different this time is the number of lemmings and useful idiots to help the big boys and fascists cash in on it.

      I finally got rid of the last of my Al Gore “Got Mercury?” CFL bulbs. There was another great flipping idea. It is strange that the private sector brought us the new LED bulbs which are now a technology that is ready for prime time all by themselves.

      One of these days you folks will figure out that with respect the climate on earth, saying “above normal” when even comparing it against the last 1 or 2 hundred years is nothing short of stupid when you realize that it is only blip in time with regard to global climate.

      You may resume panicking now.

  • anon

    “The number of record high temperature events in the United States has
    been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has
    been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing
    numbers of intense rainfall events”

    • Chris King

      flag… unsourced quotes. just lying

    • Skeptic

      Everything seems pretty normal…..

      It’s called Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter…..

      Ha!!

    • Mr Flippy

      yet the ice caps are expanding…

    • Mr Flippy

      number of record highs and lows…

      Completely irrelevant, statistically speaking.

    • Frank

      “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

      ― Joseph Goebbels

    • IB91

      I feel sad sad sad for you buddy when those liberals start passing laws that screw over all Americans, you silly people that support them now are going to get screwed just like us folks who can see the truth now.

    • Mega Hitler 666

      Who pays you?

  • Skeptic

    No More Snow!!

    So says Anon….

    That’s what Gore said 10yrs ago…..

    Judging from the Facts….

    Dead Wrong….

  • sirgareth

    ‘Does this mean we never have to hear about ‘solving’ global warming again!?’

    No such luck, the party of committees (or is it the committee of parties ) is already planning their next five star multi-billion dollar Gala and climate extravaganza. All strictly first class. They need to consume us to “save the planet”

    Get your kids out of government schools immediately

  • posse rush

    These HOAXSTERS have the knife in , now they will twist until the fat squealing pig public bleeds out slowly , and painfully . These BASTARD CHILDREN that call themselves leaders just murdered 4 billion people by this FRAUD by the famine that follows ! This FRAUD will enslave the stupid piggish population because they believe the FRAUD perpetuated by these pedophiles , liers, mobsters, warmongers , globalist usurpers running this FRAUD ! WE in America will rise up and fight these PEDOS TO THE DEATH . Next Step by these BASTARD CHILDREN , RFID CHIP those who survive the coming holocaust of war, and famine perpetrated by this GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD !!! YOU PEOPLE ARE FOOLS TO BELIEVE THESE GLOBALIST BASTARDS THAT WANT TO ASSFU(K YOUR 8 YEAROLD CHILDREN …

  • Vienne

    How do you get this many narcissists in one room? Oh that’s right, you fly them in on big carbon spewing jets.

  • anon

    humans are animals

    evolved form apes

    having massive factory created carbon emissions is not a normal natural event AT ALL

    • Skeptic

      Duh….

      What are Volcanoes?

      Natural Massive Factory Carbon Emitters…..

    • IB91

      Remember when evolution was “The Theory of Evolution” and then these liberals just dropped the “theory” part? Good times.

      • Anddrew

        With regard to scientific “theories”. We need to understand, when debating, that a “theory” with respect to a “scientific theory” doesn’t have the same meaning as ‘theory’ in the non-science world, which means a consideration or a contemplation etc…. When scientists call it a theory, it means a fact in science lingo (has to do with no absolute truths prattle). Therefore, evolutionism in no way rises to the level of “scientific theory” and should not be granted the title. A better description would be something like ‘speculative conjecture’ at best.

    • Zlurgh

      Fool…..if man evolved from apes then EVERYTHING he does on the surface of this planet is NATURAL.

      • Skeptic

        Good Point….

    • Vienne

      It is obvious that YOU evolved from apes.

      • Mr Flippy

        from a particularly stupid species of ape…

        • Anddrew

          I would suggest by empirical evidence, a common ancestor might be an unusually simple species of house plant.

    • Anddrew

      Pretending the emperor has clothes so you don’t appear foolish to perceived peers is no way to go through life kid.

    • Mr Flippy

      Do you ever get tired of the ridicule?

      • Zlurgh

        Liberalism is a mental disorder. Don’t expect natural responses from this one.

  • Skeptic

    I feel no sympathy for the Maldives or Marshall Islands….

    Why the F would you build a country…..

    ….on small islands barely above the Water??

    It’s time to move…..

    ….just like Humans have been forced to Migrate for Tens of Thousands of Years….

    ….due to Climate Change….

    No sympathy at all….

    • Chris King

      the sea level is NOT RISING on those islands.
      not one iota.

      • Skeptic

        The NYTimes has been publishing Hysteria in the last 2 weeks….

        • Chris King

          if they had a thing, they wouldn’t be printing words but pictures.
          it’s all a lie.

          • Skeptic

            The Climate is Changing…..

            Ocean Levels are increasing slightly…..

            But, this has been happening for Billions of Years…..

            I’m not worried at all…..

  • Zlurgh

    Socialism is based on the hope of a transcendent man….a stupid premise if there ever was one. Man does not and WILL not ever live outside of himself enough to make a world collective possible. Socialism is an unworkable theory COERCED upon populations by dreamers who have never been accountable to function in the REAL world.

    Anthropogenic Global Warming is the basis for the next coercion.

    • The Masked Avatar

      This generation’s Riechstag Fire.

  • http://www.tonymandolin.com Tony Mandolin

    Amazing is right. I had no idea the folks at the Paris summit figured out how to control the sun.

    • Mr Flippy

      within 0.5 degrees no less…

    • IB91

      That’s why they do these things and don’t involve the plebes. We’re not worthy.

  • timmy2001

    What a joke.

  • Skeptic

    What happened to Anon?

    Ha!!

    • Chris King

      it disappears when you refuse to take its crap.

      • Skeptic

        Agreed…..

  • pilgrimsjog

    Global warming/climate change is merely the Gaia Hypothesis of the 1970s being used as a justification to impose a form a economic socialism by a one-world global governing body.

    • Skeptic

      That is their plan, indeed….

    • Zlurgh

      It’s hard to imagine the intelligentsia behind this POLITICAL MOVEMENT having any LESS intellectual integrity….but here you go.

      • pilgrimsjog

        This is what happens when Progressive academics and so-called scientist, who embrace the moral relativism of the Post-modernist world-view, become joined and become the public policy tool of Progressive political Statisst, who truly believe that they are never wrong. When this took place, which we are watching now, a Justified True Belief, which the Modernist world-view definition for Knowledge, to the Post-Modernist scientist, Truth becomes relative and Truth becomes the tool of the political-class, where Post-modernist scientists merely has to generate biased data to meet the needs of their Progressive-Statist taskmasters, who pay their Progressive scientists millions in research funds to generate biased data to use while writing the latest Progressive social engineering public policy, which the wives, sons, daughters, relatives of Progressives will use to form businesses to regulate Progressive social engineering laws.

        Do you see how Progressive social masterminds get rich in the Post-Modernist era? The Clinton’s, Al Gore, and Joe Biden’s with his connected wife and children, and Barack Obama who will become the first ex-president billionaire, are excellent case studies of “Progressive crony capitalism.”

  • LogicalMadman

    This is too funny! I don’t understand how supposedly smart people can believe in something a provable as the existence of Santa Claus and his elves.

    • Zlurgh

      If Santa Claus delivered world socialism….these people would be singing carols ALL YEAR,

      • LogicalMadman

        Yeah, until their benevolent polit-bureau cuts their tongues out for complaining that they’re cold and starving.

        • Zlurgh

          As it is….as it was….as it always shall be

    • Mr Flippy

      It’s no so much “believing” as it is “insisting”

  • Mr Flippy

    In other news, a NASA data collection satellite mysteriously blew up… (probably had collected massive amounts of data disproving Global Warming)

  • tg

    IT’s amazing how gullible and easily fooled everyone is when you have a figure like bernie sanders preaching about how screwed out planet is and that we have to turn ALL attention to “solving the global warming problem”.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE! This is one of THE GREATEST Con-jobs in human history!
    don’t you see this is another hoax!?!
    just like the conception of obamacare, to create and pass the initiative of this bullsh!t “carbon tax” which is going to tax the industrialized countries Trillions of dollars, EXCEPT CHINA, INDIA, MEXICO, and a host of others – That’s right, the globalist conspiracists what to rake in trillions of dollar, bankrupting the remaining countries while the biggest offenders of the worlds pollution ARE EXEMPT!?
    WTF PEOPLE!!?!?
    Don’t you see this is a scam? Don’t you see how many of the leading scientists who oppose the idea of Global warming, and that there’s actually a global cooling trends, are being persecuted legally, fired from their jobs and silenced out of the left/liberal communist media….. We’re not hearing the hoards of supporting evidence that contradicts everything we’re being told, because there’s trillions of dollars to be embezzeled and stolen from the 1st world nations, like US the usa.

    Why would Russia oppose this measure – they are opposing the global warming hoax conspiracy to rip off the world and continue to enable the china/india population to keep on polluting and not fining THEM.

    SO fukcing sickening! How stupid all of us are!!! I can’t wait one day until the lid is blown off this and the conspiracy to commit theft of the people with this “global carbon tax” and would love to see all the collaborators hung on world wide broadcast TV – including our politicians involved – those running for president too.

    • Mr Flippy

      It would be a “con job” if everyone was buying into it. Fortunately, that is NOT the case.

      • tg

        Ummm, you’re missing the point. The people are FOR this idea of global warming and the only way to stop it is to pass “carbon taxes” on the non-china, india, mexico…etc. ALL have something to gain.

        Do some research instead of passively beleiving EVERYTHING you’re told and what you hear from the corporate media that’s teaching you what you think you know.
        Research global cooling, see how many highly respected scientists from multidisciplined backgrounds are contesting this idea that our warming trends are completely man-made.
        Also research who and why and how these scientists are getting axed from their positions and even prosecuted for protesting this scandulous idea that we have to all be taxed trillions of dollars world wide to somehow fight this problem we have.
        The more you know, the more stupid you originally feel for beleiving everything that’s told to you by the media that you get your information from. There is a narrative they want you to believe. And people like AL Gore stand to make billions off this “Deal” – because it’s a businss move to him.

        And when you see people like Bill Mahr, who’s a staunch mouthpiece of the democratic party, passively agree and foritify that we have an out of control global warming problem, without talking about any facts, or weighing ANY evidence into this equation, that’s enough for countless millions to automatically agree with this concept.

        Research the facts, The people who are testifying against this concept are breaking news that the polar ice caps actually have MORE SNOW than in the last dozen plus or more years!?
        HOw is that possible?
        There’s no rise in tides, if there was “global warming” from melting icecaps flooding the water on the planet.
        If anything the tides have fallen!! because of the increased polar snow mass.
        Wake up man! do your own research. listen to other people than CNN, bernie sanders, msnbc, Al Gore, and see this is one of the biggest con-jobs trying to be passed over the world that we’ve ever seen!!

        • Mr Flippy

          Don’t lecture me douchebag.

          • tg

            Dont call me a douchebag when you’re clearly a mindless idiot who believes everything you read from the sources of tell you what to beleive.

          • Mr Flippy

            What are you talking about. I said that not everyone is buying into the Global Warming Hoax. Any problem with that douchebag?

          • tg

            WEll don’t make it sounds like you’re one of the people who actually believe this load of horse shit. Especially when bernie thinks our greatest threat to the USA is global warming- WTF!? I merely implied that MOST PEOPLE, who beleive we have this out of control warming epidemic, have been conned into thinking we’ve got a doomsday scenario coming if we don’t start collecting trillions of dollars from the lesser of the ecodisaster countries.
            I agree we have a global pollution problem. Absolutely infuckingdisputable. but to say this is the direct cause of the temps on the planets is both misguided and a flat our exaggeration and a lie.

    • Zlurgh

      I always said that the next wave of fascism will be accelerated by the internet.

      • tg

        Much agreed. the next wave of fascism exists because of the special interest, corporat controlled, govt censored media puts out disinformation to create the narrative they want the media to portray and the people to beleive. We’re seeing some of the greatest facism that rivals anything from WW2, but on a whole different, indirect level. totalitarianism is already here.

  • jaz

    Can we move on? Um, no. These idiots are like a pitbull on a ham bone. It’s never going to stop. Even though in this case the ham bone isn’t real.

  • SalMoanella

    This scam will attempt the biggest theft of collective wealth the world has ever seen.

    • Mr Flippy

      It’s global wealth distribution with parasites like Al Gore raking in millions…

      • SalMoanella

        It’s all about the money, nothing else. Climate change is just the means for the theft.

        • Mr Flippy

          Al Gore needs a new carbon guzzling mansion.

  • Skeptic

    When you watch and listen to Left Wing Climate Doomsday Propaganda……

    It’s always all mixed up…..

    …with other issues completely non-related to whether the AGW Hypothesis is real or not…..

    Discovery Channel had this propaganda piece a week ago……about Mass Extinction……

    It was a jumble collage of Environmentalists favorite issues…..

    I kept wondering how Asians who are killing off Sea Life…….

    …has to do with me driving a car powered by Gasoline???

    Then, in the background is this Soft Piano meant to try to introduce tears into my tear ducts…..

    It’s really weird Cult Like stuff….

  • Mr Flippy

    Climate Change Parasites Advocates are wringing their hands in delight.

  • Arminius

    This is modern day witchcraft and should be responded to in like kind. When the end game comes in the form of an economic collapse the burnings will begin.

  • Barack the megalomaniac

    Can we tax the Cave men and Dinosaurs? Because the climate has been changing then and from the beginning of time, tell this very moment!

    • Mr Flippy

      We demand Reparations from the Cave Man!

  • Wynn Chester

    I would be happy if this got us off the addiction to fossil fuels so countries deficient in them wouldn’t have to defend (or suck up to) those that do.

    • Skeptic

      Are you addicted to food?

      Should we go back to burning trees to cook food and keep warm?

    • Mr Flippy

      “addiction to fossil fuels”

      Are you nuts? That’s like claiming that there is an addiction to “the wheel” or “steam” …

      As it turns out, the fuel conversion efficiency of internal combusion engines running off of fossil fuels is around 85%. There is literally almost NOTHING that is that efficient.

    • Political Hostage

      We would be nearly there by now if the liberals hadn’t demonized, banned, and over regulated the growth of nuclear energy back in the 1970’s.

      • Skeptic

        How is Nuclear Energy going to power the Combustion Engine….

        …in all of our Cars and Trucks??

        • Political Hostage

          Only about 11% of all oil used in the USA goes into gasoline. The remainder is split between rubber production, plastics, and energy production. The majority of that remainder, a bit over 60%, goes to the energy sector.

          So there’d be a lot less dependency if we’d gone nuclear, like Europe did. And they use a pretty much perfected single model of power plant too. They work well, and there’s no need for every town/county to have its own. Nuclear is much more powerful and efficient, so less of them are needed.

          With science dedicated to advancing that power source, we’d probably begin using fission within a few decades. It’s the next logical step. And fission is the same energy the sun produces, so if we could harness that, there’s the idea the the entire country could be powered by a handful of fission plants, with room to grow exponentially.

  • Skeptic

    We live in a Fossil Fuel World……

    All Plastic comes from Crude Oil…..

    Thousands of other products come from Crude Oil…..

    It’s not going away…….

    Tens of Millions of Americans rely on Heating Oil to keep from freezing in the Winter…..

    Over 97% of Automobiles, Trucks, etc………run on Crude Oil Fuel Derivatives…..

    Fossil Fuels aren’t going anywhere….

    • Mr Flippy

      And the notion of “Peak Oil” is another myth, which like Global Warming, has come and gone.

      • Skeptic

        True…

        There are theories that Oil is Unlimited….

        Meaning, the Earth is continuing to make more of it…..

  • Giordano_Bruno

    Fossil fuels are a gift from God . . . and they get the Pope anywhere he wants to go to talk about the evils of fossil fuels!

    • Mr Flippy

      the Godless commie Pope-a-dope?

  • Skeptic

    Environmentalists are a funny bunch…..

    18 Wheeler Trucks…..

    ….keep our Economy moving….

    We see them all over the Highways 24/7…..

    Without them…….our Economy would shut down…..

    There aren’t going to be Electrically Powered 18 Wheelers any time soon…..

    It’s a Fantasy……

    • Chris King

      they fight pipelines, prefer trains to move their oil… like the 1800s

      • Skeptic

        They are a delusional bunch……

        Agreed…..

      • Steve

        Gotta keep Mr. I don’t pay enough taxes (Buffet) in cash. Warren Buffet, pied piper of dingbats.

      • Political Hostage

        And there’s already over a half million miles of oil pipeline crisscrossing the country. An educated public would never have allowed this to be stopped. There’s just no logical reason to do so.

  • Skeptic

    The American Economy will breath a sigh of relief…..

    …when Obama leaves the White House…..

    • Steve

      The eternal POTUS. It seems this clown has been in town for an eternity. I already have my fireworks ready for Jan 2017. I sense a winter barbecue party coming on.

      • Skeptic

        Ha!!

        I’ll be celebrating too…..

        I can’t wait…..

        I’ll definitely have a hang over the next morning….

        • Steve

          Most assuredly!

    • tg

      And when that criminal traitor leaves office, he will be tried and prosecuted when he’s just a civilian again.
      We;ve never had a person in the white house who’s been a bigger traitor, theif and antagonist against the american way more than oba-mao.

      • Steve

        There will be no trial, no prosecution. Just golf on our nickle, and a security detail on our nickle.

  • The Troof Hertz

    We will only hear about it As long as the greedy socialist jew bankster cartel can find a way to milk a nickel from the working man.

    • Skeptic

      Is Gore Jewish?

      • Nice Try Lying Coward

        Is he a banker? Did he make up Global Warming? You are as stupid as your question…..

        • Skeptic

          Calm down, Jeb….

          • Sarah

            You ignorant cowards never answer, do you?

          • Skeptic

            Calm down, Hitler…..

          • Steve

            Obviously they took Colorful Insults 202 in college.The pee-requist was Basket Weaving 101

      • tg

        No he’s not jewish, just a misguided conartist who’s paired up with the globalist leaders to try to make some more money for himself and the rest of the cartel – while amazingly allowing leglislation to bipass the root of the cause of global pollution – which is China and India – alone contribute to the Global Pollution. Global pollution is NOT The same thing as warming, nor can anyone prove the direct correlation either.

        UK has banned his teachings and opinions on putting his misinformation into their public schooling system.

        • Skeptic

          ‘Greedy Socialist Jew Bankster Cartel’

          Is this a real thing?

          • Steve

            It is if your nuts.

          • Skeptic

            Ha!!

        • Atty Tude

          Exactly right. Gore is one of the greatest con artists since Nostradamus. And he’s made a fortune out of his hoax.

      • Julia

        Who owns the United State Federal Reserve Bank, sniveling worm? Why no non jew FED Chairman in 3 decades?

        • Skeptic

          Relax, jules…..

          The American People own the Federal Reserve…..

          • Steve

            Now there is the problem. We are the ones who will be left holding the bag when they run out of red ink.

          • Skeptic

            Yes sir…..

            That’s a bigger problem than Climate Change….

          • Steve

            NO WAY! (sarc=off)

          • random_dude

            “The American People own the Federal Reserve…..”

            Wow!!! You need to do some research. You couldn’t be more wrong.

            Search “Federal Reserve Act 1913” to catch up.

    • Political Hostage

      Thanks for the Nazi Youth perspective. Very helpful.

      • Julia

        Who owns the United State Federal Reserve Bank, sniveling worm? Why no non jew FED Chairman in 3 decades?

        • The Troof Hertz

          These ignorant cowards will never answer your question.

        • Political Hostage

          decaf Julia.

          Why do only white males run Apple? There. I’ve given you a brand new boogieman to fear.

          • Julia

            WHO pathetic coward? You “forgot” to answer!

          • Political Hostage

            Again Julia. try decaf. Tell me deary, how does someone aquire the job of the Fed Chairman?

          • Political Hostage

            I guess Julia had a zeig Heil meeting to attend this morning.

            The answer to my question is that the Fed Chairman is appointed by the president.

        • Steve

          Are you in Germany? I heard the Neo-Nazis were making a comeback.

  • The Troof Hertz

    GLOBAL = EVERYWHERE on earth
    WARMING = Rising temps
    So HOW are record cold temps possible ANYWHERE on earth if TEMPS ARE RISING EVERYWHERE ON EARTH???……How can Demoliars say “the science is settled”, when they don’t even understand the 5th grade level vocabulary words in their lie?
    NOTE: never has a Democoward Liar Answered the question……ever!

    • Political Hostage

      You just explained why they now use the term “climate change”.

      • DTH

        LOL…
        Climate and Weather ARE SYNONYMS, and mean the same thing…..
        Unless GOOGLE is LYING about CLIMATE DEFINITION……

        • Atty Tude

          And true to nature the left tries to warp and change the meaning of words to suit their agenda.

          What else is new?

        • Political Hostage

          sort of… weather generally refers to the here and now… it’s raining, it’s sunny, etc. climate is more macro… the desert is hot and sunny, the Arctic is cold.

          But I feel ya.

          • LOL

            So google is lying about Climate and Weather being synonyms? And the definition of Climate is NOT, THE WEATHER CONDITIONS prevailing in an area……THE WEATHER CONDITIONS>>>>>>> Do you understand the words I am typing??????

          • Political Hostage

            Yes and no. Has anyone ever asked you how the climate is outside today?

            Sure, though, they’re loose synonyms.

    • Atty Tude

      Oh, they answer it alright. “You’re just a stupid global warming denier who doesn’t understand science!”

      That’s their typical answer.

      • TTH

        That’s about it….I try to get them to discuss Thermodynamics, and how it relates to “Global warming”, but none of them understand science. DEMOCRATS HATE SCIENCE, because real science proves they are liars.

  • Atty Tude

    “Does this mean we never have to hear about ‘solving’ global warming again!?’

    In our dreams. And if it’s not global warming it will be something else.

    Government’s main function these days is to keep the populace in perpetual hysterical fear about everything. It gives “our elected officials” a good excuse to step in, deprive us of our most basic freedoms, and control every aspect of our lives … “for the greater good.”

  • pilgrimsjog

    Progressive wealth creation and wealth transfer from the economy to the global political class. This is advanced when Progressive academics and so-called scientist, who embrace the moral relativism of the Post-modernist world-view, become joined and become the public policy tool of Progressive political Statist, who truly believe that they are never wrong. When this took place, which we are watching now, a Justified True Belief, which the Modernist world-view definition for Knowledge, to the Post-Modernist scientist, Truth becomes relative and Truth becomes the tool of the political-class, where Post-modernist scientists merely has to generate biased data to meet the needs of their Progressive-Statist taskmasters, who pay their Progressive scientists millions in research funds to generate biased data to use while writing the latest Progressive social engineering public policy, which the wives, sons, daughters, relatives of Progressives will use to form businesses to regulate Progressive social engineering laws.

    Do you see how Progressive social masterminds get rich in the Post-Modernist era? The Clinton’s, Al Gore, and Joe Biden’s with his connected wife and children, and Barack Obama who will become the first ex-president billionaire, are excellent case studies of “Progressive crony capitalism.”

  • Shears-of-Atropos

    Only in your dreams. Whenever our Democrats pass something that limits individual liberties, within 24 hours some D-bigwig like Pelosi will announce that “It is a good first step”, and blame the Republicans for obstructionism. Their history on gun control is a good example. Step by step, slowly, slowly, catchee monkey!

  • Chris King

    dear antisemites: the cash transfers go to china and india, who have outright said they won’t be bound by a word.

  • BHP9mm

    As a concerned rancher I decided to do my part in the fight against global warming.
    All my cattle wear flatulence bags which trap and contain the harmful gas. Every twelve hours these bags are emptied into a large vacuum facilitator where the gas is pumped to a depth of 800 feet below the earths surface. There it is forced through a colander and pumped back to the surface as oxygen.
    This process is time consuming and costly and I am quickly going broke. However, I know I am doing the right thing as it makes me feel so warm and fuzzy to know I am helping save the planet……and the children.

  • Muy Importante

    Just another liberal shake-down of producers.

  • David Swanson

    Yawn, the globalist control freaks want another revenue stream and control measure for their human cattle of coarse its a scam. These people will find, strong arm and bribe any gullible scientist to hop on the agenda. Sure sucks being a legitimate scientist now days


    .

  • Black Tongue

    I for one think this is an amazing first step toward saving the planet. Another year without an agreement like this and we’d all be dead. There’s just no surviving these skyrocketing temperatures.

    • Chris King

      gotta label that sarcasm, that what leftists actually think.

      • Black Tongue

        I know right. That’s because the left is full of gullible idiots.

  • The Troof Hertz

    “SKEPTIC” is SO STUPID he thinks “the American people own the Federal Reserve Bank”…..
    Actually, most Americans find it hard to beliee that a group of GREEDY SOCIALIST JEW BANKERS own the United States Feeral Rserve Bnk, and printed themselves SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS UNDER OBAMA ALONE…. (Google Quantitative Esing money printing”, because we all know the socialist jew media has not told America what it really is…..GREEDY SOCIALIST JEWS PRINTING THEMSELVES MONEY…..
    Now you know why they don’t want the FED AUDITED…..
    Americans really are ignorant moronas….

    • Chris King

      flagged

      • Shut Up Fool

        Thanks for cowering from the truth!

        • Anddrew

          Irony. “Cowering from the truth” says the idiot with an imbecilic name and locked up disqus account? Try again when you grow up kid.

    • Anddrew

      Yes, yes, we know, the entire world, except the baby rapers/murderers, neo-NAZI’s, bigot’s, religious haters, etc., are all under the thumb of the Jews. Yes, yes, we all understand. Less that 3% of the world’s population controls the entire world. This is why every president, every dictator, every prime minister, every governor, every mayor, every dog catcher is a Jew. Can you ever get over yourself? Such stupidity, did you take classes in hate or did it come naturally to you?

  • dd121

    Death by politician.

  • Giordano_Bruno

    Carbon dioxide increase from 330 ppm (1980) to 390 ppm now is like the proverbial needle in a haystack increasing its mass by 1/5 of a needle! Not to mention that water vapor accounts for about 3/4 of the very necessary-to-life greenhouse effect! Without the greenhouse effect, we would be Mars. And without carbon dioxide in the air we would be dead!

    • Black Tongue

      I’m kind of a fan of water vapor. Sometimes it gets so thick it condenses and falls to earth. It’s weird. Then things like potatoes and beans grow. And then we can pick them when they’re ripe and eat them. They taste pretty good.

      • Giordano_Bruno

        . . . and use up lots of carbon dioxide in the process!

    • Steve

      Shhhhh! It is hard to panic with you spewing (I had to use that word) anything resembling common sense.

  • The Troof Hertz

    I try to get DEMOCRAT GLOBAL WARMING LIARS to discuss Thermodynamics, and how it relates to “Global Warming”, but none of them understand science. DEMOCRATS HATE SCIENCE, because real science proves they are liars.

  • auh2064

    Now that we know that socialism cures global warming, we’ll need even more of it.

  • The Troof Hertz

    “SKEPTIC” is SO STUPID he thinks “the American people own the Federal Reserve Bank”…..
    Actually, most Americans find it hard to believe that a group of GREEDY SOCIALIST JEW BANKERS own the United States Federal Reserve Bank, and printed themselves SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS UNDER OBAMA ALONE…. (Google Quantitative Easing money printing”, because we all know the socialist jew media has not told America what it really is)…..GREEDY SOCIALIST JEWS PRINTING THEMSELVES MONEY…..
    Now you know why they don’t want the FED AUDITED…..
    Americans really are ignorant morons….

    • Steve

      He is correct. WE own all that debt, And yes, I said all. You are really out there with the anti-jew thing. You are correct with one thing. No entity doing business with the US government should above being audited.

  • The Troof Hertz

    We will only hear about it As long as the greedy socialist jew bankster cartel can find a way to milk a nickel from the working man.

  • The Troof Hertz

    WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?

    Today, seven Jewish-Americans run the vast majority of major U.S. television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

    Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
    Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
    Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
    Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
    Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
    Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
    Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

    These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

  • The Troof Hertz

    WHY no NON-JEW FEDERAL RESERVE Bank CHAIRMAN in the last 3 decades?

    • Chris King

      why have the 22 secs of state all been members of CFR?

      • Rex

        WHY COWARD?

        • Black Tongue

          Why are you logged in as as three different people?

          • Steve

            Double split personality.

    • Political Hostage

      Ask the presidents that appointed them.

  • deCosmos

    The Pope has bought in because ‘Climate Change’ is really the hot new religion, and he doesn’t want to be left in the dust.

    It’s amazing how gullible people are and how they can be exploited by this sort of big-time fraud.

  • Black Tongue

    Without greenhouse gases we would all freeze to death and everything else on earth would die too. Just saying.

  • Linecreek

    Since it is a fraud from the get go. Once they are ready they can claim it is now fixed. Nothing changed but money from the workers to the entitled elite.

  • The Troof Hertz

    JFK publicly stated that he wanted to Abolish the SOCIALIST JEW FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, and the GREEDY LYING SOIALIST JEW BANKERS HAD HIM SHOT……
    Then 3 years later, THE CIA MADE UP THE TERM “CONSPIRACY THEORIST”, to attack those who questioned JFK’s death…..
    WHY ISN’T THE SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA REPORTING ON THIS?
    GOOGLE ZEROHEDGE CIA JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIST…..and see what the greedy, lying socialist jew media is hiding from you!

    • Steve

      Meds starting to taper off?

      • LOL@Cowards

        Cowardly pus$ies attack me, not my factual posts!!!!!!
        Too stupid to google it, huh coward?

        • Steve

          Wow another mouthy keyboard commando. I am impressed.

        • Political Hostage

          Is it really fun to make posts, then log out and change screen names so you can abuse people that comment on your idiot posts?

          • Steve

            I think when you are unbalanced it probably seems like the thing to do.

    • Political Hostage

      awesome did you have to go change your login? The Nazi Youth perspective is so enlightening.

      • LOL@Cowards

        Cowardly pus$ies attack me, not my factual posts!!!!!! part two
        Too stupid to google it, huh coward?

        • Steve

          Said the man on the internet behind the keyboard.

  • 2 Aces

    It’s so easy to fool people these days. A bunch of sheep. If they hear something repeated enough, they lick it up like a dog at the water dish. Bunch of idiotic, moronic fools. Do you Lib Leftists realize how sick you are??

  • The Troof Hertz

    WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    ———————————————————————————————————————————-
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?

  • The Troof Hertz

    “SKEPTIC” is SO STUPID he thinks “the American people own the Federal Reserve Bank”…..
    Actually, most Americans find it hard to believe that a group of GREEDY SOCIALIST JEW BANKERS own the United States Federal Reserve Bank, and printed themselves SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS UNDER OBAMA ALONE…. (Google Quantitative Easing money printing”, because we all know the socialist jew media has not told America what it really is)…..GREEDY SOCIALIST JEWS PRINTING THEMSELVES MONEY…..
    Now you know why they don’t want the FED AUDITED…..
    Americans really are ignorant morons….

  • Geno Tognotti

    I’m ignorant when it comes down to congressional ratifications of treaties, (or if they will have a say in this at all) but what I do know is that the house and senate that we voted in to stand up to Obama will without a doubt bend over and grab their pasty white ankles on this one.

  • The Troof Hertz

    JFK publicly stated that he wanted to Abolish the SOCIALIST JEW FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, and the GREEDY LYING SOIALIST JEW BANKERS HAD HIM SHOT……
    Then 3 years later, THE CIA MADE UP THE TERM “CONSPIRACY THEORIST”, to attack those who questioned JFK’s death…..
    WHY ISN’T THE SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA REPORTING ON THIS?
    GOOGLE ZEROHEDGE CIA JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIST…..and see what the greedy, lying socialist jew media is hiding from you!
    Calling me names won’t cure your ignorance GOOGLING WILL!!!!!!

  • TruthBeTold

    ‘Does this mean we never have to hear about ‘solving’ global warming again!?’

    No.

    They had to rush this through because it’s becoming undeniably obvious that man-made global warming isn’t happening.

    Now they can take credit for stopping man-made global warming.

    But they’ll keep asking for more money to ‘combat the threat’.

    You know how they tell us, ‘weather is not climate’? Every weather event will be proof of climate change. Just think of ‘SUPER STORM’ Sandy.

  • Beavereater

    In recent news, the African termite queen Ilika Woodchomp has retained the law firm of Whineinurstein & Lyinsacashitz to sue these globalist leaders for damages caused by tampering with earths thermostat. Damages are estimated to exceed all of the money on the planet.

  • The Troof Hertz

    WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    ——————————————————————————————————————————-
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?
    ==================================================================
    Name calling socialist jew liars and democowards never answer…….

    • Steve

      Are you writing this as you go, or is this canned Neo-Nazi garbage available online?

      • Sarah

        WHY sniveling coward? You “forgot” to answer, pus$y….

        • Steve

          Now cross dressing to “Sarah”? I heard some of those Nazi types sorta went that way.

  • twogun

    And, at one time, the settled science was that the earth was flat.

    • Steve

      You mean it isn’t?????? Whats up with that?

  • rickroland

    New President in the U.S. 2017, will wipe his behind with this so-called “agreement”.

  • Black Tongue

    These treaties and agreements are meaningless. A president cannot enforce laws that congress doesn’t pass. It’s violates the constitution, which is why we need to vote for a strict constitutionalist in November.

  • The Troof Hertz

    Q: WHY no NON-JEW FEDERAL RESERVE Bank CHAIRMAN in the last 3 decades?
    A: Because the last NON-Jew, under Reagan WANTED TO ABOLISH THE FED…..Then REAGAN WAS SHOT…..just as the last President who publicly said ABOLISH THE FED (JFK) was shot……

    • Geno Tognotti

      Because not many guys named tyrone or pedro are good enough at math

      • Rex

        And White Christians are not good at math, sniveling coward?

        • Steve

          Nothing says ” I am a tough guy” like hiding on the internet and calling people whom they nothing about sniveling cowards. I can’t think of anything quite as macho.

  • Sledge Hammer

    The state sponsored religion of global warming has now been adopted as the globalist’s forced religion.
    Just as the Emperor of Rome to the King of England forced the single religion of Christianity down everyone’s throats against their will, the modern, self appointed emperors are going to FORCE FEED us their scam of a religion on us in every way possible. But they, so far, won’t threaten us to convert or die…no… They want us alive to TAX us on their religion. Believe it or not, we all will pay.

  • Black Tongue

    Chalk this up as another example of hope and change.

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?
    ==================================================================
    Name calling socialist jew liars and democowards never answer…….

    • Skeptic

      A Girl might smile and wink at you….

      But, that doesn’t mean she wants to bang you……

      Ponder….

      • lol@CowardlyPus$ies

        WHY COWARD?

  • surfdog

    Time to move on to something else .
    Agreed .
    Does Caitlyn Jenner consult with a urologist or a gynecologist ?

    • Skeptic

      Ha!!

      He needs to consult with a Psychiatrist….

      • Steve

        Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner.

        • Skeptic

          Ha!

    • TruthBeTold

      A urologist. He’s a man.

  • Skeptic

    Why didn’t the American Diplomats take Sail Boats to France for the Summit?

    Wouldn’t that be consistent?

    • Steve

      You get funnier all the time. Where would the hypocrisy be in that?

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    but……WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    ——————————————————————————————————————————-
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?
    ==================================================================
    Name calling socialist jew liars and democowards never answer…….Sure they will call me names though!!!!

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    JFK publicly stated that he wanted to Abolish the SOCIALIST JEW FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, and the GREEDY LYING SOIALIST JEW BANKERS HAD HIM SHOT……
    Then 3 years later, THE CIA MADE UP THE TERM “CONSPIRACY THEORIST”, to attack those who questioned JFK’s death…..
    WHY ISN’T THE SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA REPORTING ON THIS?
    GOOGLE ZEROHEDGE CIA JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIST…..and see what the greedy, lying socialist jew media is hiding from you!
    Calling me names won’t cure your ignorance GOOGLING WILL!!!!!!

  • roberto di camerino

    The kabuki play in Paris made possible thanks to our Embarrassment-in-Chief.

    • Steve

      You left out his useful idiot minions. They deserve a lot of the discredit….I mean credit, as well.

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    Dear Cowardly Name callers….

    Which of these socialist jews are not socialist jews?

    Today, seven Jewish-Americans run the vast majority of major U.S. television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

    Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
    Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
    Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
    Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
    Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
    Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
    Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

    These seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

    • LOL@COWARDS

      WHICH ONES COWARDS!!!!!

    • Skeptic

      There is some truth to what you post…..

      You just go overboard…..

      People can tune out all these stations with their Remote Control……

      • Steve

        You are one polite individual.

    • Skeptic

      I don’t buy any music from Major Record Labels….

      With that one simple choice…..

      …I defeated your Imaginary Socialist Jew Banker Cartel…..

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    UMMMMMMMMMMMM, BUT……WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?
    ==================================================================
    Name calling socialist jew liars and democowards never answer…….WHY DEMOCOWARDS?

    • Skeptic

      Calm down…..

      Like I said…

      …there is some truth to what you post…..

      But, don’t take it and form massive conspiracy theories that are unsubstantiated…..

      • Steve

        You do if your pill bottles (yes plural) are empty.

  • Cowards Cant Answer!

    WHY no NON-JEW FEDERAL RESERVE Bank CHAIRMAN in the last 3 decades?

    • Steve

      A critical shortage of Catholic bankers?

      • Skeptic

        Ha!

      • RED

        And WHY is that….in your own words….w/o calling names or telling lies…..
        That’s what I thought.

  • jmoke

    Let’s sum this up to one simple quote by Dr. Michael Savage: “liberalism is a mental disorder”. That’s all anyone needs to know when it comes to the climate fraud hoax.

  • TruthBeTold

    ‘Does this mean we never have to hear about ‘solving’ global warming again!?’

    No. Not by a long shot. They just got world consensus that MMGW is happening and they’re going to milk it for all the money they can get.

    They had to rush this through because it’s becoming undeniably obvious that man-made global warming isn’t happening.

    Now they can take credit for stopping man-made global warming.

    But they’ll keep asking for more money to ‘combat the threat’.

    You know how they tell us, ‘weather is not climate’? Every weather event will be proof of climate change. Just think of ‘SUPER STORM’ Sandy.

  • Kaight

    The climate change hustle; somebody needs to write a song!

  • Skeptic

    Plants love CO2…..

    Liberals fear CO2….

    This simple fact……exposes the whole Delusional Cult for what it is….

    • Steve

      Makes me want to get some CO2 air fresheners for the house.

  • Mobius Loop

    No, it means that countries across the world have just agreed to a very long discussion about the subject.

    Never mind Marc, keep you busy for the decades ahead.

  • Skeptic

    Liberal Democrats have decided to regulate CO2 for the Plant Kingdom…..

    The Plant Kingdom says:

    “Thanks Libnutz…….but we don’t need your assistance……just keep emitting MORE CO2…..we LOVE it”

    • Steve

      If they really wanted to help the environment they could easily just make a real protest and stop breathing to help the environment….but nooooo.

      • Skeptic

        Ha!

        It would definitely help us all…..

  • Skeptic

    Why do Plants love CO2….

    …but, Liberals fear CO2?

    The Plant Kingdom has been around for Billions of Years……

    I think it’s much Wiser than Liberal Progressives….

  • hoepper

    The high priests of the global warming cult rejoice. They pulled the scam off just before the coming world wide cooling becomes too apparent to ignore. The elites know that it is a scam, but it is a scam that lets them siphon off more money from the masses and gives them ultimate control. The next generations will be indoctrinated about the need to follow the government dictates to avoid doom and anybody who objects will be eliminated by the believers as a threat to Mother Earth and life itself. It is a cult leader’s wet dream come true. It will make ISIL look like a tolerant group of rational and open minded fun lovers in comparison.

  • Jjj1965

    Amazing that these self appointed meteorologists can control the earths weather. Amazing.

  • JungleCogs

    Power, control and wealth redistribution will keep the Leftists (err, Marxists) busy for decades.

  • CitizensKB

    Yeah! We can give credit to Barack Obama. We can give him an award. He can put it on his mantel next to his Nobel Prize he got before taking office, because he brought about World Peace.

  • Joni Olson

    so the American taxpayer is on the world wide hook again—–what will it be next year ????

  • DemoCowardsCantAnswer!

    UMMMMMMMMMMMM, BUT……WHY is it OK for the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA to lie about “Right wing CHRISTIAN Conservatives”, but it’s not OK for me to TELL THE TRUTH about the SOCIALIST JEW MEDIA?
    ————————————————————————————————————————
    WHY doesn’t the socialist jew media call Obama an anti-Semite when he lies about Israel and Netanyahu?
    DO YOU STUPID BIGOTS REALLY THINK ALL JEWS ARE THE SAME?
    ==================================================================
    Name calling socialist jew liars and democowards never answer…….WHY DEMOCOWARDS?

  • Skeptic

    Maybe it’ll be good if Greenland melts….

    Then, White Americans can escape North………and build a New Country and Society…..

    We’ll make sure not to make the mistakes of the Past…..like Slavery……and importing Cheap Farm Labor…….

    We’ll do the Manual Labor for ourselves……control the Borders……and Immigration…..

    ….and maybe have a chance for a Prosperous Future….

  • rawheadrex

    Hope we get kisses from these eco-chondriacs because we are all certainly going to get screwed! Of course, they will protect themselves from whatever dictates they enforce on us.

  • nowaytoday

    Just a giant scam to rip the public off of their hard working money so the elitests can keep eating off of their gold lined plates. what a F’N joke.

  • pissedoffconsumer

    Plant some fucking TREES!!!!!! End of story!!

    • DavidAppell

      The world can’t plant nearly enough trees to take up the carbon the world is emitting.

    • TruthBeTold

      They don’t want trees. They want your money.

  • rawheadrex

    Pres. Obama and Al Gore can now coalesce all alternative energy sources; aeolian, geothermal, solar, etc. into one conglomerate to be called SCAMerica!

  • DavidAppell

    Of course this agreement is nowhere near a solution. But it looks like a good start.

  • Ms. Necessary Evil

    Just another liberal-tard scam to rip off the working class people.

    See Al Gore Weather/Climate Change Scammer in your dictionary~~~!

    Shalom

  • gary roman

    “‘Now that the United Nations has officially ‘solved’ man-made global warming, does this mean we never have to hear about ‘global warming’ fears again!?”—what an utterly mind-boggling stupid statement. oh, wait-it’s climate depot

  • AmericanMan2012

    This climate change movement is only for the MONEY, the greatest TAX
    movement world wide, with most of the money sticking to the greediest
    hands who will run it, and benefit from it. Sure some will go to
    undeveloped countries, but in all it will not improve our climate or our
    air.
    THERE IS PROOF THAT IT’S MONEY AND NOT FOR CONCERN OF OUR HEALTH OR CLIMATE!
    The
    only place the World Order looks to Control Climate is where they can
    monitor or force companies to monitor or produce usage figures to be
    monitored and taxed.
    This machine has not ONCE made laws, to
    decrease pollution and Carbon Emissions from a source of millions of
    polluters that can be cut off and eliminated once and for all to better
    the air , but this act of eliminating it would not get them any money
    rolling in month after month.

    THIS SOURCE OF POLLUTION, WHICH IS
    MORE DAMNING THEN COAL BURNING IS , BACKYARD GARBAGE BURNING IN BARRELS
    and in pits,and land fills, where people all over the world burn
    garbage, plastics, diapers, etc, and pollute the air.

    So the
    question is Are their intentions to really save the planet, or make
    money making everyone think their plan will change climate, and save the
    planet, and justify the need for everyone to pay more taxes to THEM,
    and trust THEM, that the money will enable them to do GOD’s work.
    AMEN!

  • rbblum

    Given the flawed western money and banking system and the natural laws of economics overwhelming the toxic policies driven by the progressive mindset, COP21 is but one huge effort to obfuscate . . . the next global war . . . aka WWIII.

  • TruthBeTold

    The only thing that matters now is that we’re going to be paying for this for generations because it will become an ‘on going battle’. They’ll use this agreement as a way to settle other future issues that are deemed a ‘threats to humanity and the planet’.

    It’s not going to stop with governments and businesses. This is going to affect where and how you live.

    Watch for calls to curb ‘suburban sprawl’ and other such measures.

    • DavidAppell

      Why do you object for paying for your pollution? If not you, who SHOULD pay for it?

  • franc1sc0

    If the world was able to implement sufficient wind and solar power generation to run everything, how many non-renewable fuel power plants would be still be needed? Answer: most of them. You see, because we need to maintain a certain level of power production 24/7/365 to keep the world running, we have to maintain those plants. The sun doesn’t always shine and the wind doesn’t always blow within the required speed parameters to reliably produce electricity.

    Now, you’re probably thinking of replying something to the effect of “Yeah, but the wind IS always blowing and the sun IS always shining somewhere.” True, however we cannot afford to install enough turbines and solar cells everywhere to have capacity to power everything. And, in any case, we have this thing called night that drops solar electric production to exactly 0% of capacity for about half of every day.

    Coal and nuclear power plants still needed for back-up power generation can not be shutdown, the nature of these plants requires a ramp-up to reach efficient generating rates, so they can’t be turned-off and then just started when needed. Meaning, in order to provide reliable back-up capabilities, they have to be left running; perhaps at lower operating levels, but running nonetheless. So, we can not get rid of these other sources of electricity and they have to be left running; how much do we then really save?

    Now add the other environmental impacts: the tons of batteries with all their caustic and poisonous components, the tons of poisonous sludge from solar cell production, the minced-up avian life from wind turbines, the land area needed for solar and wind electrical generation farms, etc. So, we reduce carbon emissions from burning fossil fuels and add toxic landfills for the by-products of “green” energy. Plants breathe CO2, and today’s levels are actually not far above the minimum levels needed to maintain them. If plants can’t breathe, they die; and if the plants die, so do we. Nothing breathes or eats toxic sludge, battery acid, lead, lithium, cadmium, silicon tetrachloride, etc. Add it all up, if we expend untold trillions on “green energy”, how much does it really benefit us?

    I am not saying that there is no benefit to solar and wind power production, it serves a supplemental role well; but that is all that it will ever be able to due to its varying production levels. And, I wanted to point-out that these “green” sources are not as green as everyone thinks. Emissions can be scrubbed, toxic waste is far harder to mitigate. The Earth and its inhabitants have seen CO2 levels more than 15 times higher than today’s levels and survived, I’m not sure how it and its denizens would weather 10 or 20 times the amount of toxins in its water and ground. Until some new miraculous power generation system is developed we will continue to have a reliance on fossil fuels, solar and wind simply can not replace it completely; unless we cut consumption dramatically. And dramatically cutting energy consumption will be no better for humanity than the situation we have today, because our life saving medical sciences, communications, advanced construction materials, food production and transport all rely very heavily on energy availability.

    • DavidAppell

      Nuclear. Smart grids. WInd turbines generatng at night. Improved energy efficiency.

      • franc1sc0

        Sure, just be sure to put the nuclear plants in your state and not mine. 😉 But seriously, that does not mitigate the toxic pollution from batteries if we were to switch our transportation systems to all electric. So, I don’t see this comment as a refutation of the overall point of my comment.

        • DavidAppell

          Nuclear power is the safest form of power ever devised.

    • DavidAppell

      “The Earth and its inhabitants have seen CO2 levels more than 15 times higher than today’s levels and survived…”

      Obviously. But it isn’t a question of surviving, it’s question of adapting. We’re now warming 30 times faster than when the world left its last ice age 25,000 yrs ago. That’s very fast warming.

      • franc1sc0

        Peak interglacial period warming has historically been dramatic, look at pleistocene era warming periods. I think saying that we are warming faster than only the last ice age is of little value to prove there is a problem, when we have many other cycles with which to compare.

        • DavidAppell

          Name me one — just one — period when historical warming increased as fast as today’s warming of about 0.15-0.20 C/decade.

  • Rex Savage

    This one of the most oppressive control grabs ever contrived. All the actual facts indicate no need to address anything regarding the trace amounts of carbon dioxide we all exhale or release elsewhere. Absolute BS! Scientists–actual scientists can’t publish papers or speak out with contrary facts. Anyone who believes we are in “climate crisis” or even close to anything out of the norm for climate, is a f’ing idiot. Meanwhile, the same people who steal a fortune from taxpayers, just found a new piggy bank to raid.

  • ounceoflogic

    The beauty of the movement is that the Climate will ALWAYS change… it can never, ever be solved. But solving this manufactured non-catastrophe was never the goal. Many think that the goal is to level the playing field… to bring Western Civilization and Civilization itself down… to reinforce the dependency of half the world on the other half. But even that is untrue. The movement is neither a religion nor a science, it is a political-social scam which will line the pockets of the Progressive movers and shakers and nothing else. They know that this scam, taken to its logical conclusion, will destroy civilization. Perhaps they simply don’t care about 50 or 100 years from now… or perhaps they know that, at some point (after they have stolen all the money from the West without redistributing anything but suffering) the world will wake out of this silly trance and find a way to rebuild. Progressives haven’t really thought this out… they will kill the golden goose for short term, personal reward and, like all socialist systems, it will consume itself. The world has become a very unfamiliar place.

  • SpookyAttraction

    Astounding …. how many buy into this marxist crap.

    • DavidAppell

      The Marxism goes the other way: From each according to their smokestack, to each according to their lungs.

      • SpookyAttraction

        Hold your breath then.

        • DavidAppell

          Can’t. (And breathing is carbon neutral, but not neutral to other pollutants.)

        • DavidAppell

          Breathing is carbon neutral.

  • Joe_E_in_the_IE

    No big thang. The inevitable worldwide economic depression and pandemic unemployment in industrialized nations can always be blamed on Big Bad Corporate Greed.

  • Bill Lonergan

    As long as these “scientists” are being paid, I assure you global warming, climate change, global cooling, radon, alor poisoning, will remain with us. If their funding was shut off, it would all disappear.

    • Mack Enchesee

      Exactly correct.

    • LibertyWriter

      Screw the damn scientists, its the U,N. I’m after.

  • Darth Awesome

    Will the trillions of dollars extorted from western civilization & subjugation of the world’s populace be enough to wage war on the Sun?

  • Mack Enchesee

    Forget it. These progressives are never going to stop using this scam to separate us from our money and draw power into central government they can manipulate. The single greatest hoax of all time. Right in there with the naive assumption of leading man to paradise via the glory of Marxism and collectivism.

  • dbt3481

    Not until next month when they decide they need to implement phase 1.2 of global marxism..

    Rinse, repeat…

  • AntiBanshee

    I wish.

  • John Robinson

    This whole thing is sickening. The pandering. The fearmongering. The self-flaggelation. The outright socialist power grab.

    The worst part IS the money: all of these extortions that will have to be paid by the “rich” countries, to develop green fantasy energy for the poor countries, are NOT going as payments directly to the country that “benefits”. They are getting rolled into giant derivative hedgefunds like Fannie Mae, dedicated to “green energy investment”. All of this investment will act just like the Fannie Mae ponzi scheme…but it will have regular infusions of cash from the west. (What you thought this was a one-time payment?) And by the time the final cash actually gets sent to “green energy projects” in all these third world countries…guess who will be running the companies that will be getting the work? the same “investors” who run them. Just like all the failed green energy companies in the US, they will all have obama donors and other crony socialists on their boards. They will get cash coming AND going.

    This is a crony-socialist ponzi scheme of epic proportions. TRILLIONS will be passed along to anyone connected to this fraud. It boggles my mind why even the average person cannot see this clearly by now.

    • LibertyWriter

      Running headlong into the abyss…and it aint climate change.

    • pilgrimsjog

      Global warming/climate change is a prime example of Progressive wealth creation and wealth transfer from the economy to the global political class. This is advanced when Progressive academics and so-called scientists, who embrace the moral relativism of the Post-modernist world-view, become joined and become the public policy tool of Progressive political Statist, who truly believe that they are never wrong. When this took place, which we are watching now, a Justified True Belief, which the Modernist world-view defines as Knowledge, to the Post-Modernist scientists, Truth becomes relative and Truth becomes the flexible tool of the political-class, where Post-modernist scientists merely have to generate biased data to meet the scripted needs of their Progressive-Statist taskmasters, who pay their Progressive scientists millions in research funds to generate biased data to use while writing the latest Progressive social engineering public policy, which the wives, sons, daughters, relatives of Progressive-Statist will use to form businesses to be paid to guide companies, “to grease their wheels” to “make the right phone calls to the right people in government” getting the companies through the mountain of regulations of Progressive social engineering laws.

      Do you see how Progressive social masterminds get rich in the Post-Modernist era? The Clinton’s, Al Gore, and Joe Biden’s with his connected wife and children, and Barack Obama who will become the first ex-president billionaire, are excellent case studies of Progressive crony capitalism.

      • John Robinson

        It’s how socialists operate; they always abuse science for their own ends. The NAZI regime had many scientists, and many peer-reviewed papers “proving” the superiority of the Aryan race. We saw how that worked out.

    • Oaksford

      This chapter is finished.
      This fraud is designed to forge our chains. For the economic collapse is upon us. For there is no “money”. There is the good faith and credit of the world bankers (what does your paper say?: Federal Reserve Note – a private bank owns that currency, you don’t) now worldwide. The poop is already flying at the fan.
      What are they to do with the angry “little people”?
      Yet God has given us the keys to this conundrum, to see our old enemy clearly.

      • jmoke

        Yep, but clearly 97% of the people in America don’t know or understand that.

  • Shears-of-Atropos

    As I posted earlier:

    “Whenever our Democrats pass something that limits individual liberties, within 24 hours some D-bigwig like Pelosi will announce that “It is a good first step”, and blame the Republicans for obstructionism”

    Didn’t take long. Bernie has already gone on TV complaining that the agreement “didn’t go far enough!”

    So, Bernie, when is it “Enough”? Yeah. that’s what I thought… never.

    .

  • dabba